Our beloved Russia is Falling, Yikes
POSTED BY: THGRRI
UPDATED: Monday, January 12, 2015 17:34
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Nope, sorry, you out moron us by miles - and you make it look so easy too. Every time you post these same numbers about the US... (I'm typing in caps because I hope that these points will stick this time) I AGREE WITH YOUR SORRY STUPID ASS. Try reading MY posts once in a while. And you forgot to add how much I hate US Health Care, how bad our Senior Care is... I'd go on but YOU WON'T READ IT, SO WHY BOTHER??
DO YOU FINALLY GET THAT, MOTHER-OF-ALL DUMB FUCKS???
Well, at least a response that means something!
All I get out of your posts, G, is that you hate Russia generally and Putin specifically. EVERYthing that Russia does, is THE WORST, even if it's not as bad as Saudi Arabia or Mexico or the USA.
Take any metric you want, ANY metric-
level of corruption
healthcare
LGBT oppression
military interventions
- and you'll find some way to post about Russia negatively, although on an OBJECTIVE scale Russia's not all that bad when compared to other nations.
You want to talk about corruption? What about Greece, Mexico, Italy, and Saudi Arabia? There, they've taken corruption to a whole new level. (BTW, in westerners' experience with Putin, when he was in St Petersburg as a low-level functionary, he was the one official who did NOT take bribes. Westerners who worked with him then really remarked on it. He understands that corruption is a real problem in Russia, just as Xi Jingping does. When you see functionaries fleeing Russia, as you're currently party officials feeling China, you'll know that he's sweeping house.)
You want to talk about LGBT oppression? How about Saudi Arabia specifically, our stalwart ally? You can throw in most Islamic states in there too.
You want to talk about oppression of foreigners? I can think of nothing more disgusting that Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Not only do they have them economically blockaded, forced them out of their homes, taken their land, and harassed them on the land they have left
ever few years, they shoot at them like fish in a barrel.
Yanno, I DO feel for the Russian people, but the problems that the Russian people have with their government ... that's for THEM to solve.
AFA eastern and southern Ukraine is concerned, the best solution would be to hold a referendum ... after months of preparation, discussion, and negotiation to sharpen the options available and educate everyone on the topic ... and then do whatever the people have decided. Russia doesn't want eastern and southern Ukraine. It doesn't. It makes no economic or military sense for Russia's future.
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Quote:MAL4, I'm reacting the way I am because Russia is a created enemy. Its' not a threat to us, it never wanted to be. Russia tried to fit in to the western world, did the whole economic "shock therapy" treatment which plunged the nation into such economic havoc that the lifespan actually dropped ten years. And even then, it played along, and tried to become a reliable economic partner. Heck, they even asked to be part of NATO.
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Typical. Sig can not discuss Russia and Russia alone. Every thread has to turn into a dump on the US and Europe and whoever is the enemy of Russia, as if the very well-known flaws of the western world excuse any and all of the insane bullshit the Russian government does. Like a RWA brain, she is incapable of staring straight at the authority she worships. Her brain deflects, every time.
And because the non blind here are able to discuss the flaws of one system without the constant deflections, she invents this idea that we all worship western govts. Like rappy, she cannot understand what it is to live in a non-RWA brain. We can stay on one topic, where she can't fathom it. Unless we worship like she does.
I read an article about something oddly related, about how people ruled by emotion can't dispassionately discuss hot topics, while logical brains can go there without being freaked. I've yet to see the sig brain focus purely on Russia and its flaws without going directly to: "oh yeah, well the US / Ukraine does THIS...."
Never mind that this site is full of threads where every one of us air our grievances at the fcukedupedness of the US govt and economy with nary a mention of Mother Russia....
All I'm seeing is just like the great buildup to ANY war that the USA has decided on: hammer on some nation relentlessly. Harp on their internal failings. Accuse them of being oppressors. Accuse them of some heinous acts. Shift the goalposts. Run unflattering pictures of the most recognizable leader. Present them as some sort of urgent danger. Keep drumming on that for as long as it takes to get "the people" behind you.
It's just like Iraq playbook. Saddam was a tyrant. He was a threat to his neighbors. He tried to buy yellowcake. He was developing missiles. He bought centrifuge tubes. He was training jihadists. He had WMD programs... heck, we didn't KNOW what kind but chemical! Nuclear! Biological! Look! Look at these pictures!
He could have avoided war, if only he let in the UN Inspectors. ... oh, into his palaces ... and with free rein, no pre-notification of inspection targets. He DID all that, but in the end, it was our bombs that drove out the inspectors (UNMOVIC).
We tried the same thing, chapter and verse, with Assad. We did the same thing with Libya. Panama: pineapple face Noriega, tyrant, and drug runner. The bigger the target, the more the wind-up.
So I was here, arguing against all of the hype about Iraq. It's not because I loved Saddam, but it was clear that we were all being drowned in propaganda, being stampeded into war.
I'm just trying to bring some reality to the situation, and clearly failing. But how many times do we have to get fooled before we realize WHEN we're getting fooled?
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And again sig, you avoid the topic. Not capable of discussing Russia without the lens of blaming the US.
It's very 1984. The book. People give in to authority when they have a convenient enemy of that authority to fear and blame, so they always have the out: "but but but that other baaaaad group have done this and that!" And so the deniers keep their focus elsewhere and never have address the naked truth of whatever it is they must deny.
And no, I don't deny what is bad about western govts and the US in particular, but this thread is not about the US. Shame you can't give up the filter sig. I used to think you had a useful brain. And you do, on other topics. But certainly not this. You've made that abundantly clear.
I do wonder what it is that ties you up in knots about Russia, but I don't expect to ever know. I don't think you'll ever know yourself. That filter is too strong.
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MAL4PREZ got it right SIGNYM. Once again you offer a defense of Russia while blaming the U.S..No one here started attacking Russia, they just started speaking to what is going on over there. You and 1kiki have presented nothing but lies and propaganda in response and created the atmosphere we have today.
You on the other hand have been attacking the west long before the Ukraine reared it's ugly head. Holding the west libel for all the worlds woes is a staple in your diet.
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MAL4, I'm reacting the way I am because Russia is a created enemy. Its' not a threat to us, it never wanted to be.
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