Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed
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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 18:50
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Quote:It's like the old saying "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail". So now, our PDs have BIGGER hammers. YIPPEE!
But Wambaugh makes the point that all cops are intrusive, and aggressive. That's what they're trained to be, what their superiors want. That they feel that they MUST control EVERY situation. That force is their tool, and that no matter how much they use, they'll probably get away with it, because anybody that objects is a liberal pinko faggot, and that no matter what the official policy is, the organizations aren't gonna punish them unless they REALLY fuck up BAD.
All you have to do is look at our budgets to see where our priorities are: hammers. And prisons. Fuck of a lot more expensive and intrusive than jobs, education, and drug treatment, but there's our problem right there: We have a hammer-centric view of problem-solving.
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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.
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Ok first, stop bringing the rest of the world into this and focus on here.
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It's a little hard to just focus on "here", because so much of what we do "there" comes home to roost. The militarization of the police, for example, is a result of 9-11 and the "GWOT" ("global war on terror"). The intrusion of the NSA into everyone's life, and the view of EVERYONE as a potential terrorist is because of blowback from the rest of the world. And then, there is the (completely failed) "war on drugs". All we've managed to do is metastasize our gangs into central and south America, and now they're coming here to roost... again. You can't have a paranoid authoritarian alphabet agency/ military goon culture without it filtering down to the local PDs.
Subjective and not relevant to the topic. Gloom and doom because you are about bitching and pointing fingers not fixing.
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I agree with you but how it needs to be done is by those who live there.
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Bullshit. A neighborhood can't create it's own jobs. As long as the larger commercial economy in which they're embedded exists only to suck money out of poverty, nothing will ever happen. EVEN IF they band together and become hard-working, crime-intolerant neighborhoods, what are these people going to DO for jobs and honestly-earned money???
Well there’s a good business model. Keep everyone poor which will help minimize our profits. You may think the cost of bread is higher but property values drop by the billions. Yes these communities can create jobs but that was not what I was speaking about. I was talking about them deciding they were going to effect change without waiting for society to bail them out. Then we could step in and help.
You have a typical leftie attitude. They can’t, which may pacify your need to lash out at those who have, but does little to effect change for those who don’t. (By the way, I am not someone who has much). Well, I say yes they can create jobs. Black leaders can court business to come to their neighborhoods. That’s how all leaders at all levels bring jobs to states and communities. The problem is the violence and undependable work force. That can only be addressed by the community itself. Some of what would be done people are trying to do, like getting local entrepreneurs up and going with loans.
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Once they make the move we really can help a lot. It is like stopping drinking though. You really have to want it to make the necessary changes. It very hard for them to take this on.
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These neighborhoods are created because of the predatory culture in which we all live. What is the difference between a bankster and a drug dealer, except the size of the crime? What "move" are they supposed to make that's going to make their neighborhoods thrive, economically?
These neighborhoods continue to exist as predatory neighborhoods even though things in this country have changed dramatically. You keep wanting to bring the outside world into this. You preach of gloom and doom. You make it sound impossible. They can change it if they wish. Have you ever seen a so called ghetto movie? One that shows what living in one of these neighborhoods is like. Did you see the kids in the schools with graffiti all over the walls and how they act? Would you want to hire most of these kids? Did you feel the undercurrent of violence that was always a wrong word away? Many of these movies made were accurate depictions of life in these neighborhoods (remember I lived there). You can blame whomever you wish for creating the situation but that won’t fix it. You look at a movie like that and all you see is victims. I look at a movie like that and think this shit won’t cut it in the world outside this neighborhood and if they do not change things will never get better for them.
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You're speaking from an individual standpoint. YesNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:WHAT has changed dramatically? Can people live reasonably well even if they work 40 hours a week? Are decent-paying jobs available for everyone who wants to work? Are loans available for supportable rates? Has the wealth gap narrowed even a fraction? The "predatory culture" that I'm writing about isn't the predatory culture of the gangs, it's the predatory culture of the banks and corporations which- at least as far as I can tell- has not changed one whit. THAT is the predatory culture that these neighborhoods are embedded in- the one that makes fraudulent home loans and then repos entire neighborhoods, the one that pays next to nothing for next to nothing jobs, the one that charges 1000% for a payday loan.
These neighborhoods continue to exist as predatory neighborhoods even though things in this country have changed dramatically.
Quote:What I'm saying.... which you failed to catch on to... is that EVEN IF they change "the culture" of their neighborhoods, it still won't create jobs. Poverty and lack of employment will STILL be the #1 issue.
