Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Frem,
once again, examples from your experience that lead to a sensible conclusion.
And thanks for the link to NoNonsenseSelfDefense. The Not-To-Do list from the guy (Peyton, I guess his name is.) boils it down to less than a Miranda Rights card. Cops should post it in their cars and have it just as available, to remind themselves to watch their behavior. It's worth quoting :Quote:
1) Don't Insult Him
2) Don't Challenge Him
3) Don't Threaten Him
4) Don't Deny It's Happening
5) Give Him A Face Saving Exit (1)
If the cop in Ferguson had just rolled up beside those 2 blacks and said, "Hey, guys, for your own safety, I don't think you should walk down the middle of the street. Why don'tcha just go over there and walk on the sidewalk?"; maybe nothing would have happened.
This is what the left always does. Suggest that if you are always nice, if you only did this, nothing bad will happen. Tell that to the store clerk who just got robbed. It must have been because he was mean to the guys who robbed him right? Yes you have to police in a way that is community friendly but the left always assumes that the community will be friendly back. Wake up....these in many cases are very angry people. Just ask them, they will tell you they have been getting screwed all their lives. Result, anger....I'm a victim.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Your police sound like arseholes
That's the difference between American cops and British, and I presume, Australian, ones.
I saw an episode of Cops once, the reality/docu-drama about, well, cops, where they followed the London Metropolitan Police around for a week. The bobbies encountered a crazy drunk waving a knife and threatening to kill anyone who bothered him. Bobbie says, "Now, sir, I don't think you really mean that," and talked the drunk into putting down the knife and surrendering. Here in America, it woulda been out with the Glocks and shoot him. Several times.
That is such crap and shows how thousands of community, officer contacts can happen and the few negative ones you hear about determines your overall opinions. It seems like the theme of this thread. Very sad.
Larry DePrimo, NYPD Cop, Buys Homeless Man Boots (PHOTO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/larry-deprimo-nypd-cop-gives-
homeless-boots_n_2209178.html
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Quote:And they are. So stop victimizing people.
This is what the left always does. Suggest that if you are always nice, if you only did this, nothing bad will happen. Tell that to the store clerk who just got robbed. It must have been because he was mean to the guys who robbed him right? Yes you have to police in a way that is community friendly but the left always assumes that the community will be friendly back. Wake up....these in many cases are very angry people. Just ask them, they will tell you they have been getting screwed all their lives. Result, anger....I'm a victim.
This is like our approach to the world: we bomb the snot out of everybody, and then we wonder why so many people hate us!
FIRST, DO NO HARM.
The statistic that blew JSF's cookies was the the one about the highest crime rate AND the highest incarceration rate. (The qualifier to that is: "In the developed world.")
A punitive approach only generates blowback, either in your neighborhood or in the rest of the world. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP A SOCIETY ON THE BASIS OF A GUN. Everybody has to buy into what you're selling; most have to get enough out of it to agree to abide by the rules.
Start with JOBS. If there was a decent-paying JOB for everyone who wanted to/ could work, you wouldn't have so many idle young men filling their time with mischief, and looking for alternative ways to make money. If capitalism can't do it, then don't use a capitalistic approach.
ALSO, I fail to see the difference between these young men and the gun-toting white folk who defy the law. If violence is your answer, get out the APCs for them too.
Quote:Is your head up there for the warmth? For all of the negative ones we hear about, there are THOUSANDS of negative events that we DON'T hear about. In a previous post, I brought up NYPD's "stop and frisk" policy- a policy of frisking and bringing in a quota of young black men, and then slapping some ridiculous charge on them ("resisting arrest" was a favorite, as was "jaywalking") so it wouldn't LOOK LIKE the NYPD was doing exactly what it was doing: targeting young black men just because they were male, young, and black.
the few negative ones you hear about determines your overall opinions.
According to residents in Ferguson, the police were doing the same thing there. The reason for arrest, according to people who've experienced it, is called "walking while black".
Treating EVERY SINGLE PERSON LIKE A CRIMINAL* is not going to win friends and influence people, and it's not going to reduce the crime rate. All it will do is make sure that everybody hates the PD's guts and that no one will cooperate with the PD, even when it comes to dealing with crime.
You really are a ....
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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.
*Also, if you noticed this is the NSA's approach: because somebody somewhere might be a terrorist, we'll rip up the Constitution and investigate EVERYONE. The authorities have really gone off the deep end. They see everyone as potential enemies. Maybe it's because they have a guilty conscience? Or maybe they're just drunk on power, and fucking paranoid.
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A black reporter, Eugene Robinson who won a noble prize was concerned about stop and frisk going away. He actually looked distraught while it was being discussed. His plea was that the program stay but they needed to start stopping more white folk. You see he knows what it means to eliminate the program. More black (not white) kids will start dying in the streets. Stop and frisk keeps many kids from carrying. Once they know they will not be stopped it starts all over again.
I was criticized for calling black communities war zones. A year does not go by that we do not lose more black teens to shooting that we did at the height of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined. They are war zones and the sooner more of you realize that the better positioned we will be to help. It's such an outrage when a white officer kills a black kid but not so much a problem that they kill each other by the thousands each year. How would you like to be a cop in those neighborhoods? How do you like paying all those taxes each year to clean it up? Maybe if they did not destroy the building they occupy and would stop wasting our resource within the court and health system we could build new schools there.
