Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed
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Yanno, not really all that relevant to the conversation, but I think THGRRI missed a vital point about those kind of bad neighborhoods.
Maybe the attitude you got wasn't cause you were white, maybe it's because you're an asshole.
Guess that never occurred to you, huh ?
Me, I don't give a damn about race, most folks around here don't thankfully, and when asked about it by a resident some time ago, I pointed out that my ancestors and the IWW were pro-integration long before anyone else, they didn't care if you were a black rail car porter, chinese rail line worker, korean washerwoman, irish cop, if you were a working stiff, that was good enough for them - apparently word of that conversation went wider than expected, cause I still have occasional folks come up and ask me about the IWW now and then.
As for "being nice", there's a difference between being civil and starting a fight/escalating - you do shit you KNOW (or ought to know) is going to start a fracas, you got no right to bitch when it does.
And you plan for things to go south, even so - you just don't MAKE them.
Back to my Case One - detailed above, that wasn't bravado, cause while it might have LOOKED like one guy, alone and unarmed out in the darkness (which does wonders for street cred, sure) the reality is much different.
See, what woulda happened had they chosen to engage instead of leaving ?
Well, firstoff I picked that spot for a reason, it's in the angle of two cameras, one with active recording capability I switched on just before stepping out and the other being monitored by Stacey in the office, and since it was me out there any rumble was gonna clear the benches, which means in thirty-five seconds there'd be seven more guys out there with a significant edge in training and equipment, not to mention that one of my "flashlights" is in fact an extendable coilspring strike baton - so, hard lines for the bad guys there, HOWEVER...
Just cause you have force at hand ain't no cause to go waving it at people willy nilly just cause you can, and in fact "threat displays" like that tend to escalate a situation instead of shutting it down - had I, sayyy, whipped out that baton and stormed up to them getting all verbally aggressive, getting in their personal space and threatening them, they probably would have reacted with violence which would be in their mind *defensive*, in part cause of known biases of the system, racial and otherwise - Zimmerman walked despite it being obvious he was a murderous punk who initiated that confrontation without cause, yes ?
Which is again, where the officer who shot Brown fucked it up, firstoff he used aggressive language when it was not necessary, secondly he got too damn close (See Also: Tueller Drill), and third, he pulled his gun ON A JAYWALKER... seriously ?
And by virtue of the second screwup, did it close enough for things to go rodeo at close range, cause he was a fucking dumbass.
Fourth and finally, he fired TEN shots, and at an unarmed person - the autopsy on that is gonna be pretty damning anyways cause that means he shot Brown after he was on the ground and neutralized as a potential threat simply by virtue of how many shots were fired, logical conclusion there.
Even if no shots had been fired, even if nothing had come of it but harsh words and hurt feelings, the officer *STILL* inexcuseably fucked up in multiple ways which indicate bad attitudes and piss poor training.
THOSE are widespread isssues needing to be rectified, and one of the reasons I think body cameras are a good idea - shit, *I* wouldn't mind one, cause it would be more efficient than having to whip out and boot up my Vivitar DVR410 when something needs documenting, and I train all my people to behave as if they were on-camera the whole time they're on duty, which is only sensible in that we have a couple of our own and you never know when someone with a cellphone or webcam is going to point it at you, so the simple solution is DON'
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Society is we. Check out the Morgan Freeman video. Best bet is to do a YouTube search using the title above the video. For some reason the short cut does not bring you to the clip.
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Nope Fern not the reason. Stop pretending you understand the street. Mental Health plays a major role here. Since you do not understand that you are not a reliable source for how to go about making things right.
Do you really believe the Black community could be traumatized for generations and still function normally? There is a kind of institutionalization that engulfs these communities along with what effects soldiers after combat. Post Dramatic Stress Disorder. You people are so consumed with the problems that exist outside these communities you forget to look inside. Put down the self-righteous signs. They don't mean shit to me. I try and keep it real. I may be off the mark a bit but some of you here are clueless as to how these communities function.
