Minimum Wage
POSTED BY: Trixy
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 22:48
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Know well enough the use of the term, but that doesn't make it any more valid or legit.
It's like saying 'jobs saved or created '. It's nothing but the puppet theatre, to appease a witless population.
Seems to be working .
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Minimum wage increases won't fix anything because the added cost will be put on the consumer. Period.
Prices on necessities like FOOD have already been climbing at a rate far surpassing inflation, let alone wage increases.
The only thing you do by raising the minimum wage to 20 bucks is screw the guy making 24 bucks an hour when the minimum wage is 8.
He won't even see a nickel increase out of it.
2 days ago, he was making 16 bucks more than minimum wage with all that college education he got. Now he's only making 4 bucks more than a fry cook.....
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AURapture is right again. There is an article about wages in Denmark at McDonalds. $20 per hour minimum wage does reduce employment opportunities as a fry cook. www.vox.com/2014/10/28/7083475/denmark-fast-food-wages
Mandating high wages for fast food workers had the impact in Denmark you would expect — low levels of fast food employment. The relevant question for the United States then becomes what would we have people do if half the fast food restaurants shut down?
Denmark proves that this is not an unanswerable question. There is something that they are doing (something AURapture could not care less about knowing because government would be doing it) in terms of education, training, active labor market policy, and regulation that is allowing Denmark to maintain a low level of unemployment without reliance on low-wage fast food jobs as we see in the United States. But that's the secret sauce, not the high minimum wage for fast food workers.
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Fast Food Worker Salary (United States)
The average rate for a Fast Food Worker is $7.73 per hour. Pay for this job does not change much between less experienced and more experienced workers. People in this job generally don't have more than 10 years' experience.
Who two, is talking about $20.00 an hour? Were talking about raising the minimum wage, not giving them the same wages as say, machinists. They want $15.00 an hour at fast food restaurants but it doesn't mean their isn't a middle ground. The less they make, means more comes out of your taxes to pay for what they cannot.
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You have not mentioned the primary reason Democrats are always pushing for higher minimum wage. Are you ignorant of it? Or are you hiding, hoping nobody brings it up? Are you really with the Unions?
So, your logic is, that democrats solely push for minimum raise wages because of unions and not because of the various economic impacts that minimum wage being so far behind has?
Sounds like you are saying the answer is NO, you do not know the primary reason. Have I translated correctly?
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. - Minimum wage absolutely needs to be raised. It is so far behind inflation that it is actually hurting the economy. Our congressmen have this weird idea that only the youth work for minimum wage establishments. This is hardly the case, the average age of a fast food employee is 28!
Welcome, but on this matter I'm gonna have to disagree with you. Raising the min wage benefits more union employees than it does entry level folk . It's a starting point. Anyone @ 38 who still is getting only min wage prolly deserves it.
Union Employees? What the hell are you talking about?
Minimum wage is a wide scale federal standard. It wouldn't just apply to those you seem to label as "union". The gap between minimum wage and the rise in prices for goods (inflation adjusted) has grown out of control since 1980. The differential is nearing $2, which is a crime given the economic situation we are in. I can tell you are the conservative type- so here is something that should get through to you- in not raising minimum wage we are drastically increasing the demand for welfare and unemployment benefits, as in many cases you can make more money off of those then you can a starting position job.
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Moreover, just because someone has taken a sub-optimal career path doesn't mean they don't deserve the opportunity to earn a reasonable wage. It isn't like we are talking about forcing mom and pop shops to close up here. I am refering to the travesties that exist in employers such as Walmart, McDonalds, and other corporations in which employees make a cent for every dollar they make for the company...
Did you notice that the steepest portion of the inflation curve follows the steepest portion of the minimum wage curve?
Did you notice that the flattest portion of the inflation curve follows the steepest portion of the minimum wage curve?
You are shooting yourself in the foot.
Can you specify which thread this was from?
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Do you acknowledge that flipping burgers and spitting in them while drunk and stoned beyond belief and yakking constantly on your phone during only the hours that you choose and on the days you can pry yourself off the couch is not quite the same as work during odd hours, in inclement conditions, maintaining a high safety awareness, using highly logical and reasoning abilities, and actually solving a problem without immediate supervision and without wasting money, material, time, or customer/client resources, for up to 20 hours per day or 120 hours per week? People who work minimum wage and are better than their pay get promoted, while those who are not worth what they're paid often do not get promoted. People who work for tips usually earn what they are worth, on the tip side. I have seen many people get hired away because somebody saw them working beneath what they were worth, and if the current employer isn't paying somebody enough, the free market will alleviate that employer of their best worker.
Where I come from if you flip burgers while stoned or drunk or talking on your phone, you'd get the sack. People who are employed are expected to work to standards.
I envy you. And so does my stomach.
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Bah, fuck you.
Here is the simple, awful truth.
Productivity has skyrocketed,
Cost of living has skyrocketed.
Wages have remained flat, or even declined.
Morally, this is theft.
Period.
-F
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Fast Food Worker Salary (United States)
The average rate for a Fast Food Worker is $7.73 per hour. Pay for this job does not change much between less experienced and more experienced workers. People in this job generally don't have more than 10 years' experience.
Who two, is talking about $20.00 an hour? Were talking about raising the minimum wage, not giving them the same wages as say, machinists. They want $15.00 an hour at fast food restaurants but it doesn't mean their isn't a middle ground. The less they make, means more comes out of your taxes to pay for what they cannot.
An excellent point. Basically the US taxpayer is subsidising big businesses who pay shit wages because the shortfall is made up via welfare.
Minimum wage, despite what some of the idiots on this board seem to think, doesn't apply to highly paid professionals - it's a livable base for the workers who earn the least. The concept is you should be paid a livable wage for the work you do.
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