Thousands of Young Black Men Die in Gun Crimes Every Year
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/03/thousands_of_young_black_men_di
e_in_gun_crimes_every_year.html
$52,000 to treat a gunshot victim? And doctors and nurses at Stroger Hospital in Chicago, a taxpayer funded county hospital, mend up black and brown victims of black and brown gun crime to the tune of 7-out-of-10 of these citizens not having health insurance?
The unit treats about 1,500 gunshots and stabbings a year.
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2012/10/shot-through-hear
t-and-youre-to-blame.html
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Yes, they are war zones, by WHY are they war zones???
We need start with nation-building, right here in our own borders.
But it's just so much easier to destroy than to build. And what we do best is destroy- just look at all of the neighborhoods we've destroyed everywhere throughout the world, including here in the USA. Great smoking clusterfucks everywhere we go, no matter if it's Aleppo or Detroit or Tegucigalpa.
Nation-building. Time to learn how.
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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.
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Yes, they are war zones, by WHY are they war zones???
We need start with nation-building, right here in our own borders.
But it's just so much easier to destroy than to build. And what we do best is destroy- just look at all of the neighborhoods we've destroyed everywhere throughout the world, including here in the USA.
Nation-building. Time to start.
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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.
Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here. I agree with you but how it needs to be done is by those who live there. Once they make the move we really can help a lot. It is like stopping drinking though. You really have to want it to make the necessary changes. It very hard for them to take this on. A Marshal plan could be in order but remember with that plan the Japanese had very little say. Many of the people who live in these neighborhoods would buck against that. They have no idea how screwed up they are because they have spent most if not all of their lives blaming everyone else.
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Quote:It's a little hard to just focus on "here", because so much of what we do "there" comes home to roost. The militarization of the police, for example, is a result of 9-11 and the "GWOT" ("global war on terror"). The intrusion of the NSA into everyone's life, and the view of EVERYONE as a potential terrorist is because of blowback from the rest of the world. And then, there is the (completely failed) "war on drugs". All we've managed to do is metastasize our gangs into central and south America, and now they're coming here to roost... again. You can't have a paranoid authoritarian alphabet agency/ military goon culture without it filtering down to the local PDs.
Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here.
Quote:Bullshit. A neighborhood can't create it's own jobs. As long as the larger commercial economy in which they're embedded exists only to suck money out of poverty, nothing will ever happen. EVEN IF they band together and become hard-working, crime-intolerant neighborhoods, what are these people going to DO for jobs and honestly-earned money???
I agree with you but how it needs to be done is by those who live there.
Quote:These neighborhoods are created because of the predatory culture in which we all live. What is the difference between a bankster and a drug dealer, except the size of the crime? What "move" are they supposed to make that's going to make their neighborhoods thrive, economically?
Once they make the move we really can help a lot. It is like stopping drinking though. You really have to want it to make the necessary changes. It very hard for them to take this on.
You're speaking from an individual standpoint. Yes, AN individual can beat the odds. But the problem is, in THIS culture, your gain is someone else's loss. You get a job, someone loses one. You get a student loan, someone else has not gotten one. You get a home loan, someone else has failed.
If you can't apply your solution to EVERYBODY all at once, then it's not the solution these neighborhoods need.
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What is it you people believe? Do you think all the cops get out of bed each day and head out to try and disrupt the lives of others. All they want to do is make it through the day in one piece.
Well, speaking for myself, I believe in Joseph Wambaugh. I've read most of his novels. He's an ex-LAPD street cop and detective, in case you've never heard of him. You may not have: he writes long books, with big words in them and no pictures on the pages.
He presents street cops as a mix, some good, some bad, some smart, some dumb, some idealistic and some prejudiced. That's in L.A. IN Missouri, the mix is the same, but the percentages are different, probably. In a town with 85 % black population, run by a white government, where of the 53 officers in the Police force, 3 ( or maybe 6, I've seen that number lately, kinda like an update.) of 'em are black, in a border state, with a history of organized racism, what would YOU expect the percentages to be? What kind of guys would the (white) city council and chief hire? What are THEIR priorities?
But Wambaugh makes the point that all cops are intrusive, and aggressive. That's what they're trained to be, what their superiors want. That they feel that they MUST control EVERY situation. That force is their tool, and that no matter how much they use, they'll probably get away with it, because anybody that objects is a liberal pinko faggot, and that no matter what the official policy is, the organizations aren't gonna punish them unless they REALLY fuck up BAD. So bad that the whole world notices. Rodney King Bad. And that was LONG before the present concern about militarization of police forces, considering them as occupying armies oppressing the local animals, keeping them down and holding them back.
There. That's a chunk of what I believe.
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And when a group votes damn near uniformly ( 90% + ) the same way, and have problems which seemingly never go away, one might come to the conclusion that they could do more to help themselves.
See "NRA".
How does racial make up have anything remotely to do with a group which anyone can join?
And what ' problems ' do the NRA have , other than standing up for the 2nd Amendment ?
WOW. Complete and total comparison fail.
I quoted your words exactly.
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... when a group votes damn near uniformly ( 90% + ) the same way, and have problems which seemingly never go away, one might come to the conclusion that they could do more to help themselves.
Why are you trying to bring race into it now? Always playing the race card, aren't you, you miserable piece of human excrement?
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Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here.
Like you are? The way you keep wanting to focus on "here" by calling out all the problems you see with "them" and "their" neighborhoods.
"They" are *US*. "Their" neighborhoods are *OUR* neighborhoods. "Their" problems are *OUR* problems.
If we're a people, a race of human beings, a nation, a world, then we're all in this together.
You seem to keep wanting it to be "us" versus "them."
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