So, when I hear Iraq is being taken over by I.S.I.S. ...

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THGRRI

Monday, June 16, 2014 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Muslims killing Muslims ... does it get any better than this? And with thousands of them being summarily machine-gunned, and hundreds of 'em getting their heads chopped off, it's almost as good as the years of Syrian carnage or the season 4 finale of Game Of Thrones. Can't wait for the Iranians to start killing the Sunni ISIS so we'll at least have a little balance to the glorious spectacle.

Hey Obama, good plan ... Thanks! But don't you dare go all Nobel Prize humanitarian mushy now and interfere with this. Stay on the golf course.

I am sure everyone who knows you is as impressed with you as I am because of your unbridled concern for the Iraqi people and Muslims in general. Way to go.

si shen

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:37 AM

And the absolute BEST part of this wonderful Muslim slaughter is that the top commander of ISIS in Iraq was let out of Gitmo by Obama during his first term. Boy that Ba'raq can sure pick 'em! He's nobody's bitch!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657231/Revealed-Obama-RELEASE
D-warlord-head-ISIS-extremist-army-five-years-ago.html

This swell "poses no danger" ISIS guy is tweeting and instagramming that his fellow "pose no danger" pals are playing soccer during the World Cup using the heads of decapitated Iraqi soldiers and policemen as balls. I wonder if they shave the hair off the heads to provide a truer bounce. Severed arms, legs, and torsos as goal posts and sideline markers, I wonder if this could be a new career opportunity for old Baghdad Bob .... G O A L !!!

http://nypost.com/2014/06/13/iraqi-jihadists-joke-about-using-severed-
head-as-soccer-ball/

THGRRI

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 5:09 AM

The problem is that it is always up to us. The rest of the world likes to point out how young and inexperienced we are in America. To boast their history and prior experiences while they sit on their laurels. So satisfied with their own achievements that they make no effort to improve or protect the stability of their surroundings. Russia has invaded two countries and what are they doing to discourage this? What did they do in Bosnia? They waited for us to fix it. If we get it wrong they destroy us with the only thing they have to fight with, words. I exclude England from this analogy because where we go so do the Brits, and where they go so should we. Sorry about Iraq, what a bone headed move by Bush.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-runs-short-on-some-munitions-
in-libya/2011/04/15/AF3O7ElD_story.html

Well Europe is a mess and while I think it only right they enjoy the World Cup, how about a little consideration for cleaning up their own back yard.

What happens in the Middle East is the world’s problem and they need to get up and going. If they don’t like what we are doing I am sure we will step back and observe the professionals at work. I see many posts by the same few about the way Obama is handling this. I weigh their posts against the thoughts of those who have been studying and writing about this region of the world for years. What I see with those few here is nothing more than petty politics.

si shen

STORYMARK

Tuesday, June 17, 2014 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, it occurs to me.... the occupation of Iraq by ISIS ... this might BE Obama's foreign policy. I know that the admin was never too enthralled by Prime Minister al-Maliki, who refused to sign an agreement of forces (I believe it's called), which would have allowed a residual US force in Iraq. That's ONE way to dump an uncooperative foreign leader... bring in the replacements! I think what will happen is that in effect Iraq will be partitioned, except rather than being partitioned into three (Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shias in the south) the north (and its oil) will be taken over by the Sunni ISIS. With all of the attendant blood-letting.

SO don't expect Obama to do much about this; as awful as it looks, it's prolly all part of the plan.

Wow.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:37 PM

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SIGNYM
Another potential piece of evidence is how the USA responds... if our government does not engage in robust pushback, and/or does not ask Iran for help... then perhaps this is another piece of evidence that ISIS is not entirely unwelcome.

Just another piece of your logic that shows you have no real understanding of what is what in the Middle East and why we respond the way we do. If we do not jump into this it is because of the message it would send to Sunni’s across the Middle East. That we side with the Shiites. Not because we welcome ISIS. If we do jump in it is because Maliki started working with the Sunni offering them a more inclusive role in government, or because we needed to do some things selectively to protect our interests in the region. Kind of a no choice thing.

si shen

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 19, 2014 6:36 PM

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You have no idea if the US tacitly approved or not, nor will you know if we do anything or to what extent. Some things don't end up on the internet.

But many things do. One of the points I DIDN'T bring up is that the USA has a training center in Jordan for Syrian "rebels", which included ISIS. Additionally, there is strong evidence that the USA CIA knew, approved of, and facilitated the shipment of arms from Libya to Syria. I don't put EVERYTHING I know online. There's a limit to the amount of time I have to post and the time you're willing to spend reading. You would be much better served by using giburu or ixquick and looking for weapons+syria+libya+cia or similar and finding this out for yourself. It's not hard, and you're an intelligent person, so rather than letting the media tell you the story it prefers you should be your own news-hound. In general, I find globalresearch.ca to be an interesting source. They don't get everything right, but they do far better analysis than the western mainstream press.

