The Absolutes here on RWED are damaging my calm...

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:56 AM

A little tired of good/bad black/white us vs. them mentality here...

Firefly & Serenity explored shades of GREY, but more folk here than not choose to be fucking cheeleaders for their 'side'.

'Scuse me while I take a break from this nonsense. Imma watch Demolition Man for some centerist recharge...

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Who do you think are the the good v bad people?

Every long-term member on this site is intrinsically good IMO. Their individually entrenched views based on different life experience, personal pain & force-fed one-sided political indoctrination however, are a different matter.

I used to be a big fan of having no moderators; it set us free to blast away. But in other forums I belong to, those regulations set us free from extremist nonsense and force us to either support our positions responsibly or face being banned from the site.

RWED is like the world of Mad Max: all car wrecks all the time. No right or wrong, just velocity.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:28 AM

Not many here willing to risk calling some out. Besides it will just turn into a typical name calling thread. Still I would love to see if the reasonable confront the ideologues and take them on. At least in the sense of having them tone it down to attract new talent to the threads. These stubborn biased discussion threads are a real turn off.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Not many here willing to risk calling some out.

Are you kidding? That's ALL it is. Obama is evil, Bush was evil, Hamas is evil, Israel is evil... it goes on and on. No subtleties, no nuances, just blind obedience to one's side & total condemnation of the other. We have been divided, and in the process, conquered.
The only winners presently are our 1% overlords.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

SECOND

Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Not many here willing to risk calling some out. Besides it will just turn into a typical name calling thread. Still I would love to see if the reasonable confront the ideologues and take them on. At least in the sense of having them tone it down to attract new talent to the threads. These stubborn biased discussion threads are a real turn off.

Has no one here seen this cartoon and absorbed its message, which has been proven true billions of times daily? Your internet postings cannot change strange minds. It's like using thought waves on them. That doesn't work, either, because you are not a Jedi Knight.

Please don't change your mind based on cartoon reasoning. Be stubborn and strong.

Duty Calls
http://xkcd.com/386/

"What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Not many here willing to risk calling some out.
Are you kidding? That's ALL it is. Obama is evil, Bush was evil, Hamas is evil, Israel is evil... it goes on and on. No subtleties, no nuances, just blind obedience to one's side & total condemnation of the other. We have been divided, and in the process, conquered.
The only winners presently are our 1% overlords.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I am speaking about the personalities here. Not who or what topic they chose to post about but instead the hatred and misrepresentation of the truth in theirs posts. I thought that was what you were complaining about. Was it not?

THGRRI

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Not many here willing to risk calling some out. Besides it will just turn into a typical name calling thread. Still I would love to see if the reasonable confront the ideologues and take them on. At least in the sense of having them tone it down to attract new talent to the threads. These stubborn biased discussion threads are a real turn off.

Has no one here seen this cartoon and absorbed its message, which has been proven true billions of times daily? Your internet postings cannot change strange minds. It's like using thought waves on them. That doesn't work, either, because you are not a Jedi Knight.

Please don't change your mind based on cartoon reasoning. Be stubborn and strong.

Duty Calls
http://xkcd.com/386/

"What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Yes two I see and agree with your point. While I may walk, I hate to think I did not have my say as to what turned me off about posting here.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am speaking about the personalities here. Not who or what topic they chose to post about but instead the hatred and misrepresentation of the truth in theirs posts.

You miss the entire point of this thread.
It's all good though. Proves you're Human.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
A little tired of good/bad black/white us vs. them mentality here...

Firefly & Serenity explored shades of GREY, but more folk here than not choose to be fucking cheeleaders for their 'side'.

'Scuse me while I take a break from this nonsense. Imma watch Demolition Man for some centerist recharge...

What's wrong Chris.... did ya run out of different ways to say 'fuck you' to Auraptor? Is that's what's really behind your latest need for a 'centrist recharge'? Reminds me of what Shakespeare wrote ... "The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves."

Why not just admit the obvious truth? The 20 or so liberals here in RWED simply don't want any conservatives around, all 3 or 4 of us.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:40 AM

dumb conservative dbl

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Why not just admit the obvious truth? The 20 or so liberals here in RWED simply don't want any conservatives around, all 3 or 4 of us.

You miss the entire point of this thread. But it's all good. Proves you're Human.
Conservatives not dogmatically & divisively programmed have as much to offer in a discussion as Liberals similarly unconditioned. Science fiction tends to attract a progressive mindset, not regressive. It stands to reason that since Conservatives are a tad more motivated by fear tactics of the PTB than Liberals, they will be likely to face scorn from SF fans on a site like this one. However, the Liberal contingent fails in the reality department in regards to its overenthusiastic backlash to the Conservative fear motivation. One nearly cancels the other out.
And that is and always has been the plan.

"Glass? Who gives a shit about glass?"

Yippie kai-yay, motherfuckers.

MAL4PREZ

Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:15 AM

Ahh Chris. Are you really as lost as the rest of them... ?

Note that when asked who you think "bad" versus "good" you have provided no names.

Coward.

Are you really such a wimp? In recent times, the same times that I have noted sig going AWOL out of character soft and biased, I have noted you becoming similarly squishy.

You started this thread, you can't worm out of it. Be specific. Which posters do you find to be deeply flawed? Say it, or lose my respect the way that sig has.

I can be specific about which posters I doubt. Can you?

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:22 AM

And, can I ask a question here: How many of you have even watched Firefly/Serenity recently? I just did a marathon of my Firefly DVD's ending with my new Blu Ray of Serenity.
Has this place (RWED) simply become a site to conveniently spew unmoderated partisan hatred? Have you all forgotten what sparked this corner of the 'Verse? The examination of Humanity Joss rolled out?

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:29 AM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Note that when asked who you think "bad" versus "good" you have provided no names.

Disagreement with peeps acting like assholes is not the same as labelling real Human beings as good & bad. Yeah, I called AU a Nazi, but even Nazis were Human beings, subject to the pressures of the times and their flaws as people. You ask me to be making calls on peeps here as if I were God or something. I do no hold to that.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:44 AM

I don't see you as being capable of cohesive thought. You appear to be all over the map with what you say from one post to the next. Might be best if you reread what you said at the start of this thread, then elaborate or drop it if you must. I'm not trying to be insulting but you are not making much sense.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I don't see you as being capable of cohesive thought. You appear to be all over the map with what you say from one post to the next.

I'm currently in my Shaolin Monk phase. It's a quasi-Buddhist thing. Wait a couple of days & I might get back to my angry Humanist activist thing & call you some more names.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I don't see you as being capable of cohesive thought. You appear to be all over the map with what you say from one post to the next.
I'm currently in my Shaolin Monk phase. It's a quasi-Buddhist thing. Wait a couple of days & I might get back to my angry Humanist activist thing & call you some more names.

