CLIMATE MCCARTHYISM

POSTED BY: AURaptor
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AURAPTOR

Monday, August 18, 2014 5:38 PM

...claims another victim.

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Climate McCarthyism has claimed another victim. Dr Caleb Rossiter - an adjunct professor at American University, Washington DC - has been fired by a progressive think tank after publicly expressing doubt about man-made global warming.

Rossiter, a former Democratic congressional candidate, has impeccably liberal credentials. As the founder of Demilitarization for Democracy he has campaigned against US backed wars in Central America and Southern Africa, against US military support for dictators and against anti-personnel landmines. But none of this was enough to spare him the wrath of the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) when he wrote an OpEd in the Wall Street Journal describing man-made global warming as an "unproved science."

Two days later, he was sacked by email. The IPS said: "We would like to inform you that we are terminating your position as an Associate Fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies...Unfortunately, we now feel that your views on key issues, including climate science, climate justice, and many aspects of US policy to Africa, diverge so significantly from ours."

In the WSJ OpEd entitled Sacrificing Africa for Climate Change, Rossiter argued that Africans should benefit from the same mixed energy policy as Americans rather than being denied access to fossil fuels on spurious environmental grounds by green activists. He wrote: "The left wants to stop industrialization - even if the hypothesis of catastrophic, man-made global warming is false."

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/13/Climate-McCarthyi
sm-claims-yet-another-victim

Former Democrat congressional candidate.

Thinks Africa should benefit from the same cheap energy which helped more advanced nations elevate their standard of living.

( Just for those keeping score at home. )

ELVISCHRIST

Monday, August 18, 2014 7:28 PM

So you're NOT in favor of free markets and at-will employment?

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 18, 2014 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

So you're NOT in favor of free markets and at-will employment?

Modern day denial of service of blacks @ the lunch counter. You were cool with the good ole days, huh?

SIGNYM

Monday, August 18, 2014 8:12 PM

Rappy, if the shoe were on the other foot... if someone had been fired BECAUSE OF their activism to prevent GW, you'd be all happy about it. Your ethics are extremely convenient. Please don't think that any of us believe that you have an interest in scientific integrity or freedom of speech.

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 18, 2014 8:31 PM

Creation science would be an apt analogy. Teaching the bible / Torah / Quran as scientific fact. But writing an opinion piece which is skeptical ,of AGW , is different. And by more than a little.

STORYMARK

Monday, August 18, 2014 9:03 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Creation science would be an apt analogy. Teaching the bible / Torah / Quran as scientific fact.

No, see, son, this is teaching science as science.

Your persecution complex is fuckin' adorable, though.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 18, 2014 9:06 PM

It's not a complex. It's real bigotry & it's flat out wrong.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Monday, August 18, 2014 9:26 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not a complex. It's real bigotry & it's flat out wrong.

Hey, I just talked to my pal Luigi. He thought the "real bigotry" was "onne uh dose, whatchacallem, redwoods."

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 18, 2014 9:44 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not a complex. It's real bigotry & it's flat out wrong.

Hey, I just talked to my pal Luigi. He thought the "real bigotry" was "onne uh dose, whatchacallem, redwoods."

And this is what passes off as the " intelligent " side of the debate.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not a complex. It's real bigotry & it's flat out wrong.

Teaching science is bigotry....

A white guy, saying his refusal to acknowledge overwhelming evidence... is the same as discrimination against blacks...

I am amazed that after all this time, you always manage to top the last utterly idiotic thing you said with something even dumber.

Thankfully, with your disposition, I doubt you'll ever breed and spread your inanity to the next generation.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

STORYMARK

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:20 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not a complex. It's real bigotry & it's flat out wrong.

Hey, I just talked to my pal Luigi. He thought the "real bigotry" was "onne uh dose, whatchacallem, redwoods."

And this is what passes off as the " intelligent " side of the debate.

