Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed
POSTED BY: SHINYGOODGUY
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 18:50
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changing the goal posts
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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No it is just me pointing out once again how you twist what people say by making it appear they mean something else. I have just dealt with this same thing with you in another thread. You lied and misrepresented what I said and I asked you for the link. I would think you had it because you just quoted it. Instead you ignored me with one post and have not been back since.
This is what a bump is for so check it out. I will bump the thread so you can post the link clearing your name.
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ad hominem
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Yes that is a big part of what you are doing. I notice you are not posting the link and there you have it.
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ad hominem
onus probandi
Moral high ground
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
ad hominem
onus probandi
Moral high ground
Yep,
gave you a chance to show you are not a liar and you run for the hills. That post shut you down cold. Nothing more from you on this thread about it and nothing more on the other. NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
ad hominem
Really, is that all the horsepower you have?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
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preserving THUGR's racist rants for the future:
I can make all kinds of statements about why this always happens in black communities. I can take the African American argument based on their point of view and make it for them because a lot of it is true. What does that mean? It means nothing is going to change. I understand what made things the way they are but that is not what keeps them that way. Michael Jackson had a song, Man in the Mirror. Change comes from within. Yes there is much that can be done but they have to be willing to do what is necessary before investment will be made in their community. White people are not coming to the rescue no matter how much the black community complains. I am white and know from talking to other whites, most of us have had many experiences in African American communities. We can’t wait to leave.
I find these communities to be loud and abrasive. I realized from my first incursion into the black community I needed to be vigilant. I have always understood I too was disliked because of my skin color while there. I should inform you I lived in these communities. Their hate gushes out every time something happens and in many cases they destroy their own community even more looting and burning things down. They’re not thinking about this poor kid while they are stealing that new TV. They are exploiting his death for personal gain. Its white people’s fault its white peoples fault they yell as they loot and steal. Saying anything about the behavior of minorities is always politically incorrect but not doing so does little to evoke change. This kid is dead because of the culture that permeates throughout the black community and those who work there. I have heard many times from other white people, if they want new books for their schools they should read the old ones. Within the old books lies the secret of how to attain new ones.
He may have been a great kid with a bright future but is dead instead because of the communities’ culture of the past that infuses itself throughout. Even if the cop was 100% wrong the only thing that may occur is money for the Kids family and jail time for the cop. Big deal, nothing changes and the process begins again. Buildings and streets are like the populations that reside there. If you make an effort to maintain them they will provide better for you. If you neglect them they will fall apart. The black community must learn to maintain themselves or nothing will change. African Americans wanted to create their own culture and this is what they themselves have created. They need to learn to live with it or change.
Let the attacks begin I don't care. Always blaming one side while excusing the other fixes nothing.
Now this is an interesting stew of bad logic, self-delusion, ignorance and sheer hate.
THUGR claims it 'always' happens in black communities. Apparently it never happens in Hispanic communities. Or Asian communities. Or Native American communities. It never happens with Francophones living among Anglophones. Or to poor whites living among wealthy whites. It's not due to a non-racial process brought about by limited opportunities being corralled by the powerful. It ALWAYS happens in black communities, because - can we talk? - they're black. Obviously.
So we have this big, and I mean GINORMOUS stereotype already, one indicating he certainly isn't going to view this with any degree of impartiality. Nope, it's going to go through that big filter of hate. Against blacks.
And what keeps things the way they are - certainly isn't due to ongoing racism, or any type of 'ism'. Despite all the studies that show 'discountedly equal' opportunity, reward, justice, representation and power for women, blacks, and Hispanics of equal ability doing equal work, it must certainly not be due to discrimination. No, it's because blacks have insufficiently changed from within. Apparently, if they try hard enough, their skin will turn white.
I fi
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more, but not certainly all, of THUGR's racists rants:
That should be a hint to you what you are dealing with within these communities.
Yes to a great extent. Especially if you are void of a back bone and cannot take care of yourself legally. Look at the success rate of graduating high school. Keep in mind these kids are held to a much lower standard then the rest. Many more of less get pushed through.
Let's be accurate ok? While what you say is true it is also true that most who live in these neighborhoods do nothing to help themselves. They do not pay for the services provided within those communities so complaining about the poor conditions is mute. I lived in the same neighborhood that a new complex was built and within a year there was graffiti as high as could be reached on all the buildings and not a screen left on the first floor. All the scrubs were dead as well as the grass.
What that suggests to me is the people living there are the problem. I am sure that is not what that suggests to you. Fine, nothing changes.
I always try to improve myself. Life is hard and I was dealt a hard blow. I did not have to worry about the cops. I had to look over my shoulder in my own home. I found out if you try there is plenty of help to be had. Just look at how hard the people from this community are defended on these threads. There is tons of money poured into helping them but far to many just what to take it and run. Not to also accept help in turning their lives around. I understand the odds are against them but what I am saying is what's accurate here. They must do it for themselves. They must turn their lives around.