Not what I am looking for from you. Calm is better.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Not what I am looking for from you. Calm is better.

I don't see you as being capable of cohesive thought. I clearly stated my calm was damaged.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, August 7, 2014 1:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
A little tired of good/bad black/white us vs. them mentality here...

Firefly & Serenity explored shades of GREY, but more folk here than not choose to be fucking cheeleaders for their 'side'.

'Scuse me while I take a break from this nonsense. Imma watch Demolition Man for some centerist recharge...

Better idea - fire up Netflix.
They added the 2013 CGI Captain Harlock movie to their lineup last week.
Harlock being what it is, all shades of grey there, wrapped firmly around the notion of a kind of a personal respect and responsibility these folk wouldn't know if you beat them with it.

You'll feel a lot better.

-F

BYTEMITE

Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:36 PM

You know Mal4Prez, you really have started trolling the bejesus out of us. If I were here more often and still invested about what happens in this pit, I might even have been concerned at one time.

Now, all I feel is a kind of empty nihilism and a wish to watch everything fall to ruin. I salute you. From one troll to another: troll away.

But this board is utterly and completely toxic, and chris is right about the partisan madness, and you know it. Calling him a coward is indicative that you're under it's sway. Keep burning those bridges, just like I did when I went full on crazy because I felt "betrayed" by people on this board for some reason.

But as you told me, I was crazy, and you knew that because you'd done the same thing once upon a time. Surprise surprise, history repeats itself once again.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
the 2013 CGI Captain Harlock movie

Thanks man, I'll check it out!

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Keep burning those bridges, just like I did when I went full on crazy because I felt "betrayed" by people on this board for some reason.

No one can betray you. You betray yourself by trusting the untrustworthy. Everyone does it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 8, 2014 3:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am speaking about the personalities here. Not who or what topic they chose to post about but instead the hatred and misrepresentation of the truth in theirs posts.
You miss the entire point of this thread.
It's all good though. Proves you're Human.

Saw that coming.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 8, 2014 3:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Why not just admit the obvious truth? The 20 or so liberals here in RWED simply don't want any conservatives around, all 3 or 4 of us.
You miss the entire point of this thread. But it's all good. Proves you're Human.
Conservatives not dogmatically & divisively programmed have as much to offer in a discussion as Liberals similarly unconditioned. Science fiction tends to attract a progressive mindset, not regressive. It stands to reason that since Conservatives are a tad more motivated by fear tactics of the PTB than Liberals, they will be likely to face scorn from SF fans on a site like this one. However, the Liberal contingent fails in the reality department in regards to its overenthusiastic backlash to the Conservative fear motivation. One nearly cancels the other out.
And that is and always has been the plan.

"Glass? Who gives a shit about glass?"

Yippie kai-yay, motherfuckers.

You seem to lack comprehension regarding the various definitions of progressive, regressive, liberal, conservative - remember liberal on one continent means the opposite as on another, and same for conservative. Further mixing progressive with cerebral and political definitions blows you offplanet. This does, however, explain a lot about your views and posts.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 8, 2014 3:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
And, can I ask a question here: How many of you have even watched Firefly/Serenity recently? I just did a marathon of my Firefly DVD's ending with my new Blu Ray of Serenity.
Has this place (RWED) simply become a site to conveniently spew unmoderated partisan hatred? Have you all forgotten what sparked this corner of the 'Verse? The examination of Humanity Joss rolled out?

I've been looking for my Map of the Verse since my last viewing, so I'm kinda on hold until I find it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 8, 2014 3:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Not what I am looking for from you. Calm is better.
I don't see you as being capable of cohesive thought. I clearly stated my calm was damaged.

Saw that coming, as well.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 8, 2014 3:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Why not just admit the obvious truth? The 20 or so liberals here in RWED simply don't want any conservatives around, all 3 or 4 of us.

There are barely 20 people posting here. And of those I doubt there are many true liberals. Just hating and laughing at republiclowns does not make someone a "Liberal."

Jongs
AU
Whozit
Chris
G
Geezer
Byte
JSF
Signym
KPO
Magons
Agent
Kiki
THGGRI

Only occasionally:
MAL4
Frem
Two
ElvisChrist
Reaverfan
OldEngland
OONJ

Faulty Replican maths...

What!? I don't even rate an occassional or a maybe. Well, explains that when I talk I feel like I am seldom listened too.

From July 14 to Aug 1: 5 posts in 3 threads. Sometimes hard to find those.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, August 8, 2014 4:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Why not just admit the obvious truth? The 20 or so liberals here in RWED simply don't want any conservatives around, all 3 or 4 of us.

There are barely 20 people posting here. And of those I doubt there are many true liberals. Just hating and laughing at republiclowns does not make someone a "Liberal."

Jongs
AU
Whozit
Chris
G
Geezer
Byte
JSF
Signym
KPO
Magons
Agent
Kiki
THGGRI

Only occasionally:
MAL4
Frem
Two
ElvisChrist
Reaverfan
OldEngland
OONJ

Faulty Replican maths...

What!? I don't even rate an occassional or a maybe. Well, explains that when I talk I feel like I am seldom listened too.

Don't worry about it Brenda. "G" left out a lot of people, including you, SGG, and NOBC. "G"'s omissions were likely not personal, just part of a foolish and desperate attempt to attack my post.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, August 8, 2014 5:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You know Mal4Prez, you really have started trolling the bejesus out of us. If I were here more often and still invested about what happens in this pit, I might even have been concerned at one time.

Now, all I feel is a kind of empty nihilism and a wish to watch everything fall to ruin. I salute you. From one troll to another: troll away.

But this board is utterly and completely toxic, and chris is right about the partisan madness, and you know it. Calling him a coward is indicative that you're under it's sway. Keep burning those bridges, just like I did when I went full on crazy because I felt "betrayed" by people on this board for some reason.

But as you told me, I was crazy, and you knew that because you'd done the same thing once upon a time. Surprise surprise, history repeats itself once again.

Big difference: I'm not feeling personally attacked. I don't think anyone's doing anything here that has anything to do with me. It's not about me at all. It's about how mockage is all this board is now worth. I haven't seen anything like an honest, meaningful discussion here in a very very long time. Yeah, in the glorious (whatever!) old days we eventually got mad and stuff went down, but there was discussion happening here and there.

And by the way, Byte, I'm mocking, not trolling. Trolling is dishonest. Trolling is misleading other posters by stating things that you don't really think, deliberately misrepresenting yourself for the sole purpose of derailing threads.

I have not posted anything that isn't what I honestly feel.