When you other side has nothing but "Nuh-uh, science is religion, nyah!" one need not try hard to leap WAY over you dumb motherfuckers.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 7:17 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not a complex. It's real bigotry & it's flat out wrong.

Teaching science is bigotry....

Getting fired for teaching science = bigotry.

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A white guy, saying his refusal to acknowledge overwhelming evidence... is the same as discrimination against blacks...

Discrimination is discrimination. Period.

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I am amazed that after all this time, you always manage to top the last utterly idiotic thing you said with something even dumber.

Which only makes YOU on par w/ a Grand Dragon ,decked out in your pointy headed finest.

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Thankfully, with your disposition, I doubt you'll ever breed and spread your inanity to the next generation.

Sister, they don't know what to do w/ just one of me !

HA !

ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:50 AM

If NASA found out that one of its scientists in charge of orbital engineering was actually a flat-earther, should they be allowed to get rid of him?

If a catholic priest stood up in church and declared from the altar that he did not believe in god, should the curch be able to give him the heave-ho?

If a general said before the invasion of Iraq that we'd need far greater numbers of troops than we were prepared to send, should he be able to be fired for his opinion?

ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:57 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Thankfully, with your disposition, I doubt you'll ever breed and spread your inanity to the next generation.

Ponder this reality: Charlie Manson just got married, and the raptard can't even get a date. Says a lot about how fucked up he is, doesn't it?

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:38 AM

So, because AGW isn't real, you feel the need to insult those you'll never meet over the internet.

Where's that get fun ?

And what difference to you does it matter if I join your lame ass cult or not ?

ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:46 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
If NASA found out that one of its scientists in charge of orbital engineering was actually a flat-earther, should they be allowed to get rid of him?

If a catholic priest stood up in church and declared from the altar that he did not believe in god, should the curch be able to give him the heave-ho?

If a general said before the invasion of Iraq that we'd need far greater numbers of troops than we were prepared to send, should he be able to be fired for his opinion?

So... no answers?

And science is a "cult" now?

ELVISCHRIST

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:50 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, because AGW isn't real, you feel the need to insult those you'll never meet over the internet.

Are you trying to say you've never insulted someone you'll never meet?

If you're insulted because I think you're a despicable waste of oxygen, then good for you. Be insulted, by all means. But it doesn't make what I said any less true.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:56 AM

Junk science with the intent of politicizing is a cult, yes.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:58 AM

You tried to insult those who don't join your cult. I'm not insulted, I think you sad & pathetic, but that's a you problem.
Nothing you say has an iota of truth to it. You're a troll.

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:31 PM

Groups Accuse EPA of Muzzling Science Advisers

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2014/08/groups-accuse-epa-muzz
ling-science-advisers

This week, journalist and scientific organizations accused the Environmental Protection Agency of attempting to muzzle its independent scientific advisers by directing them to funnel all outside requests for information through agency officials.

In a letter, groups representing journalists and scientists urged the EPA to allow advisory board members to talk directly to news reporters, Congress and other outside groups without first asking for permission from EPA officials. An April memo from the EPA's chief of staff said that "unsolicited contacts" need to be "appropriately managed" and that committee members should refrain from directly responding to requests about committees' efforts to advise the agency.

The scientific advisory board's office had asked the EPA to clarify the communications policy for board members, who are government employees.

"The new policy only reinforces any perception that the agency prioritizes message control over the ability of scientists who advise the agency to share their expertise with the public," the groups wrote.

The EPA relies on independent advisory boards to weigh complex scientific information and to advise the agency on policy, such as setting new standards for air pollutants. Recently, Republicans in Congress have been critical of the scientific advisory board overseeing the review of the ground-level ozone standard, saying it failed to evaluate the consequences of recommending a tougher limit.

The chair of that panel, H. Christopher Frey, said in an interview with the Associated Press in which he stressed he was offering his personal opinion, that he found the tone of the EPA memo to be unnecessary.

