Minimum Wage
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Minimum wage, - it's a livable base for the workers who earn the least. The concept is you should be paid a livable wage for the work you do.
You are warping the definition of minimum.
Minimum, for most reasonable people, means the least, the bottom limit.
What should you call the wage which is below that sustainable for living, the wage for high-schoolers or those living in commune, with little monetary needs and equally little desire to work? Historically in America that has been called minimum wage. Those who want to earn more than minimum wage learn, get experience, training, education, certifications, licenses, and get a higher paying job.
Are you saying your country has a special definition for minimum wage? Is that the name you use for what we call welfare, government subsistence?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You are warping the definition of minimum.
Minimum, for most reasonable people, means the least, the bottom limit.
What should you call the wage which is below that sustainable for living, the wage for high-schoolers or those living in commune, with little monetary needs and equally little desire to work? Historically in America that has been called minimum wage. Those who want to earn more than minimum wage learn, get experience, training, education, certifications, licenses, and get a higher paying job.
Are you saying your country has a special definition for minimum wage? Is that the name you use for what we call welfare, government subsistence?
I'm not sure why you can't understand that a minimum wage does not prevent people from moving into higher income stream. It is, as you say, what you earn if you are the least skilled.
The minimum wage sets the bottom rung of what employers can pay anyone. This does not include welfare, which is what you get when are jobseeking but not working, a single parent who is caring for young children, or disabled.
Different professions are covered by different pay awards, which means that minimum pay varies between industries. There is however, a basic minimum wage. A number of basic conditions are set out in legislation called the Fair Work Act which include pay rates, but a number of other conditions as well.
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I know why.
Its kuz he wants to believ the world iz simple and unchanjing. That an eazy formula will alwayz work. This iz wut the welthy depend on to maintain control over the massez.
At least they did.
Now, since the world iz not unchanjing, they dont really care too much wut the massez believ bekuz they hav enuf power to defend themselvez frum almost any number uv people IF they dont push them too hard.
People get used to wut they hav. So, even if they know sumwun els haz 1,000,000,000 timez az much, they usually dont care enuf to do sumthing drastic to get a bigger share.
I herd a little report on the newz last nite that the top 85 billionairez in the world hav more wealth than the bottom 3.5 billion - thats haf the population.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You are warping the definition of minimum.
Minimum, for most reasonable people, means the least, the bottom limit.
What should you call the wage which is below that sustainable for living, the wage for high-schoolers or those living in commune, with little monetary needs and equally little desire to work? Historically in America that has been called minimum wage. Those who want to earn more than minimum wage learn, get experience, training, education, certifications, licenses, and get a higher paying job.
Are you saying your country has a special definition for minimum wage? Is that the name you use for what we call welfare, government subsistence?
I'm not sure why you can't understand that a minimum wage does not prevent people from moving into higher income stream. It is, as you say, what you earn if you are the least skilled.
The minimum wage sets the bottom rung of what employers can pay anyone. This does not include welfare, which is what you get when are jobseeking but not working, a single parent who is caring for young children, or disabled.
Different professions are covered by different pay awards, which means that minimum pay varies between industries. There is however, a basic minimum wage. A number of basic conditions are set out in legislation called the Fair Work Act which include pay rates, but a number of other conditions as well.
Interesting. Some confusion arises when discussing American minimum wage then, because your minimum wage differs. Yours has a career minimum wage, a profession minimum wage. In America, the minimum wage is that which is broad-based, non-career wage, non-specified for each profession. Minimum wage here is NOT FOR professions, or professionals, it is for those not pursuing a profession, not interested in remaining in a profession, for the in-between jobs, the part-time jobs, the "starter" jobs.
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Bah, fuck you.
Here is the simple, awful truth.
Productivity has skyrocketed,
Cost of living has skyrocketed.
everybody already knew that would happen under Obamanomics.
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Wages have remained flat, or even declined.
everybody already knew that was a natural consequence of Obamanomics. Par.
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Morally, this is theft.
everybody already knew that was the objective of Obamanomics. Par.