For example: sig. She straightforward told me that she doesn't like Obama anymore so she has started always taking the "anti-liberal" stance. How is an honest, meaningful discussion possible with a brain like that? It isn't, so I won't try. I will only mock her and those who somehow continue to convince themselves that she's some bastion of reason.

sig logic: "I don't like Obama so I don't like libs so any evidence suggesting that Russia has been bad in the Ukraine must have been falsified!"

*facepalm*

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CHRISISALL

Friday, August 8, 2014 5:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You seem to lack comprehension regarding the various definitions of progressive, regressive, liberal, conservative [blagh blagh woof woof] This does, however, explain a lot about your views and posts.

I shall endeavour to care more about your views on correct labelling.

not

(you must have seen that coming)

ELVISCHRIST

Friday, August 8, 2014 9:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Why not just admit the obvious truth? The 20 or so liberals here in RWED simply don't want any conservatives around, all 3 or 4 of us.

Okay, you've got me. I don't want any conservatives around. Time to bring back the guillotin!

AURAPTOR

Friday, August 8, 2014 10:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELVISCHRIST:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Why not just admit the obvious truth? The 20 or so liberals here in RWED simply don't want any conservatives around, all 3 or 4 of us.

Okay, you've got me. I don't want any conservatives around. Time to bring back the guillotin!

The compassion of the Left.

SIGNYM

Friday, August 8, 2014 1:33 PM

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Not who or what topic they chose to post about but instead the hatred and misrepresentation of the truth in theirs[sic] posts.

Because you, of course, could NEVER be an ideologue!

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For example: sig. She straightforward told me that she doesn't like Obama anymore so she has started always taking the "anti-liberal" stance. How is an honest, meaningful discussion possible with a brain like that? It isn't, so I won't try. I will only mock her and those who somehow continue to convince themselves that she's some bastion of reason.

sig logic: "I don't like Obama so I don't like libs so any evidence suggesting that Russia has been bad in the Ukraine must have been falsified!"

That was a very personal response from someone who claims not to be personally involved!

Actually, MAL4, the evolution went something like this... in the depth of a historic meltdown, the worst since 1929, I think I was hoping for FDR, or at least a JFK. What we got was ... Obama. And what I found, after several years of dawning truth, was that there was a group of people who were still making excuses for Obama, despite the fact that he betrayed them many times. That the people who were still making excuses seemed to be as incapable of accepting uncomfortable facts as the right wing.

MAL4PREZ

Friday, August 8, 2014 2:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Actually, MAL4, the evolution went something like this... in the depth of a historic meltdown, the worst since 1929, I think I was hoping for FDR, or at least a JFK. What we got was ... Obama. And what I found, after several years of dawning truth, was that there was a group of people who were still making excuses for Obama, despite the fact that he betrayed them many times. That the people who were still making excuses seemed to be as incapable of accepting uncomfortable facts as the right wing.

Yadda yadda yadda.

The O disappointed you so now you blindly cling to anyone not O. I bet that's exactly what you accuse others of: "Hey," you imagine all us inferior stupid folks saying, "Obama's not Bush, so he's gotta be good and we'll love him forever no matter what!" Is that what you think? Wake up chickie. That's not what I'm saying or have ever said. I dare you to find anyone who has. Double dog dare.

You, on the other hand, continue to use that exact flawed approach, openly and without apology. "Hey, Putin's not Obama, so he's gotta be good!"

Every argument you have posted lately is 100% as lame as that. I know you and your yes-men buddies won't believe it, but I would own up to being wrong about you if I saw you making any kind of logical argument based on anything but your prejudiced bias - prejudice and bias that you openly and proudly admit and adhere to.

As you proudly proclaim, you now come into threads determined to take one side and not another. Implicit in that statement is your black/white mentality, your assumption that you have the ability and right to judge every poster to be "liberal" or "con" so you decide whether to support them or not - again, based purely on your bias and your hatred of O rather than the actual content of anyone's posts.

Can you come up with anything but: "Obama's so baaaaad!!!" to explain your so-called "logic"? After all your kvetching about "hard evidence" (as if such a thing is possible on an anonymous chat site), have you provided an ounce of it? A single thing that I can't dismiss as easily as you do - "it *could* conceivably have been falsified therefore it must be thrown away entirely and never more discussed."

That's all you've done. You've thrown away all evidence that counters your Obama hatred with no reason given besides your openly stated bias. It's just sad.

And you claim to be a scientist?

*even bigger facepalm*

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SIGNYM

Friday, August 8, 2014 9:45 PM

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Actually, MAL4, the evolution went something like this... in the depth of a historic meltdown, the worst since 1929, I think I was hoping for FDR, or at least a JFK. What we got was ... Obama. And what I found, after several years of dawning truth, was that there was a group of people who were still making excuses for Obama, despite the fact that he betrayed them many times. That the people who were still making excuses seemed to be as incapable of accepting uncomfortable facts as the right wing.- signy
Yadda yadda yadda.
The O disappointed you so now you blindly cling to anyone not O. I bet that's exactly what you accuse others of: "Hey," you imagine all us inferior stupid folks saying, "Obama's not Bush, so he's gotta be good and we'll love him forever no matter what!" Is that what you think? Wake up chickie. That's not what I'm saying or have ever said. I dare you to find anyone who has. Double dog dare.

You, on the other hand, continue to use that exact flawed approach, openly and without apology. "Hey, Putin's not Obama, so he's gotta be good!"

I have rarely discussed Putin, if ever. As you "double dog dare" me to find quotes of where you've excused Obama, I double dog dare you to find where I've even TALKED about Putin.

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Every argument you have posted lately is 100% as lame as that. I know you and your yes-men buddies won't believe it, but I would own up to being wrong about you if I saw you making any kind of logical argument based on anything but your prejudiced bias - prejudice and bias that you openly and proudly admit and adhere to.

First of all, I STAND ON MY PREDICTIONS. NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING... shows that someone understands the underlying forces at work except the ability to translate their model into a correct prediction.

I'm sorry to sound so absolute, but you're analytical, and you understand that at a gut level, or at least you should.

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As you proudly proclaim, you now come into threads determined to take one side and not another. Implicit in that statement is your black/white mentality, your assumption that you have the ability and right to judge every poster to be "liberal" or "con" so you decide whether to support them or not - again, based purely on your bias and your hatred of O rather than the actual content of anyone's posts.

No, I come into a thread believing that I have a handle on what is really going on, with evidence and predictions to back up my claims. That is a far higher standard than hating Obama or disliking liberals/ cosnervatives. And so far, neither you nor the right wing have been able to prove me wrong.

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Can you come up with anything but: "Obama's so baaaaad!!!" to explain your so-called "logic"?

Yes, it's called "logic" and "facts".