Frey, a distinguished university professor in North Carolina State Univ.'s environmental engineering department, said that many of the scientists that serve on the committees are national and internationally-renowned experts and that EPA "need not be too strong in precluding interactions with the media or others."

For journalists, it's the latest skirmish involving transparency issues and the Obama administration. Last month, more than three dozen groups wrote to the White House about what they described as growing censorship throughout federal agencies. Last year, dozens of leading news organizations protested restrictions that sometimes keep journalists from taking pictures and video of President Barack Obama performing official duties and two press groups urged members to stop using official photos and video handed out by the White House, dismissing them as little more than "government propaganda."

An EPA spokeswoman said there are no constraints on members fielding requests in a personal or professional capacity. She said the memo was designed to assure transparency.

The groups signing the letter include the Society of Professional Journalists, the Society of Environmental Journalists, Investigative Reporters and Editors, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, Society for Conservation Biology, American Geophysical Union and the Union of Concerned Scientists.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:43 PM

Huh.

1KIKI

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:01 PM

Yes.

For example, when scientists estimated the range of oil spilled at Macanhdo. and Obama cited the lowest figure at THE estimate, scientists weren't allowed to speak to the press and correct that lie. Similarly, when dispersant was being used on the spill, scientists weren't allowed to correct Obama's statements that it was non-toxic and harmless to the environment.

Other scientists when coming up with global warming estimates that are alarming in the course of their work aren't allowed to publicize them.

Scientists when coming up with polar bear death rates due to global warming have not only been forbidden to publish and discuss their work but have been fired on pretexts later AG's have found to be abuse of power and worthy of prosecution in and of themselves.

Yes, scientists who are trying to raise an alarm are being silenced.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:15 PM

The simple statement -' Science can be & often is politicized ' - will be embraced or rejected as determined by who is saying it.

STORYMARK

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:21 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Thankfully, with your disposition, I doubt you'll ever breed and spread your inanity to the next generation.

Ponder this reality: Charlie Manson just got married, and the raptard can't even get a date. Says a lot about how fucked up he is, doesn't it?

I think it's natural selection (uh-oh, I bet he'll think that's an occult term or some bullshit) doing our species a favor.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

STORYMARK

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:22 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Nothing you say has an iota of truth to it. You're a troll.

Imagine him stamping his wittle feet as he shouts this.

It makes it THAT MUCH FUNNIER.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:15 PM

Storybook - you're projecting your own inadequacies onto others again.

Ya might want to see to that.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not a complex. It's real bigotry & it's flat out wrong.

Teaching science is bigotry....

Getting fired for teaching science = bigotry.

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A white guy, saying his refusal to acknowledge overwhelming evidence... is the same as discrimination against blacks...

Discrimination is discrimination. Period.

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I am amazed that after all this time, you always manage to top the last utterly idiotic thing you said with something even dumber.

Which only makes YOU on par w/ a Grand Dragon ,decked out in your pointy headed finest.

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Thankfully, with your disposition, I doubt you'll ever breed and spread your inanity to the next generation.

Sister, they don't know what to do w/ just one of me !

HA !

HEY, that's amazing. Just yesterday, I mentioned a Grand Dragon, and here you are, using the same term today. Haven't heard anybody around here use the term in , like, forever Like mentioning it got it stuck in your mind.

You ever hear the one about the parrot and the plumber?

Kinda like, hear it, get it stuck in yer brain, repeat it. Now I think about it, that is your style. I've seen it before.

Raptard want a cracker?

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

If a general said before the invasion of Iraq that we'd need far greater numbers of troops than we were prepared to send, should he be able to be fired for his opinion?

Funny thing, something like that DID happen, I seem to remember. 'Course, BUSH did THAT, so that's OK.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, August 20, 2014 1:50 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

HEY, that's amazing. Just yesterday, I mentioned a Grand Dragon, and here you are, using the same term today. Haven't heard anybody around here use the term in , like, forever Like mentioning it got it stuck in your mind.