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You disagree that I saw such a video clip? Or you disagree that that is how most American cops would handle a drunk with a knife threatening to kill people?
I am suggesting one incident does not an accurate picture make. If you think the Brit cops don't get aggressive with hooligans you are very uninformed. They also have about 240 million less people to deal with. Our poor neighborhoods are much larger than theirs.
I was not discussing British police interacting with hooligans. I WAS discussing a documented episode of a British policeman interacting with a drunken, possibly homicidal, person waving a knife, and how he did handle it;vs how an American cop would have handled it. YOU evaded that part of the question. How do YOU think an American cop would have handled it? Am I wrong in suggesting that he would have considered it a lethal threat, and outed his firearm and opened up?
Considering how 2 armed cops here in L A were confronted by a 90 pound 80 year old black woman armed with a sharpened screwdriver, and were, officially, "in fear of their lives", so they killed her?
Or the white BART cop in San Francisco (from South Africa , he was, a place with a great record on racial equality.) who had a suspect on the ground, handcuffed, and reached for his Tazer to stun him, but mistook his own gun for the Tazer, even though the handle is deliberately a different shape, and shot and killed the guy.
Or the NYC cops who thought a black man was reaching for a gun, so they shot him, and what was in his hands was his Wallet?
Or maybe this in Ferguson, where a suspect was fleeing, then had his hands up to surrender, and the officer reportedly continued to fire, shooting him in the back, and killing him? ( OH, yeah, where the local cops won't release the autopsy report, because it probably will tell where the bullet holes were, and how many.)
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Yea ok I give up. Your talking about anecdotal bullshit that means nothing. This country is 19% black and you want to discuss a few different incidents. 19% out of 310 million. That is a lot of black folk and you think what you just posted shows a pattern?
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SHINYGOODGUY
Yeah ok, show the arrest record of anyone under 18. It's illegal. As far as the courts are concerned once you are 18 your juvenile record is sealed.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Nope Fern not the reason. Stop pretending you understand the street. Mental Health plays a major role here. Since you do not understand that you are not a reliable source for how to go about making things right.
Oh put a sock in it, tomato farmer.
You *DO* realize that I run night security for an apartment complex directly across the street from the roughest neighborhood in the county, and happen to reside at said apartment complex, yes ?
That said, three factors have caused the crime rate around here to swan-dive since 2008.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/ypsilanti/statistics-show-drastic-drop-in
-west-willow-crime/
One, after being investigated, sued for nearly eight million and having their chops busted six ways to sunday, the local Law Enforcement took all the nasty old bastards who had a habit of beating up minorities for fun and assigned them to guarding the courthouse, replacing them with a more idealistic crowd of younger cops - they're still greedy and corrupt, but a little more inclined to be humane, and that counts for a lot, special props to Roy and Krings, who checked out a couple bicycles and went riding around the neighborhood talking to people like people, instead of acting like an invading army, and they got some pretty good mileage of out that.
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The approach helps the deputies regularly meet and interact with residents and improve what some say was a formerly strained relationship between the neighborhood and Sheriff's Department. Those improved relationships, police officials say, will help deputies fight crime.
http://www.annarbor.com/news/sheriffs-department-ypsilanti-township-se
e-early-signs-of-success-in-summer-crime-plan/
Two was the budget issue, we wound up cutting their budget in response to some misbehavior, and they threw a total hissyfit including a couple of vaguely threatening editorials and started "enforcing" traffic (i.e. revenue generation via tickets and forfeiture) so viciously it bordered on downright harrassment, and topped it off with busting a charity poker game and seizing all the money, so we cut their budget AGAIN and sharpened the axe some more - at which point they decided maybe behaving in a more professional manner was the better course of action.
Relative to that, they now want the police, fire and EMT budgets rolled into a single "public safety" one like most places have, thinking that might make us more reluctant to swing the budget axe, but said initiative was cut to ribbons at the polls.