The USA spends more on the military than the next 15 nations combined, and those 15 include 14 of our allies. It is a fact that the right wing loves to trumpet: the unipolar world.

China, Russia, and Iran could form some sort of military alliance, and the depth of those nations' military spending wouldn't even get our combined allies' boot-tops wet. Seriously, MAL4, do the math. You'll reach the same conclusion.

Also,

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After all your kvetching about "hard evidence" (as if such a thing is possible on an anonymous chat site)

First of all, if you dismiss the role of verifiable evidence in real-world event discussions, then you've entirely forfeited the discussion to propaganda.

What separates posters like RAPPY from everyone else???

Evidence.

You either recognize that posters have a duty to bring it to the table and allow it to be savaged by the opposition, or you don't. If you don't, then you may as well drop out of "real world" di

THGRRI

Friday, August 8, 2014 10:12 PM

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….Sig
Actually, MAL4, the evolution went something like this... in the depth of a historic meltdown, the worst since 1929, I think I was hoping for FDR, or at least a JFK. What we got was ... Obama. And what I found, after several years of dawning truth, was that there was a group of people who were still making excuses for Obama, despite the fact that he betrayed them many times. That the people who were still making excuses seemed to be as incapable of accepting uncomfortable facts as the right wing.

It bothers me that I am always coming to the defense of the President but the extremes here constantly have me trying to pull them back into reality. Sig is apparently cranky because Obama after being elected turned out not to be a leftist extremist. (I am going to take a big hit from the right for that statement). Yet the right see him as just that.

Europe keeps clamoring he has disappeared off the world stage on one hand while complaining about all we do with the other. Once again we have the major players in the Middle East happy we are doing something against IS even though what is happening is a nightmare for Iran. For years now we have been hearing how we handed Iraq to Iran on a silver platter. Where is the world? Why don’t they turn their sanctimonious attitudes into action.

SIGNYM

Friday, August 8, 2014 10:24 PM

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It bothers me that I am always coming to the defense of the President but the extremes here constantly have me trying to pull them back into reality. Sig is apparently cranky because Obama after being elected turned out not to be a leftist extremist"

Do you remember ANY of Obama's promises? "Most transparent government"? Close Guantanamo? Change the way things are done?

What surprised me... took me totally off guard... was the depth to which Obama betrayed everything he campaigned on.

I remember his speeches, and I voted for him because (I remember thinking this very distinctly) every campaign is full of hyperbole and promises, but there is NO WAY that Obama the candidate could so thoroughly repudiate every promise he's made. That, heck, if he only did 15% of everything that he promised, we'd be far ahead.

Well, Obama managed to do exactly what I thought he couldn't, and his "base" is still following his trail.

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Europe

No

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keeps clamoring he has disappeared off the world stage on one hand while complaining about all we do with the other. Once again we have the major players in the Middle East happy we are doing something against IS even though what is happening is a nightmare for Iran. For years now we have been hearing how we handed Iraq to Iran on a silver platter. Where is the world? Why don’t they turn their sanctimonious attitudes into action.

"The world" is NOT with us, THUGR. You think they should feel some sort of "gratitude" for having been "protected" all of these years, but the reality is that we have most often protected the LEADERS, who quite often did not represent their people.

That is one of your mistakes, you think of people in broad swaths, and you conflate the leaders with everyone else. It doesn't matter how much whining you do about it when your expectations don't come true.

THGRRI

Friday, August 8, 2014 10:35 PM

I remember. I also realize that on the eve of his acceptance speech the Republicans gathered in a bar and came up with a strategy that entailed saying no to everything Obama wants to do. I can't stress enough they meant NO to everything.

At this point all I could have said to Obama is welcome to the real world. As for you all I can say is, welcome to the real world.

SIGNYM

Friday, August 8, 2014 10:51 PM

Nothing defines a person more than what they do when they think no one is looking. I define Obama for is what he did IN SECRET, when even the Repubs ... heck, even when the Democrats... didn't know what was going on. (NSA spying, TPP/TTIP negotiations, extra-judicial killing of citizens, foreign nation destablization and black ops, bank bailouts and bank bail-ins.) There are things he could do that are totally in his purview- like smacking down the vulture capitalists who are destabilizing Argentina- that he hasn't done.

And when he ran into Republican opposition, he often had 60 -80% of the people behind him (single payer/ public option; minimum wage increase). Are you trying to tell me that Obama's team can't parlay massive public support into a win?

If that's the case, there are several options and none of them good:

1) Obama is a sniveling coward
2) Obama's team is weak.
3) Obama's team is distracted from it's "real work" (besides representing the people).
4) The system is so totally screwed up that massive popular support doesn't mean much anymore, in this so-called democracy.

THGRRI

Friday, August 8, 2014 11:17 PM

Quote:
…Sig
Nothing defines a person more than what they do when they think no one is looking. I define Obama for is what he did IN SECRET, when even the Repubs ... heck, even when the Democrats... didn't know what was going on. (NSA spying, TPP/TTIP negotiations, extra-judicial killing of citizens, foreign policy and black ops, bank bailouts and bank bail-ins.)

All in our government and a lot of people outside our government knew what was going on within the NSA. Hell, Edward Snowden knew. There were hearings on this in congress before its inception. It was authorized by the Bush administration and by congress. Yes it grew but people to this day do not understand how it works and how a very small amount of people are affected. It is mostly information that passes through a filter and goes into storage with its fate to be determined later. Living in a world with atomic weapons and characters like IS running around, I for one am grateful for the program.

Quote:
….Sig
And when he ran into Republican opposition, he often had 60 -80% of the people behind him (single payer/ public option; minimum wage increase). Are you trying to tell me that Obama's team can't parlay massive public support into a win?

That’s exactly what I am saying. You do not understand how our government works. A few can block everything. 90% of the country wanted smarter gun laws when it came to background checks to no avail. That included over 80% of gun owners. I heard countless times how the Democrats held enough seats in the senate when Obama was first elected that he could have passed anything he wanted. Those saying that paid little attention to the fact that some of those Democrats held seats in very Republican districts and in no way would vote the way the President wanted. I to wanted single payer health care.

Quote:
….Sig

If that's the case, there are several options and none of them good:

1) Obama's team is weak. 2) Obama's team is distracted from it's "real work" (besides representing the people). 3) The system is so totally screwed up that massive popular support doesn't mean much anymore, in this so-called democracy.

No to 1, no to 2 and yes to 3.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You seem to lack comprehension regarding the various definitions of progressive, regressive, liberal, conservative [blagh blagh woof woof] This does, however, explain a lot about your views and posts.
I shall endeavour to care more about your views on correct labelling.

Your endeavorous actions are pathetically lethargic and lacking in authenticity.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And you claim to be a scientist?