NOBC - go back and read the progression of the thread. Yeah, I saw you use that description and figured it applied here as well. So what ? Stop being such a ninny.

Be flattered I bothered to even READ your posts and that I thought enough to remember what you said.

Sheesh.

STORYMARK

Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:08 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Getting fired for teaching science = bigotry.

But that didn't happen. He got fired for NOT teaching science, and pushing the idiotic politically-entrenched, science-free bullshit you continue to excrete.

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Discrimination is discrimination. Period.

True, but there's no discrimination going on.

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Which only makes YOU on par w/ a Grand Dragon ,decked out in your pointy headed finest.

Aw, you're adorable. Dumb as a fucking stump, but amusing in your desperation.

But please, keep insisting that recognizing reality is "bigotry." That way, we never run out of comedy.

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Sister, they don't know what to do w/ just one of me !

Sure they do - that completely ignoring you thing - it's on purpose.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:42 AM

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Creation science would be an apt analogy. Teaching the bible / Torah / Quran as scientific fact.

No, see, son, this is teaching science as science.

Your persecution complex is fuckin' adorable, though.

Did you fail Comparisons 101? Incapable of logical analogy?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:09 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Getting fired for teaching science = bigotry.

But that didn't happen. He got fired for NOT teaching science, and pushing the idiotic politically-entrenched, science-free bullshit you continue to excrete.

Wrong.

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he wrote an OpEd in the Wall Street Journal describing man-made global warming as an "unproved science."

He refused to blindly accept you cult's agenda. And good for him.

ELVISCHRIST

Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nothing you say has an iota of truth to it.

So oil spills have never killed even a single animal?

Wow. I did not know that.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:55 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nothing you say has an iota of truth to it.

So oil spills have never killed even a single animal?

Wow. I did not know that.

You twist comments to get out of having to admit you're wrong. Constantly.

Oil spills aren't normal operating procedure for the oil company, any more than auto accidents are for car companies.

1KIKI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:26 AM

No, oil spills are unintended - though completely calculable - consequences. Just like fried birds. It depends what you're willing to tolerate.

So, how ya' doin' coming up with a NUMBER? That thing you need in order to ANSWER THE QUESTION - rather than merely random trolling. Or is that claim that you answered just another quotable RapFact™ in a long string of them?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:25 PM

Why don't you ask PETA or The Sierra Club what that number should be.

STORYMARK

Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:08 PM

Expecting an answer from the rapturd is waiting for a train that don't come.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 11:19 PM

Already gave you my answer.

THGRRI

Friday, August 22, 2014 4:13 AM

Pause button hit on global warming, possibly for a decade

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/13709/20140821/pause-button-hit-on-g
lobal-warming-possibly-for-a-decade.htm

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 22, 2014 4:36 AM

In my backyard, this seems to be the coolest August in memory. I think it got into the 80's a few times, but lots of high in the 70's, no 100's, and I don't recall any 90's yet this month. Must be that global warming, Eh?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Getting fired for teaching science = bigotry.

But that didn't happen. He got fired for NOT teaching science, and pushing the idiotic politically-entrenched, science-free bullshit you continue to excrete.

Wrong.

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he wrote an OpEd in the Wall Street Journal describing man-made global warming as an "unproved science."

He refused to blindly accept you cult's agenda. And good for him.

Methinks this irony will be lost on Storymark.

AURAPTOR

Friday, August 22, 2014 6:15 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
In my backyard, this seems to be the coolest August in memory. I think it got into the 80's a few times, but lots of high in the 70's, no 100's, and I don't recall any 90's yet this month. Must be that global warming, Eh?

Only in the final weeks of summer has it gotten to what passes as 'normal' heat here. And it's far from scorching. Mid to high 90's. Big whoop.

Oh, and the winter forecast has already come out too.

Colder and wetter than normal.

I Know, it's only 'weather', not climate. Or some such.