You said it. If they do not change the prevalent culture within their communities’ things will not change or get better for them.
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You just don't get it Sig. No one wants to do business there. As I just said in another thread, companies do not want to open businesses there. Why, because of the attitudes of those who live their. Why, because of the unreliability of the work force. Why, because of the violence. Why, because of the education level of the work force(or lack of). Why, because 50% of the work force has no experience working. I could go on and on but all you want to do is point out what should be, who did what to who and what is going on that resembles this globally and how too that is our fault.
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Frem,
once again, examples from your experience that lead to a sensible conclusion.
And thanks for the link to NoNonsenseSelfDefense. The Not-To-Do list from the guy (Peyton, I guess his name is.) boils it down to less than a Miranda Rights card. Cops should post it in their cars and have it just as available, to remind themselves to watch their behavior. It's worth quoting :Quote:
1) Don't Insult Him
2) Don't Challenge Him
3) Don't Threaten Him
4) Don't Deny It's Happening
5) Give Him A Face Saving Exit (1)
If the cop in Ferguson had just rolled up beside those 2 blacks and said, "Hey, guys, for your own safety, I don't think you should walk down the middle of the street. Why don'tcha just go over there and walk on the sidewalk?"; maybe nothing would have happened.
This is what the left always does. Suggest that if you are always nice, if you only did this, nothing bad will happen. Tell that to the store clerk who just got robbed. It must have been because he was mean to the guys who robbed him right? Yes you have to police in a way that is community friendly but the left always assumes that the community will be friendly back. Wake up....these in many cases are very angry people. Just ask them, they will tell you they have been getting screwed all their lives. Result, anger....I'm a victim.
You DO argue just like Rap. It's not what I always do. I did not suggest that "you " should always be nice. I suggested that a police officer always should. And if you read my post, or the quote you quoted or that I quoted again here, I did not say that " nothing bad will happen."
I typed very clearly 5 letters "m-a-y-b-e". That's an important word.
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Your police sound like arseholes
That's the difference between American cops and British, and I presume, Australian, ones.
I saw an episode of Cops once, the reality/docu-drama about, well, cops, where they followed the London Metropolitan Police around for a week. The bobbies encountered a crazy drunk waving a knife and threatening to kill anyone who bothered him. Bobbie says, "Now, sir, I don't think you really mean that," and talked the drunk into putting down the knife and surrendering. Here in America, it woulda been out with the Glocks and shoot him. Several times.
That is such crap
You disagree that I saw such a video clip? Or you disagree that that is how most American cops would handle a drunk with a knife threatening to kill people?
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I stand corrected. However, we have had sensitivity training in place for many years and it is constantly being updated. The problem is, that the good behavior is mostly one sided. That is not to say there are not many great black people. It is just that they are not the ones the cops are always dealing with. They are dealing with those who have rap sheets as long or longer than your arm or even your leg. Hell, both legs.
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You disagree that I saw such a video clip? Or you disagree that that is how most American cops would handle a drunk with a knife threatening to kill people?
I am suggesting one incident does not an accurate picture make. If you think the Brit cops don't get aggressive with hooligans you are very uninformed. They also have about 240 million less people to deal with. Our poor neighborhoods are much larger than theirs.
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Look, it may sound like I blame poor folks for everything that is wrong in their lives; not so. What I am trying to say is the way out is through hard work and school. I am not arguing they have not gotten and do not continue to receive a raw deal. All I am trying to say is it is not going to change and instead of banding together to complain they should band together to effect change within their own communities. Then our assistance will really make a difference. These communities have to learn to compete for what is out there and how to sell themselves as a viable commodity.
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Quote:"The appropriate emotion is shame — shame at our own dependency, in this case, on the underpaid labor of others. When someone works for less pay than she can live on — when, for example, she goes hungry so that you can eat more cheaply and conveniently — then she has made a great sacrifice for you, she has made you a gift of some part of her abilities, her health, and her life. The "working poor," as they are approvingly termed, are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. They neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for; they live in substandard housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect; they endure privation so that inflation will be low and stock prices high. To be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else." -- http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barbara_Ehrenreich
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Look, it may sound like I blame poor folks for everything that is wrong in their lives; not so. What I am trying to say is the way out is through hard work and school. I am not arguing they have not gotten and do not continue to receive a raw deal. All I am trying to say is it is not going to change and instead of banding together to complain they should band together to effect change within their own communities. Then our assistance will really make a difference. These communities have to learn to compete for what is out there and how to sell themselves as a viable commodity.
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