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Period.
like keeping your health care? or your Doctor? or your job?
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-F
What reference are you using that productivity has skyrocketed?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Interesting. Some confusion arises when discussing American minimum wage then, because your minimum wage differs. Yours has a career minimum wage, a profession minimum wage. In America, the minimum wage is that which is broad-based, non-career wage, non-specified for each profession. Minimum wage here is NOT FOR professions, or professionals, it is for those not pursuing a profession, not interested in remaining in a profession, for the in-between jobs, the part-time jobs, the "starter" jobs.
Yes, the minimum wage applies there as well. Minimum wage applies to starter jobs, to non professional jobs. Dishwashers, cleaners, burger flippers etc
http://www.smh.com.au/national/minimum-wage-up-3-per-cent-rise-of-1870
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Obamanomics? Iz that wuts bouncing off the wallz in the eko chamber now?
Are you a recently arrived martian immigrant?
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Yeah, tell me about it.
SGG
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
No thanks. I'm semi-retired now. Another year or two and I'll be totally out of the rat race. Gonna ride my old Schwinn bike and smell the flowers. It'll be glorious.
As you were.
We are the sum of our own choices.
Too few want to admit that basic truth.
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There must be something wrong with me because, I agree 100% with your statement, will wonders never cease!
Trouble is that these huge corporations, and the people who run them, want to keep their club very exclusive. Millionaires, over the last 2 decades, were popping up at an alarming rate, in some pretty diverse areas (of which certain people had no control). And if there's one thing Old Money loves is to control things.
Little do the narrow-minded realize that keeping the playing field level stimulates the economy and perpetuates the capitalistic machine. It keeps greasing the wheels.
How the fuck do these assholes think they got rich in the first place?; by the mass majority of people having money to spend. If Joe Schmoe has no money to spend, etc.
Of course, I've heard that may very well be the plan, to develop a type of slave culture. It sounds rather dark, but greed is out there tempting folks to do nasty things.
God knows I've had my share of jobs - from low to medium income - despite a good education (long story). I've been downsized, folded, spindled and mutilated. So I don't need a lecture on "In-my-day politics" anyone here, I suppose, works for a living at varying degrees. We've all been through it in some form, besides I go by the saying my mother would always say to me - all work is honorable. But wouldn't it make more sense if Tom, Dick and Harry could live in a house - one where you would have to buy, Oh! I don't know, furniture, fertilizer, air conditioners, curtains, toilets, etc. The more people have money, the more the greedy creeps in the suits would have to play with (literally play with).
Like you said, if I have to pay a dime more for a hamburger, so what. If Exxon makes a billion dollars less in a quarter, so what! How much is enough? Do you need to step on my throat for a few pennies more? We shouldn't be begging for a decent way to live. Do you want to know how screwed up our society is - a school janitor often times makes more money than even the principal of a school, much more than a teacher (for sure). How fucked up is that? Nothing against the janitor, but how important is our kids education. Isn't a teacher important in the grand scheme of things. A baseball player makes millions for hitting a little ball, and our teachers - who influence our kids - get peanuts in comparison. This is some system!
SGG
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Having had to work 3 part time jobs AFTER COLLEGE for a time, it's not that I don't value min wage workers, its that people get the false impression that the 'min wage' is suppose to be permanent or long term. It's for entry level employees. And if you find yourself in a situation where you can't get a raise, or more hours, you prolly should get a 2nd job. Or a 3rd. It's not up to every business to bring new people on and pay them top $, from day 1. The employees have to prove their worth - TO THE COMPANY - or be replaced.
Don't like that scenario ? There are options. Make better grades. Choose a field which pays well. Get recruited by big time companies. Start your OWN business.
We interact with minimum wage earners all the time, and then we get pissed when the service sucks. I say pay the people well and everyone will be better off. If my burger costs a dime more, so what. If Shell and Mobil only make $39 billion a quarter in profit instead of $40 billion, so what.
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When the new Congress starts in January they ought to make a deal with Obama, trading a reasonable minimum wage increase for Keystone Pipeline approval. That's a good way to start 2015.
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