*even bigger facepalm*

Your claims of being a scientist are more and more scary the more I think about it. Were you an affirmative action scientist?

CHRISISALL

Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Your endeavorous actions are pathetically lethargic and lacking in authenticity.

As Ripley said to an individual similar to yourself, I'm happy to disappoint you.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 9, 2014 11:18 AM

Quote:
1) Obama's team is weak. 2) Obama's team is distracted from it's "real work" (besides representing the people). 3) The system is so totally screwed up that massive popular support doesn't mean much anymore, in this so-called democracy. -signy

No to 1, no to 2 and yes to 3.-Thugr

So, it sounds like you don't think our democracy is working.

Obviously, you must hate America!

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, August 9, 2014 2:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
There are barely 20 people posting here. And of those I doubt there are many true liberals. Just hating and laughing at republiclowns does not make someone a "Liberal."

Jongs
AU
Whozit
Chris
G
Geezer
Byte
JSF
Signym
KPO
Magons
Agent
Kiki
THGGRI
ShinyGoodGuy
NewOldBrowncoat

Only occasionally:
Brenda
MAL4
Frem
Two
ElvisChrist
Reaverfan
OldEngland
OONJ

Faulty Replican maths...

Less than that, JSF is Rappy's sockpuppet, both Kwicko and Chrisisall were here and present when he admitted this after getting caught redhanded, and THGGRI is pretty obvious too, referencing threads that identity was not present or created prior to.

Which irritates me somewhat, when whole threads are little more than Rappy fellating himself with his sockpuppet, typical sick rightwingnut autoerotica, which is why, having better things to do, you don't see me around much any more.

-F

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 9, 2014 6:48 PM

Sounds like this administration isn't working. Prolly because it hates America .

@ Frem - who admitted to this ? Where exactly do you think " here " is ? If anyone " admitted " being a sock puppet , then please cite it. Really weird how you keep bringing up this " event " as if it took place in some real world location.

THGRRI

Saturday, August 9, 2014 7:59 PM

Quote:
…Fern
and THGGRI is pretty obvious too, referencing threads that identity was not present or created prior to.

Hey Fern nice to meet you. Try scrolling down to RWDT and clicking on more discussions. You’ll be surprised at what you find.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:19 PM

Yeah, we'll find M52 masquerading as THUGR.

THGRRI

Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, we'll find M52 masquerading as THUGR.

What ever you say 1kiki...

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:05 PM

Quote:
1) Obama's team is weak. 2) Obama's team is distracted from it's "real work" (besides representing the people). 3) The system is so totally screwed up that massive popular support doesn't mean much anymore, in this so-called democracy. -SIGNY

No to 1, no to 2 and yes to 3.-THUGR

So, it sounds like you don't think our democracy is working. Obviously, you must hate America!-SIGNY

Care to respond? Cause, yanno, I have a crap-ton of questions about YOUR belief that democracy in the USA no longer represents the will of the people.

THGRRI

Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Care to respond? Cause, yanno, I have a crap-ton of questions about YOUR belief that democracy in the USA no longer represents the will of the people.

Yes we are experiencing many problems within our system of governance that need addressing. Discussing them with someone who thrives on poking America or pushing an anti-American agenda is not particularly appealing to me.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:23 PM

Oh dear. You don't want to discuss our problems? You think that by recognizing our problems and thinking about solutions, that's being anti-American?

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:44 PM

Quote:
Oh dear. You don't want to discuss our problems? You think that by recognizing our problems and thinking about solutions, that's being anti-American?

Yup, apparently!

THGRRI

Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh dear. You don't want to discuss our problems? You think that by recognizing our problems and thinking about solutions, that's being anti-American?

Not what I said. Try again. You and 1kiki really need to learn to read.

SIGNYM

Saturday, August 9, 2014 11:27 PM

Still, you refuse to discuss your own statement that our democracy no longer represents the will of the people.

It would be too much to expect any sort of moral honesty from you.

THGRRI

Saturday, August 9, 2014 11:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Still, you refuse to discuss your own statement that our democracy no longer represents the will of the people.

It would be too much to expect any sort of moral honesty from you.

Again as in other threads Sig you need to pay attention. What I implied earlier was I understand this country has problems that need addressing. Yet discussing them with someone who attacks this country relentless and is not objective but instead subjective serves no point.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:41 AM

Still searching, Frem ?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Which irritates me somewhat, which is why, having better things to do, you don't see me around much any more.

-F

You promise?
Bye.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:11 AM

Yeah, typical. Make an outlandish claim he knows can't possibly be backed up, take another childish parting shot to insult, and then run away.

SOP for the likes of Frem.

Coward.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah, typical. Make an outlandish claim he knows can't possibly be backed up, take another childish parting shot to insult, and then run away.

SOP for the likes of Frem.

Coward.

Kinda like yellow-belly, or perhaps purple-belly. Next he'll say there are no Reavers around here - they don't exist.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 10, 2014 3:58 AM

THUGR, why should I pay attention to anything you say on the topic of freedom, when you're a tyrant-loving militarist who listens to jihadist-supporting nations?

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:50 AM

Quote:
….Sig
THUGR, why should I pay attention to anything you say on the topic of freedom, when you're a tyrant-loving militarist who listens to jihadist-supporting nations?

This is exactly was 1kiki does.

I never posted anything saying what you claim but when you get distraught you wind up posting shit like this. Many of your latest posts (in other threads as well) responding to me were heading in this direction. You have been answering my posts as though I was saying something else. Its subjective writing and something I pointed out about you and 1kiki a while ago. You do it because you have no good answer to what is being said back to you, so you pretend something else was said. No surprises here.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:25 AM

A brief summary of the views on RWED

Jongs - I hate libtards

AU - Islam is evil and I want to boff Sarah Palin

Whozit - Fucking Libtards. I hate Obama

Chris - Here is my latest awesome star wars model

G = Signy hates the US

Geezer - It's not as good as it was back in the day

Byte - I'm a psychopath no wonder you all hate me

JSF - Stupid libtards and use some energy supplements

Signym - I hate dems and repubs equally. US is responsible for a lot of shit in the world

KPO - I keep track of predictions to show how nutty the conservatives on this board are

Magons - Here is some totally irrelevant information about Australia

Agent - I'm going to shame you all with my significantly better use of english even though its my second language

Kiki - I'm going to confuse this thread by my lack of capacity to use quote codes

THGGRI - I'm going to jam up these threads with ad hominems

Brenda - I'm going come across as all reasonable and Canadian

MAL4 - I'm going to spew my sudden and explicable rage against Signy even though we've shared similiar views