We also on that same ballot made possession of cannabis "Officially the lowest priority of law enforcement" - by a margin of around 90%... Sheriff Clayton, who's a bit of a dick about this, then had his boys go all out busting anyone with weed, to which the community made him well aware that we could also RECALL his ass with that 90% margin and he sat down and shut up for now...
Amazing how much real work cops can get done when they're not caught up in that "War on (some) Drugs" bullshit - the average burglar around here generally gets caught in less than 14 days now.
And without all the fancy war toys, it handily eliminates the everything-looks-like-a-nail problem, too.
And third - a lot of these neighborhoods, even some really poor ones, went and invested in private and contract security.
We're not cops, we do not enforce the law, just protect the turf we're paid to, but it's a surprisingly inexpensive option, one neighborhood around here finances theirs by taking up a collection at the local church, of all things.
But what it does do, is frees up police resources which'd otherwise be bogged down in the petty stuff we handle ourselves, bonus that they can skip patrols of those areas and if something does happen they have a slightly-more-professional witness with a smidge more credibility than joe sixpack.
While there's no love lost in either direction (I've caught the local prosecutor in some chicanery regarding
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Quote:I heard about one several years ago, here in LA, at a time of interracial police abuse. A black journalist bet a media coverage team that he could cause police misconduct. He got 3 black friends, they dressed up in business suits, took his respectable car downtown and parked it illegally. They had a hidden camera watching, taping. They stayed in the car. Cop drove by, came back, red lights. The driver got out of the car. Cop demanded his ID. That's legal: a cop has the right to request that of the driver, to prove he's licensed, not suspended, registered owner, etc. Cop then demanded ID's of the passengers. Courts have ruled that a cop does not have a right to do that without probable cause. They refused , cop got pissed. He was gonna arrest and handcuff them all. They demanded that he call a sergeant. He did, Sgt. showed up, chewed his ass for exceeding his authority. Over a matter than at most would have been a parking ticket.
Originally posted by THGRRI:
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I stand corrected. However, we have had sensitivity training in place for many years and it is constantly being updated. The problem is, that the good behavior is mostly one sided. That is not to say there are not many great black people. It is just that they are not the ones the cops are always dealing with. They are dealing with those who have rap sheets as long or longer than your arm or even your leg. Hell, both legs.
The Sergeant knew the law and the regs, the patrol cop either did not, in spite of training, or violated them. No discipline was given to the patrol officer. When the videos got broadcast, the big Chief responded that it was unfair, the officer was entrapped. But at that point, the patrol officer was disciplined. Letter of reprimand in his file or some such.
In spite of the fact that he tried to violate the Constitutional rights of 3 respectable appearing free citizens, on a matter of settled legal precedent. That law has been changed since, after the Patriot Act. Cop can demand the ID of anybody anywhere-- they might be TERRORISTS !
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Ferguson Store Owner Says He Doesn’t Believe That’s Mike Brown On Surveillance Video
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The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
The owners claim that this is a claim the police have come up with on their own. For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store. But for now, that has not been corroborated by the store owner, employees or eye witnesses. As well, we are not hearing this from Johnson himself, so a number of questions remain.
Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.
As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.
They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone. So the real question is why the media has been taking the word of the police on this matter, even over the word of the eye witnesses and the store owner?
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doe
snt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/
But the raptard has already verified the video, so the store owner's account of things is moot, right?
Right?
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The whole paradigm of "competition" for the lowest wage is wrong. The only people who "win" in that competition are the "takers" (as opposed to the "makers"). I know you won't understand this, but I have no time to educate you right now. I just want to say you're an idiot, shooting yourself in the foot.
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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.
Yep , Sig, That's why companies export jobs. Has nothing to do with reliability of workers, crime rate, anything else. If they can get their stuff made in China while paying their workers a bowl of rice a day, vs. any minimum hourly wage anywhere in America, they'll go THERE EVERY TIME.
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