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Yes I agree with some of your suggestions. I would add that when time has been served they should be allowed to vote. At least until we notice they are putting people in place who are crime figures themselves. I don’t wish to be negative but it is a real possibility.
No to prison colonies and the death penalty. It actually cost more to execute someone than it does to lock them away for life. Rather than getting DA’s to lessen the charges against defendants I would suggest getting the defendants a better defense. Most defense lawyers are way over worked. Let’s also not forget DA’s like a high conviction rate so many who commit crimes simply walk or as you say plea bargain to get a lesser charge. There should be an independent group that looks for things like this and holds the DA accountable for stacking the deck against a defendant.
If a person from a bad neighborhood does well they leave most of this behind. Yes they are stilled followed in stores but as more join the ranks of the responsible things like that will occur less.
You will not get me to suggest that blacks and other minorities are not tread poorly in this country. That said once they decide to leave the world of being a victim things change dramatically for them. When asking Morgan Freeman if color played a big role in why blacks can't get ahead and if that's why their was so much income inequality, he responded not today. In the past yes but not today. He was asked that by another black man and he also said to him just look at you and me. It's not a problem for us.
Something I would add is the left helping those who behave badly to continue to do so. They do this every time they point to statistics that show a disproportionate amount of time a black is confronted for different reasons that whites. It is why I suggested to Fern that every time someone is shot we should print the face of those responsible for the shooting. If we did you would see a white face on occasion in a sea of color. If we showed their victims they to would represent a sea of color. So why then does the left complain when blacks get checked for guns more than whites?
What the left does from the safety of there community is deny the behavior within the community that perpetuates the police
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Gonna take it from the last post, here.
THGRRI
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Says who, I for one don’t believe a word that these witnesses say.
Save for the fact that multiple witnesses who didn't know each other or of each others presence corroborated that information, and it's worth noting in cases like this, especially ones where there's video, the police are more often the ones lying, a fact handily verified by CATOs police misconduct database.
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This would be damming evidence suggesting the cop lost it. If it’s true he was shot in the back and again when surrendering and again when he was down.
Which is why they've been so twitchy about the autopsy, cause there's really no way to sanitize that one.
SIGNYM
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I know that blacks are arrested and charged with more crimes, I'm not sure that they actually commit more.
Bingo, yet another aspect of white privledge folks forget, the blind eye, hands off, free pass they get - in certain neighborhoods mind, cause past a certain point of poverty race matters less.
Oh, and apparently that video the police flaunted, which might not even be Brown, *may* have been a personal confrontation having nothing to do with the store per se (meaning that the merchandise was likely paid for) - the owner of the store has clammed up behind his lawyer, which is a smart move, but it is known he did not file a complaint or call for service, which he damn sure would have (would have had to for insurance and other reasons) if there'd been robbery/shoplifting.
A call for service WAS placed, but by a customer and so far the content/context is unknown, so this might have been a personal spat deliberately misconstrued by the police as retroactive ass covering.
I feel for the shop owner though, clamming up and hiding behind his lawyer is the ONLY thing he can do - if he sides with the cops, the community will all but lynch him, and if he DOESN'T side with them, they'll harrass and intimidate him right out of business and likely out of town entire, that's a no-win situation.
Also, someone at MotherJones wrote up a really halfass bit on why someone might resist arrest, but it comes off as pathetic cause they're dancing around the actual issue.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/six-reasons-black-person-m
ight-resist-arrest-michael-brown-dante-parker-eric-garner
They touch on it a tiny little bit, but the salient fact of the matter is that once you're in their custody, you are in their power, all your resources come through that filter, you only get to communicate if they let you, and there's no firm assurance you will survive the process.
Add to that a blatant admission by the officer that they intend your death, resistance starts making a LOT more sense - if they're gonna beat you ANYWAY, if they're gonna kill you ANYWAY, it's only logical to fight.
Another point is looking at how these confrontations start, in most of these cases the officer fucked up, in my opinion, by entering someone elses personal space in an aggressive and threatening manner PRIOR to having probable cause to actually do so.
AND then escalated the situation instead of defusing it.
Marc MacYoung has a handy checklist of dumb-shit-you-don't-do, and it's appalling how often police officers go right down the list, full throttle.
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/get_attacked.htm
Me, I call that picking a fight under color of authority, and it's a sign of either piss-poor training, the WRONG training, or institutional corruption of a massive scale, because officers should be trained to DE-escalate situations, not provoke and escalate them.
Case One in point, just last night at roundabouts 12:14am, I spot four young black guys on bicycles - now there's been some petty theft around here recently by folk matching this description, just stuff people left lying out so more simply opportunism instead of anything planned, and all during the day...
I tell folk to secure their stuff, but what c
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