Is anyone else still slightly creeped out by the Japanese?

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:17 AM

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And since NA is my home and I am an American Indian, I can't count how many times I have heard, "That's all in the past and you have to move on" Ugh!

I am curious of your viewpoint, which I ask when I find Native Americans who seem to understand things.

Can you agree that certain Given situations existed:
1. Native American Tribes/Nations were effectively slaughtering each other, exterminating whole societies, prior to White Men showing up. That is, Whites were not instrumental or inventive in introducing this to the realities of the Tribal life.
2. Native Americans did not have words or understandings of "land" or "land ownership" or even clear language for any "ownership" as the Whites assumed they did.
3. Native Americans lack of written history, unfamiliarity with the concepts and pitfalls of written history. (I'm not sure if there were any Tribes which had written history, or a written language, prior to introduction by Whites)

I'll take a stab at answering you.But you must remember that though I think of myself as an American Indian, I must state that I am not pure blood.
I meet few pure bloods anymore, even multi-Nation Pure Native.

I've known a few pure bloods up here and some people like me, mixed-blood.
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My understandings have come from my family and looking at the history critically.
1. There was fighting here amongst the tribes but not complete destruction of tribes to my knowledge. The White Man did however introduce scalping to America.

Are you disputing that entire Tribes/Nations/Races were wiped out by other Tribes prior to 1492?

No. I can't dispute that or the fact that slaves were taken in the fighting. Though to my understanding the slaves could win or were eventually adopted into the tribe that took them.
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2. We knew the land as we lived on it but "land ownership" was not known to us. Tribes had territories that they moved around for hunting purposes especially when you speak of the prairie tribes like the Dakota, Cheyenne and such.

Did they not also move to avoid certain other warring Tribe?

Yes, that happened as well.
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3. Most histories were oral and they said we have been here since the
beginning of time. Time for us meant the movement of the seasons and days. Not hours, minutes and seconds. History meant births, deaths and maybe major battles, like the Little Big Horn. There are petroglyphs scattered around North America where certain are carved in stone. Though the meanings have been lost to time.

Yes, and this lack of experience with the pitfalls of written language left them at disadvantage. Like a modern day layman (Native) signing a contract with a lawyer (White Man).

It did.
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Do you feel most of the poor relations and/or atrocities between White Men and Native Americans were do to:
1. Evil White Men - solely, or almost exclusively this.
2. Very poor communications between Whites and Natives.
3. Religious missionary work.
4. An overwhelming mountain of new information, technology, concepts, languages, threats, combining to hamper the adequate response or discussion among the Native Tribes.

1.This is a hard one to deal with. I would love to say yes it was all the White Man's fault, my rational side won't let me.

Thank you. I did suspect you to be worthy of entering discussion with.

I'm not sure if I should appreciate this remark or be insulted. You see I feel that at times I have to see both sides of the picture because of my family's history. Though I fe

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, October 17, 2014 3:46 AM

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Sort of off topic: I love Toronto.

Carry on.

I've never been to Toronto. So I know nothing about the city except what I have read and seen on tv.

I learned from Canadian Bacon that Toronto is the Capitol of Canada.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, October 19, 2014 3:50 AM

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Sort of off topic: I love Toronto.

Carry on.

I've never been to Toronto. So I know nothing about the city except what I have read and seen on tv.

I learned from Canadian Bacon that Toronto is the Capitol of Canada.

Okay, first off Toronto likes to think it is the capitol of Canada but it's not. That distinction falls to Ottawa. Same province of Ontario but that's all.

If you have not seen Canadian Bacon, you should.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:31 AM

It needed to be done. Surprised it wasn't done already.

You're welcome.

KPO

Sunday, October 19, 2014 6:28 PM

More on Japanese internment of Western civilians during the war: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29665232

A useful comparison for those tempted by moral equivalence with regards to the internment of Japanese Americans.

It's not personal. It's just war.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, October 19, 2014 7:20 PM

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More on Japanese internment of Western civilians during the war: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29665232

A useful comparison for those tempted by moral equivalence with regards to the internment of Japanese Americans.

One of the under taught ( ignored ) parts of WW2 history. I knew of " some " folks who found themselves in camps, but had no idea it was so wide spread.

KPO

Monday, October 20, 2014 1:33 AM

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More on Japanese internment of Western civilians during the war: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29665232

A useful comparison for those tempted by moral equivalence with regards to the internment of Japanese Americans.

One of the under taught ( ignored ) parts of WW2 history. I knew of " some " folks who found themselves in camps, but had no idea it was so wide spread.

Especially in Japan...

It's not personal. It's just war.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, October 20, 2014 2:36 AM

if you are interested in that part of history, I can recommend a couple of films -

Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085933/
Paradise Road http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119859/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
The Railway Man http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2058107/?ref_=nv_sr_1
A Town Like Alice http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049871/?ref_=nv_sr_1

I love A Town Called Alice, such a beautiful poignant film - an early look at how war changes people when such things were usually not acknowledged.

I am assuming that this part of history is more well known here, from some of your comments.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, October 20, 2014 2:49 AM

I hope not too many are downplaying the treason committed by "Japanese-Americans" against the United States, and for Imperial Japan.
Which was why the internment camps were established, to isolate potential traitors. Unfortunately, there were no Democrat camps to isolate the Democrat traitors.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, October 20, 2014 2:56 AM

You're a bit of a 'one idea only' fella, aren't you?

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