Would be the 3rd winter in a row, that's been cooler and wetter.

Oh my ! Global warming !

THGRRI

Friday, August 22, 2014 7:25 PM

63 Trillion Gallons Of Groundwater Lost To California Drought, Pushing Earth’s Crust Higher

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/08/21/63-trillion-gallons-of-gro
undwater-lost-to-california-drought-pushing-earths-crust-higher/

STORYMARK

Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:39 AM

That's ok. Its cold where the rapturd keeps its den, so there's no problem.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 23, 2014 2:58 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
63 Trillion Gallons Of Groundwater Lost To California Drought, Pushing Earth’s Crust Higher

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/08/21/63-trillion-gallons-of-gro
undwater-lost-to-california-drought-pushing-earths-crust-higher/

California mismanages water: SHOCKERS! LET'S BLAME BUSH! Or global warming? Ukraine? Blame the damn JEWS? Blame the Kurds? The Pope? Right wingers? Tea Party?

After watching Chinatown a few times, I just cannot understand how climate isn't the culprit.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:43 AM

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McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism."

Dont think that applies in this case

1KIKI

Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:58 AM

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why don't you ask PETA or The Sierra Club what that number should be.

So, no answer.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 23, 2014 6:35 AM

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McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism ."

Don't think that applies in this case

" especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism "

It applies, completely.

AGW isn't science, it's about politics. Firing a scientist who TALKS about his skepticism of the official state point of view, the POLITICAL position, loses his job. He was DISLOYAL to the STATE.

That's not freedom. That's tyranny.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:53 PM

Dissent or political criticism is different from scientific debate, espeically when on one side of the debate they are rejecting evidence.

McCarthyism prevented people from getting work in any industry, because of their political affiliation, not because there was a disagreement about some key point of an industry. To be more like McCarthyism, this man would have been denied a job because he voted republican, or expressed support for jihadism, or more accurately, had been accused of such things to by someone else looking to evade punitive action as per the witch hunts. You accuse 4 others and you get off scott free while they hang.

The analogy just doesn't work. Scientific communities have the right to employ people based on their expertise, and someone who is a climate change denier is someone who rejects evidence.

SECOND

Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:49 PM

Dr Caleb Rossiter got all prissy about his math for climate change and his math got him into trouble with his colleagues. He is not the first person to insist that there is only one right way to make a calculation and everyone else is wrong, wrong, wrong. Julian Schwinger got all prissy about his mathematical formalism after he won a Nobel prize. Schwinger quit Harvard because his colleagues were not as impressed with him as one-third of the Nobel committee had been. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Schwinger

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

ELVISCHRIST

Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why don't you ask PETA or The Sierra Club what that number should be.

Because they didn't come here and post that solar energy is causing "senseless loss of life." You did.

And when I asked for a specific number, you ran away like the fucking cunt we all know you to be.

ELVISCHRIST

Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
No, oil spills are unintended - though completely calculable - consequences. Just like fried birds. It depends what you're willing to tolerate.

So, how ya' doin' coming up with a NUMBER? That thing you need in order to ANSWER THE QUESTION - rather than merely random trolling. Or is that claim that you answered just another quotable RapFact™ in a long string of them?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

If those birds were being shot instead of being burned, raptard and the rest of his right-wing fucktard buddies would be yelling "FREE-DUMB!" as loud as they could.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 25, 2014 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

If those birds were being shot instead of being burned, raptard and the rest of his right-wing fucktard buddies would be yelling "FREE-DUMB!" as loud as they could.

Yep. You nailed us.

Now go tell that Lib Dem scientist who was sacked that he should stop whining and fall in line w/ the collective.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 25, 2014 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why don't you ask PETA or The Sierra Club what that number should be.

Because they didn't come here and post that solar energy is causing "senseless loss of life." You did.

Show us where I said that, please. This thread wasn't about that topic.

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And when I asked for a specific number, you ran away like the fucking cunt we all know you to be.