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 19, 2014 6:45 PM

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Just another piece of your logic that shows you have no real understanding of what is what in the Middle East and why we respond the way we do.

It's all about oil and the petrodollar

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If we do not jump into this it is because of the message it would send to Sunni’s across the Middle East. That we side with the Shiites.

Because... just think of the OIL and the petrodollar!

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Not because we welcome ISIS.

We will, if they export oil and take dollars!

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If we do jump in it is because Maliki started working with the Sunni offering them a more inclusive role in government, or because we needed to do some things selectively to protect our interests in the region. Kind of a no choice thing.

Yanno, we threw up a pretty good blockade on Iran, and one of the most effective things we did was a bank blockade. ISIS would get nowhere if the bank accounts stolen from Mosul were frozen, and the oil production facilities normal money xfer mechanisms were blocked. After that, their only source of income would be their Saudi friends, which BTW DO send a lot of $$$ to jihadists everywhere (except Saudi Arabia, of course)

THGRRI

Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:10 PM

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signym
But many things do. One of the points I DIDN'T bring up is that the USA has a training center in Jordan for Syrian "rebels", which included ISIS.

Your nuts. You are absolutely clueless about what our objective is when it comes to the Middle East. We want stability. It means cheaper Oil. We don’t care who runs what so long as there is stability. With nuts like ISIS peace is not possible. As we trained the Afghani army some Taliban fighters would infiltrate the ranks. It is near impossible to tell. Shit happens, but to suggest we trained ISIS fighters to become ISIS shows a complete lack of understanding, a hidden agenda or that you are simply nuts.

Personally I think you are nuts. I think you must be damaged goods who finds the worst and a hidden agenda in everything. Nothing is what it seems and all are lying all the time.

si shen

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:28 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

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signym

But many things do. One of the points I DIDN'T bring up is that the USA has a training center in Jordan for Syrian "rebels", which included ISIS.

Your nuts. You are absolutely clueless about what our objective is when it comes to the Middle East. We want stability. It means cheaper Oil. We don’t care who runs what so long as there is stability. With nuts like ISIS peace is not possible. As we trained the Afghani army some Taliban fighters would infiltrate the ranks. It is near impossible to tell. Shit happens, but to suggest we trained ISIS fighters to become ISIS shows a complete lack of understanding, a hidden agenda or that you are simply nuts.

Personally I think you are nuts. I think you must be damaged goods who finds the worst and a hidden agenda in everything. Nothing is what it seems and all are lying all the time.

si shen

I think you nailed it. She is nuts.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 19, 2014 9:52 PM

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signym
You would be much better served by using giburu or ixquick and looking for weapons+syria+libya+cia or similar and finding this out for yourself. It's not hard, and you're an intelligent person, so rather than letting the media tell you the story it prefers you should be your own news-hound.

You say rather than letting the media tell you the story go to gibiru or ixwuick as though they give you insights into better reporting. They are search engines and report nothing. They are like Google or Bing only they claim to protect your privacy. Once there you are searching media. I think you are reading some very heavy propaganda. Again you offer up something as though it is something it is not. You suggest the CIA is giving arms to some Syrian rebels like it is some great insight. The president said he was offering assistance and who doesn’t know we are helping with arms. We are keeping it to small arms because we are not sure who is who. The news and reputable sources on the internet tells us all they know of what is going on. The reporters on the ground there tell us what is going on.

You are what we who know the street call an easy mark. You have what we call a tell. It is your complete infatuation with conspiracy and portraying the United States in a bad light. We would take that and lead you around by the nose with it. I could do it here but it would confuse the others. Serf ice it to say I would feed your posts back to you as being brilliant and this would allow you to feel safer and reveal more of the lunacy about your ideas and thoughts.

You imagine that everything we think we understand about how the world works is, in fact, an elaborate hoax. Democracy is a sham designed to fool us into believing we are in control. That a small group of unknown, unaccountable elites is actually pulling the strings and pretty much deciding the course of history; everything from the world economy and the conduct of nations to the media and pop culture is under their complete control. Anyone who says otherwise has either been fooled by the conspiracy or is an agent of disinformation. It is your underlying lack of trust; you see conspiracies behind everything and are simply projecting your own jaded view of the world onto events. The only thing missing is implying we all suffer from mind control and our thoughts are not our own.

si shen

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