Frem = I own guns and anyone who hurts kids is going to feel my vengence

6stringjack. I watch music videos and lots of porn and like to jack off

OldEngland - You Americans are just weird

OONJ - I like to talk about more personal and philosophical stuff

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:00 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Many here’s beliefs are convictions based on ideologies, ill perceived moralities, or values and viewpoints that are generally wrong. Because their thinking shows up as subjective in their posts, it is obvious they have preconceived concepts that do not match the facts so their thoughts drift. They express truths held not on facts but instead, who reported what fits into their beliefs or viewpoints. This has been shown to be the case over and over again here. At best, prejudices are careless oversimplifications. At worst, they reflect a narrow-minded view of the world. It is what I find myself dealing with most here. Some post partially what cannot be disproved or even contested in a rational or logical manner (to kill is wrong) therefore sending in troops is murder. Since beliefs are inarguable, they cannot serve as the thesis of a formal argument but you cannot make them understand that. I have witnessed G and some others try to no avail. Along with this, their posts are plastered with so called Profs. G has been trying to explain how he research's at many, and the most consistently accurate places. Most whom we deal with here are not capable of that for reasons I have already proposed.

You say I am based on ad hominies. For that to be true what I argue against in your mind must be correct and I must be wrong. It can’t work both ways. Either that or you just got a little full of your self in your last post. At any rate I am sorry to see you read what we all post and come up on the side of ideologies and preconceived notions are good.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:12 AM

MAGONS!

BLESS YOU!!

I laughed my ass off thru your post!

*wipes eyes*

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:29 AM

Quote:
I never posted anything saying what you claim but when you get distraught you wind up posting shit like this

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

THUGR, I'm just posting about you the same way that you post about me! You claim I "hate America", that I'm pro-Russian, and you've even questioned my nationality. And that's your "answer" to everything I post.

BTW- do you know what an ad hominem is?

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THUGR is a tyrant-loving pro-jihadist.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
MAGONSDAUGHTER

Many here’s beliefs are convictions based on ideologies, ill perceived moralities, or values and viewpoints that are generally wrong.

I'd say that everyone's beliefs are based on ideologies, morality, values and viewpionts and they all differ. If we dont share the same beliefs we accuse the other of being wrong.

Quote:
Because their thinking shows up as subjective in their posts, it is obvious they have preconceived concepts that do not match the facts so their thoughts drift. They express truths held not on facts but instead, who reported what fits into their beliefs or viewpoints. This has been shown to be the case over and over again here. At best, prejudices are careless oversimplifications. At worst, they reflect a narrow-minded view of the world. It is what I find myself dealing with most here. Some post partially what cannot be disproved or even contested in a rational or logical manner (to kill is wrong) therefore sending in troops is murder. Since beliefs are inarguable, they cannot serve as the thesis of a formal argument but you cannot make them understand that. I have witnessed G and some others try to no avail. Along with this, their posts are plastered with so called Profs. G has been trying to explain how he research's at many, and the most consistently accurate places. Most whom we deal with here are not capable of that for reasons I have already proposed.

I haven't seen much different from you to be truthful.

There was a thread here some time ago on cognitive dissonence and the need to find consistency in ones world view, which usually leads people to find information that backs up their belief system while they ignore facts that contradict it. I'd say we are all guilty of that here, some more than others, but basically views are fairly entrenched....on political issues at least. If you think YOU dont fall into that, you are fooling yourself son.

Quote:
You say I am based on ad hominies. For that to be true what I argue against in your mind must be correct and I must be wrong. It can’t work both ways. Either that or you just got a little full of your self in your last post. At any rate I am sorry to see you read what we all post and come up on the side of ideologies and preconceived notions are good.

My last post was an attempt at humour, ascerbic but lighthearted.

BTW Ad hominem means to attack the man (or woman) rather than address the argument. It doesn't mean you are right or wrong, but you've chosen to get personal rather than discuss the subject.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:45 PM

Quote:
….Magon
BTW Ad hominem means to attack the man (or woman) rather than address the argument. It doesn't mean you are right or wrong, but you've chosen to get personal rather than discuss the subject.

And that is exactly what I addressed. Sorry you could not follow my inference the personalities behind the posts are affecting the accuracy of what they are saying. That, along with the unreliability of the sources they chose to use. That being the case, it is only natural to shed light on that as the basis behind the flaw in their thinking. That is, if you are perceptive enough to realize it. Why constantly argue their posted propaganda instead of what makes them post what they do, as well as how they manipulate it to serve their purpose? To do the first is like a dog chasing its tail from thread to thread. To call them on it with precision reveals them and deflates the value of their claims. If the poster is not credible then what they post should be suspect.

I see the subjective parts of their posts. I see the links to sites that do not substantiate what it is they are claiming. I see the way they post responses to myself and others that misrepresents what was said previously. I see them use absolutes as a justification for why they are correct. I see the absurd or hateful conspiracies woven throughout their posts. Apparently when these manipulations are being directed at you, you do not comprehend them. I suggest you try and learn to understand the nuances of someone trying to manipulate you or a conversation because therein lies the truth.

As for your humor, it fell flat.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

AU - Islam is evil and I want to boff Sarah Palin

Mostly true on the first, but no, I don't have any interest in hooking up w/ a married woman.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:28 PM

Quote:
And that is exactly what I addressed. Sorry you could not follow my inference the personalities behind the posts are affecting the accuracy of what they are saying.

Since you have NEVER addressed the accuracy of what I was saying by actually addressing what I was saying, then all of your supposed inferences about my personality are simply ad hominens.

Quote:
That, along with the unreliability of the sources they chose to use.

Unreliability which you have not established either, so your point has not been made.

Quote:
That being the case, it is only natural to shed light on that as the basis behind the flaw in their thinking.

Flaw which you have failed to demonstrate.

Like most Americans, you apparently don't know how to have an actual discussion. Here, let me sketch one out for you:

-----------------------------
Speaker #1- I think that America is an empire. The reason why I say that is because we have military bases all over the world, and that is one of the hallmarks of an empire.

Speaker #2 - But empires are created to enhance the economies of their home nations. Just look at the British Empire, or the Roman Empire. The nations that we have bases in, or otherwise influence militarily, are more of a drain on our economy. We're just there to protect democracy.

Speaker #1 - Well, let's take a look at your first proposition and your examples. The benefits of empire didn't accrue equally to all British citizens, nor to the residents of Rome. At the height of both empires, there was a huge discrepancy in wealth.

As far as whether or not we are protecting democracy, many of the governments that we interfered with were democratically-elected, and we replaced them with military juntas, monarchies, or tyrannies.

Speaker #2- First of all, I contest your statements, I would like to see some reliable information on the topic. In addition, look at what we did for Japan and Germany.