Because it was and is a ridiculous, straw man of a question.

But keep spouting profanities and insults like the foul mouthed teenager we all know YOU to be.

1KIKI

Monday, August 25, 2014 3:56 AM

... has been fired by a progressive think tank ...

You mean a private entity exercised its prerogative to decide who should work for them and who shouldn't??? WHAT HORROR!

Meanwhile, you are all OK with private entities telling women they can't be insured to receive a legal medication.

Your boundless hypocrisy is on display - yet again. No wonder we all know you to be a crapturd.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

ELVISCHRIST

Monday, August 25, 2014 8:05 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Why don't you ask PETA or The Sierra Club what that number should be.

Because they didn't come here and post that solar energy is causing "senseless loss of life." You did.

Show us where I said that, please. This thread wasn't about that topic.

"What does eating meat have to do w/ the 100% senseless loss of life via wind turbines and solar collectors ?"

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=58522

Are you suggesting that your point of view and your facts change depending on which thread they're posted in?

In addition to not being able to own a mistake, are you also unable to apply concepts broadly across different areas of thought?

I'm learning so much about your ridiculously narrow and restricted mind and how it tries to function!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:35 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

The analogy just doesn't work. Scientific communities have the right to employ people based on their expertise, and someone who is a climate change denier is someone who rejects evidence.

I kept waiting for you to make a point, to make a logical explanation of your stated viewpoint.
But here you expose your fallacy, your inability to discern the foundation of logic.
You did have me wondering where you were going - curious to see how your view and understanding of McCarthy would differ from those of Americans of many stripes.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:13 AM

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Are you suggesting that your point of view and your facts change depending on which thread they're posted in?

Yeah, that's exactly NOT what I'm saying.

But you can't carry on a simple , straight forward discussion w/ our resorting to antics of cherry picking things others have said in entirely different threads, so as to twist their words out of context.

Each thread is like a different conversation. If you're gonna take quotes and comments OUT OF CONTEXT from other threads, then there's no point in trying to converse w/ you, at all.

This only goes to show how thin your position is, that you can't debate the issue, and have to resort to juvenile tactics of migrating remarks from entirely different threads ( hell, why not snatch something from another forum entirely, as y'all love to stalk me across the internet anyways ) then you've already lost.

But we already knew that, didn't we ?

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

The analogy just doesn't work. Scientific communities have the right to employ people based on their expertise, and someone who is a climate change denier is someone who rejects evidence.

I kept waiting for you to make a point, to make a logical explanation of your stated viewpoint.
But here you expose your fallacy, your inability to discern the foundation of logic.
You did have me wondering where you were going - curious to see how your view and understanding of McCarthy would differ from those of Americans of many stripes.

Uh, my point was that it's not accurate to compare it to McCarthyism/

And I suspect that you and Rap and a few others would have strongly supported McCarthy back in the day.

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 6:49 PM

But it IS accurate , and by trying to claim otherwise, you ignore the intolerance in science of those who dissent from a favored or " official " point of view.

So intolerant, they'll sack one of their own, a bonafide Left winger. Kinda like how Isis terrorists will kill fellow Muslims who don't fall in line with their narrow views.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:26 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
But it IS accurate , and by trying to claim otherwise, you ignore the intolerance in science of those who dissent from a favored or " official " point of view.

So intolerant, they'll sack one of their own, a bonafide Left winger. Kinda like how Isis terrorists will kill fellow Muslims who don't fall in line with their narrow views.

As pointed out, lots of professions wont tolerate someone whose beliefs contradict scientific evidence. For example, a doctor who didnt believe in blood transfusions would probably struggle to find work in a hospital.

Also as pointed out, organisations generally have the right to fire employees whose beliefs contradict organisations ethos and values.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:04 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
But it IS accurate , and by trying to claim otherwise, you ignore the intolerance in science of those who dissent from a favored or " official " point of view.

So intolerant, they'll sack one of their own, a bonafide Left winger. Kinda like how Isis terrorists will kill fellow Muslims who don't fall in line with their narrow views.

I really think she won't get it, and certainly hasn't yet.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:16 AM

Oh do explain it more sweetpea. Your logic is always so convincing...

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:17 AM

Despite the dictates from upon high, the matter is NOT settled. And the issue here isn't whether this guy believes in a flat earth, or thinks modern medicine is of the devil. But hey, if you thought communism was super cool, then Hollywood should have had the right to ban you from ever working in the business too, right ? No harm, no foul.

Funny, that's not how I recall the Left's view on THAT matter.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:09 PM

I thought it was the left who bore the brunt of the McCarthy witchhunts?

The matter is 97% settled, which is as close to consensus as you will get in the scientific community. The rest is just about creating doubt through massive media campaigns by those with a vested interest in keeping the status quo.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:14 PM

Here is how climate deniers get so much airspace

http://tcktcktck.org/2011/10/treehugger-climate-denial-works-handy-cha
rt/14149

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:53 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I thought it was the left who bore the brunt of the McCarthy witchhunts?

exactly my point. If anyone should be cognizant of blackballing folks for having different views, it SHOULD be the Left.

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The matter is 97% settled, which is as close to consensus as you will get in the scientific community. The rest is just about creating doubt through massive media campaigns by those with a vested interest in keeping the status quo.

2 things wrong here. 1 - The " 97% " number is completely fabricated, and 2 - science is not determined by consensus.

And I agree w/ keeping the status quo, when the alternative is a solution to NOTHING, and it'll end up costing trillions of dollars needlessly,put further burdens on the poor, and making con artists and scammers ( like AlGore ) billionaires.

Change for the sake of change, and not for actually doing any good, isn't " the right thing to do ".

And btw - where are these ' massive media campaigns ' of which you speak ? You mean like NBC's Green Week, which tries to guilt folks into doing everything in their lives to combat AGW ?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 29, 2014 4:28 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Dissent or political criticism is different from scientific debate, espeically when on one side of the debate they are rejecting evidence.

Dissent and political criticism is exactly the same as scientific debate, when on one side of the debate they are fabricating, manufacturing fake evidence, and obfuscating the evidence which does not conform to the politically correct filters in use.
And since your statement accidentally "truthed" (I assume you swerved into the truth unintentionally) by pointing out that the Global Warming drones are rejecting evidence, you have supported the argument that you are trying to dispute.
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McCarthyism prevented people from getting work in any industry, because of their political affiliation, not because there was a disagreement about some key point of an industry. To be more like McCarthyism, this man would have been denied a job because he voted republican, or expressed support for jihadism, or more accurately, had been accused of such things to by someone else looking to evade punitive action as per the witch hunts. You accuse 4 others and you get off scott free while they hang.

The analogy just doesn't work. Scientific communities have the right to employ people based on their expertise, and someone who is a climate change

drone

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is someone who rejects evidence.

Fixed that for you, assuming you were attempting to be accurate.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 29, 2014 4:35 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I thought it was the left who bore the brunt of the McCarthy witchhunts?

exactly my point. If anyone should be cognizant of blackballing folks for having different views, it SHOULD be the Left.

Quote:

The matter is 97% settled, which is as close to consensus as you will get in the scientific community. The rest is just about creating doubt through massive media campaigns by those with a vested interest in keeping the status quo.

2 things wrong here. 1 - The " 97% " number is completely fabricated, and 2 - science is not determined by consensus.

Are you trying to deny the Earth is flat? Under the Vatican's decrees, more than 97% agreed the Earth is flat (else face execution for heresy) so that should be the agreed upon science determination - after all, at the time the Vatican controlled all higher education.

Don't you understand? The same low-information voter drones who elected Obamination TWICE as well as Slick TWICE should be the exact same libtards who vote upon which facts, science, truth, math are correct.

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