----------------------------

See? Not an ad hominem nor an unsupported "inference" in there! Now that you know what a real adult conversation is like, do you suppose you might be able to have one?

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Ad hominem: THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:45 PM

You have selective memory Sig. I have shown you to be incorrect in your accretions many times. It is how I have been able to pick apart your statements as being false and move on. The next step was to show your motivations as to why you would post so consistently one sided and incorrect. First though, I had show you to be constantly wrong, which was easily done. So easy in fact I will go back to that for a while. And trust me I will make a point of reminding you what I am doing and why.

Brace yourself....

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:47 PM

Quote:
I have shown you to be incorrect in your accretions many times.

No, you haven't.

But please feel free to do so right here....

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Chris - Here is my latest awesome star wars model

Sorry Magons, you are in error. I do mostly Star Trek models.
hehehehehehe, that was hi-larious BTW!

CHRISISALL

Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I have shown you to be incorrect in your accretions many times. It is how I have been able to pick apart your statements as being false and move on.

What? Where was I? I read everything here and you've never even ONCE done that. You just plunk down an opinion or a vague quote and claim yourself the victor, just like AU does...
Silly silly British man.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
I have shown you to be incorrect in your accretions many times.
No, you haven't.

But please feel free to do so right here....

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

You lost this debate before it started. What will happen moving on is you will begin to post as you do on current events and then I will pick your so called facts apart. Remember it will be your interpretation of the facts that I will be addressing, and I know where to look to see where that interpretation comes from. I know exactly who else's interpretation it will match. This is going to be easy as it was in the past.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

You lost this debate before it started.

lol, this isn't a debate! You lost this argument before you used a brain cell.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

You lost this debate before it started.
lol, this isn't a debate! You lost this argument before you used a brain cell.

Do yourself a favor precious and avoid interrupting when adults are speaking. You're to easy a target.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:07 PM

Quote:
You lost this debate before it started. What will happen moving on is you will begin to post as you do on current events and then I will pick your so called facts apart. Remember it will be your interpretation of the facts that I will be addressing, and I know where to look to see where that interpretation comes from. I know exactly who else's interpretation it will match. This is going to be easy as it was in the past.

Please feel free to go back to the past (as you said you would) and re-post where you showed me I was wrong. I'd be willing to bet a fair sum that you never do, but would love for you to bring that info forward so that we could have a REAL discussion.

THUGR TO CHRISISALL

Quote:
Do yourself a favor precious and avoid interrupting when adults are speaking. You're to easy a target.

OOOOH! Another ad hominem!. Frankly, son, I'm not sure you could post without resorting to them.

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:22 PM

Quote:
….Sig
Please feel free to go back to the past (as you said you would) and re-post where you showed me I was wrong.

Ok Sig. Go back and show me where I said I was going to go back into the past and prove you wrong. This should be interesting because I said no such thing. It didn’t take two seconds for you to once again misrepresent me by making something up.

This is what I said:

Quote:
...Me
You lost this debate before it started. What will happen moving on is you will begin to post as you do on current events and then I will pick your so called facts apart. Remember it will be your interpretation of the facts that I will be addressing, and I know where to look to see where that interpretation comes from. I know exactly who else's interpretation it will match. This is going to be easy as it was in the past.

Two seconds to show how you misrepresent the facts. That has to be a record.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:27 PM

Quote:
Ok Sig. Go back and show me where I said I was going to go back into the past and prove you wrong....

and

Quote:
First though, I had show you to be constantly wrong, which was easily done. So easy in fact I will go back to that for a while

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I have shown you to be incorrect in your accretions many times. It is how I have been able to pick apart your statements as being false and move on.
What? Where was I? I read everything here and you've never even ONCE done that. You just plunk down an opinion or a vague quote and claim yourself the victor, just like AU does...
Silly silly British man.

Me to precious, I read to and have come to learn your reading comprehension skills are subpar. No surprise to me you haven't understood enough of what you read to see me doing that.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 10, 2014 11:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Ok Sig. Go back and show me where I said I was going to go back into the past and prove you wrong....

and
Quote:
First though, I had show you to be constantly wrong, which was easily done. So easy in fact I will go back to that for a while

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

Yes Sig, go back to proving what you post as facts to be false and based on bias subjective writing. Apparently you have selective times when you will be honest because you just got caughtt. It only took two seconds for you to get caught printing falsehoods about what someone else said and you won't own up to it. Well it doesn't matter because any one else who reads it, if honest, will see it for what it is. You can't be truthful.

Quote:
….Sig
Please feel free to go back to the past (as you said you would) and re-post where you showed me I was wrong.

How sad is that?

P.S. hey Chris, here you go. Me proving Sig wrong. Was that fast enough for ya? Do you get it or should I break it down for you?

THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:00 AM

Here you go Magon. When someone is making things up or spinning things that is where your focus should be. Not on the subjective writing that accompanies the falsehoods. like the insults made to distract. As though they serve some other relevant purpose you should pay attention to or even address.

SIGNYM

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:06 AM

Quote:
First though, I had show you to be constantly wrong, which was easily done. So easy in fact I will go back to that for a while

So, you DON'T intend to go back to where you showed me I was wrong?

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
First though, I had show you to be constantly wrong, which was easily done. So easy in fact I will go back to that for a while

So, you DON'T intend to go back to where you showed me I was wrong?

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

I never said I would waste my time going back. It is to easy to prove my contentions about you in real time as I just did. Which is actually what I said I would do in the first place.

Every thing about going back comes from you not me. It was a part of you misrepresenting what I said, remember?

SIGNYM

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:14 AM

Quote:
Every thing about going back comes from you not me.

And

Quote:
So easy in fact I will go back to that for a while

Is this not what you said?

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Every thing about going back comes from you not me.
And
Quote:
So easy in fact I will go back to that for a while
Is this not what you said?

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

I love your stubborn refusal to acknowledge your twisting of the truth. Do you really expect others to read what you are using a prof that I said I would go back into past threads to dig through old posts to prove you wrong? I will post what I said again. I defy you to show me were the words going back are in that statement.

Quote:
....Me

You lost this debate before it started. What will happen moving on is you will begin to post as you do on current events and then I will pick your so called facts apart. Remember it will be your interpretation of the facts that I will be addressing, and I know where to look to see where that interpretation comes from. I know exactly who else's interpretation it will match. This is going to be easy as it was in the past.

SIGNYM

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:20 AM

Well that's what you said. Maybe it's not what you meant. What did you mean?

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well that's what you said. Maybe it's not what you meant. What did you mean?

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THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.

I meant what I said...... Not what you tried to imply which is what you do. Two seconds Sig. You could not even break your pattern of printing falsehoods by misrepresenting what someone else said for two seconds, even though you knew I was waiting for it.

THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 12:38 AM

Paying attention Magon?

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 11, 2014 1:47 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

P.S. hey Chris, here you go. Me proving Sig wrong. Was that fast enough for ya? Do you get it or should I

Oh just shut the fuck up. You're an idiot.

And SHAME on you Signy for egging this moron on to look this desperate & stupid. You have much better things to do with your time.

THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 2:17 AM

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Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

P.S. hey Chris, here you go. Me proving Sig wrong. Was that fast enough for ya? Do you get it or should I
Oh just shut the fuck up. You're an idiot.

And SHAME on you Signy for egging this moron on to look this desperate & stupid. You have much better things to do with your time.

It was you precious who egged me on not Sig. You attacked and I reciprocated.

CHRISISALL

Monday, August 11, 2014 3:02 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

It was you precious who egged me on not Sig. You attacked and I reciprocated.

I am not programmed to respond in that area.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, August 11, 2014 3:28 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

And that is exactly what I addressed. Sorry you could not follow my inference the personalities behind the posts are affecting the accuracy of what they are saying. That, along with the unreliability of the sources they chose to use. That being the case, it is only natural to shed light on that as the basis behind the flaw in their thinking. That is, if you are perceptive enough to realize it. Why constantly argue their posted propaganda instead of what makes them post what they do, as well as how they manipulate it to serve their purpose? To do the first is like a dog chasing its tail from thread to thread. To call them on it with precision reveals them and deflates the value of their claims. If the poster is not credible then what they post should be suspect.

I see the subjective parts of their posts. I see the links to sites that do not substantiate what it is they are claiming. I see the way they post responses to myself and others that misrepresents what was said previously. I see them use absolutes as a justification for why they are correct. I see the absurd or hateful conspiracies woven throughout their posts. Apparently when these manipulations are being directed at you, you do not comprehend them. I suggest you try and learn to understand the nuances of someone trying to manipulate you or a conversation because therein lies the truth.

As for your humor, it fell flat.

Sorry you didn't like my attempt at humour.

Carry on with your pointless attacks.

THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 3:33 AM

You too.

MAL4PREZ

Monday, August 11, 2014 5:29 AM

Lol! Once again, sig/thug = the old sig/rap. With Chris playing the same supporting role. Can it be more obvious?

Magons: brilliant. And thank you for referring to my "sudden and explicable" animosity for sig. If you'd said inexplicable I'd be bugged, because I think I have explained it very well. Not that she groks it, but that's part of her SOP.

FYI thug: I've recently joined a site where they *demand* that noobs lurk for some time. As they put it: (30 - your age) = # of weeks you should lurk and learn the ins and outs so you don't make an ass of yourself. I guess that math wouldn't work for you, maybe (your age - 30)?

Point is: netiquette. You might try learning it.

I do enjoy my new site. Among other things, they stress making threads readable by having 1) short signatures with no annoying large image to scroll past 2) proper quoting of posts you're responding to, ie not quoting the whole damn thing causing more needless scrolling (you know who I'm talking to!) @poster is all that's required, not a full quote 3) short non rambling posts that can be easily absorbed 4) banishment to the *loser* forum if you prove yourself to be an ass.

Hmm. If we tried that last one here no one would be left on the regular boards.

Tschus y'all.

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What trolls reveal about themselves when they troll:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57532
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THGRRI

Monday, August 11, 2014 5:47 AM

Originally posted by MIKER:

Hey MAL4PREZ:

Mistakes do happen but not this time. When I did mistake your post for being hostel towards me, (the other post) you could have just pointed it out. After all you did recognize it as being a mistake and not directed at you? It does get a little confusing all these posts and all. So why did you respond the way you did????

I see with you, it is self praise your into. I love reading how you have my personality figured out. How you are so hip to me. So, your the groups psychoanalyst. I have enjoyed watching you slink in and out of conversations. Reappearing long enough to school the rest of us on our delusions or ignorance as perceived by you, only to disappear again. A bit of a narcissist huh.

"Again I can do nothing but point and laugh. I have not argued with "Miker" before tonight. On purpose. To flush you out".

This is a quote from you and appears to me to be narcissistic and even sadistic behavior. What do you think, your the expert?

"Sig undergoes an extreme change in personality after I poke her/it about her years-old symbiosis with Rap".

Another quote from you. You're so hip to us all. Yep, the psychoanalyst. I love the way you explain to the other participants in the thread what you are up to and how you have proceeded so brilliantly, because with you, that's what its really about is it not?

Which is why you have this link in your signature:

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57532
"Peer-reviewed scientific paper: Internet Trolls are Narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic".

Yeah, you have to show all how you are so brilliant and can stalk your victim coming in for the kill with your super wit to expose our psychosis. You pick something here someone said and pick something there someone said, because really, offering some new insight into the discussion is not what you are about. Coming to the rescue is. Trying to be everyone's champion is. After the setup of pretending to offer some new truth( which is usually little more than something you have cut and pasted ), you character assonate the one you have picked for that particular performance.

"Trolls are Narcissistic", and judging from what you have written in the posts I am responding to, I would say that title fits you just fine.

Your problem is, you have no arrows in you quiver.

Nope, not impressed at all.

"Again I can do nothing but point and laugh. I have not argued with "Miker" before tonight. On purpose. To flush you out".

That quote is pretty sadistic don't ya think? Both narcissistic and sadistic. Quite a combo.

My turn to flush you out. How do you like it? I waited for you to respond to this post in the other thread, but like I say above in this post, your style is to post and run, in and out. Your little quote here is just a small part of the smart ass posts about me in the other thread. Now this post will show up every time you send someone hear with your signature. You want to play, OK.

MAL4PREZ

Monday, August 11, 2014 7:12 AM

Let's review. Miker, the guy who in an instant deleted all his posts and thread titles and disappeared forever, is your hero.

LLLLOOOOSSSEERRRR forum for you pal!

LOL!

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What trolls reveal about themselves when they troll:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57532
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CHRISISALL

Monday, August 11, 2014 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
With Chris playing the same supporting role. Can it be more obvious?

What? That I support Signy & her quest for truth? I do. I don't agree with her every take on things 100%, but that she strives to understand the hidden agendas impresses me a great deal. Frem impresses me as well. Byte rocks frequently.
THUGGIE & Crappy seem the same to me; both so sure of themselves without a hint of humility. The hallmark of fear-induced pathological need to be correct at all times.

Sadly, YOU Mal4Prez seem to have lost it a bit since the old days when I nominated you to run this country (remember that?).
I have become a bit more angry & cynical my own self, so I guess I'm not really one to talk...

JONGSSTRAW

Monday, August 11, 2014 8:00 AM

"What they need's a damn good whacking!"

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