Tats

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WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 10:38 AM

DEAR ABBY: I have an attractive friend who was bypassed for a front-office promotion. "Miranda" is pleasant, clean, efficient, energetic and had the same qualifications as the individual who was promoted. A management team member confided that the reason for Miranda's lack of advancement "might" be due to the numerous tattoos -- difficult to cover -- on her arms and wrists, which the manager said isn't the image the business wants to convey.

Is this discrimination? I think it's unfair because Miranda is a good worker. She keeps asking me if I have any ideas why she was bypassed. Should I tell her? I don't want to violate the manager's faith in my confidentiality, even though I will be retiring soon. -- LOYAL FRIEND IN MASSACHUSETTS

DEAR LOYAL FRIEND: Your friend's obvious tattoos prevent her from presenting the corporate image your employer prefers be conveyed to clients who visit the front office. To my knowledge, people with tattoos are not members of a protected class, which would put an employer at risk for a discrimination suit.

Because Miranda continues to ask why she wasn't promoted, and you have nothing to lose by telling her what you were told, I think you should level with her. She might prefer to work at a company where her chances for advancement aren't stymied.

Ok, this is a Dear Abbey for today, and I'm going to use it to illustrate a point. Judging people by the tats they have should be wrong, but it happens everyday. You can take a stand against your current employers, you can not get them where they can be seen, or you can move on to a more open minded or less visible position...

It's like with rape... You can wear clothes that don't attract rape-y twits, you can wear the clothes you want and deal with the threat yourself, or you can wear something NOT revealing and have some self defense training.

They are all choices we make based on society and how it will treat us in all probability.

Based on the fact there are an average of 30,000 rape based pregnancies in THIS country EVERY YEAR, what decision do you make? Pretend that men should be able to exercise self control and possibly get raped, or realize that they quite frequently DON'T have self control, and take steps to counteract what you know to be true??

1KIKI

Monday, June 16, 2014 11:12 AM

"You can wear clothes that don't attract rape-y twits"

Used to work down the hall from the county ER where the rape victims were taken. I got the rape kits for safe keeping under secured storage and under chain-of-custody. The victims were very old to very young, in all kinds of clothes, including those oh so sexy down jackets, jeans, and boots in winter.

You're full of shit.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

AURAPTOR

Monday, June 16, 2014 4:04 PM

Quote:
It's like with rape...

So... choosing to ink up your skin is like being physically attacked and violated ?

" If she weighs as much as a duck, then she's made of wood...

( and therefore ? )

A WITCH ! "

AGENTROUKA

Monday, June 16, 2014 4:40 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
It's like with rape... You can wear clothes that don't attract rape-y twits, you can wear the clothes you want and deal with the threat yourself, or you can wear something NOT revealing and have some self defense training.

They are all choices we make based on society and how it will treat us in all probability.

Based on the fact there are an average of 30,000 rape based pregnancies in THIS country EVERY YEAR, what decision do you make? Pretend that men should be able to exercise self control and possibly get raped, or realize that they quite frequently DON'T have self control, and take steps to counteract what you know to be true??

1) Depending on the circumstances, what clothing you wear and "some self-defense training" will have little to no impact on whether you become the victim of rape or not. Rapes aren't generally "stranger danger" type attacks where some helplessly aroused male lurks in the bushes because a woman wore a short skirt.

2) Trying to draw that comparison is a pretty uncomfortable stretch. You compare impeded job andvancement with a physical assault.

3) You keep creating this false dichotomy. It's NOT "make safe choices OR presume men to have self-control". It's about both. Whether or not a woman engages in risky behavior doesn't affect how wrong the crime against her is. That is the point. People have the right not to be raped. How risky their behavior is, is ultimately irrelevant to whether or not I am allowed to be angry if a person is sexually assaulted.

What you are trying to do by shifting all the responsibility on women is to silence women who complain, silence conversation about this crime. You pretend you're not victim blaming, but you are doing exactly that.

"Men can't help it. If you get yourself raped by being stupid, don't you dare complain about it, because you won't be worth listening to."

Your attitude makes women no less unsafe than any careless behavior could.

It's really quite sickening.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, June 16, 2014 6:20 PM

Since we're on the subject of rape here, and having to endure more of Wish's ill formed views on responsibility, here's a thought for today -

rape is not about physical lust and being unable to control it, it's about asserting power and control over another person's body. That's what the rapist gets off on.

So whether it's your date "you don't get to say 'no' to me" or a stranger "I can do what I like to whoever I like" that's the mentality involved.

It's not about what you wear or what you look like, because its not about uncontrolled physical attraction. That's why rape victims can be babies through to elderly people.

None of which bears any relationship to passing judgement on people who have tatts.

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:35 PM

Wow, four people who don't get what an analogy is...at ALL.

Tattoos have nothing to do with rape, it was all about how society SEES YOU.

And of course, I was not referring to people who cannot defend themselves....That is quite possibly the dumbest comment EVER.

And yeah, it does have to do with what you wear and how you present yourself and how YOU decide to handle the world around YOU. I wouldn't ever blame anyone for being raped, I am saying there are things you can do to lessen the chances of being in that situation.

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:39 PM

Well, I have learned an important lesson. When it comes to rape, some people see every comment about it as inflammatory, lose any sense of logic or objectivity and go a little nutty

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:46 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"You can wear clothes that don't attract rape-y twits"

Used to work down the hall from the county ER where the rape victims were taken. I got the rape kits for safe keeping under secured storage and under chain-of-custody. The victims were very old to very young, in all kinds of clothes, including those oh so sexy down jackets, jeans, and boots in winter.

I was mistaken for a prostitute once in a dumpy old ski coat, ugly pine tree sweater, mom jeans, and Napoleon Dynamite boots. This with no cosmetics, because makeup is stupid and causes cancer, and my generally hairy mannish face. Was it the acne, flat-chest, thunder thighs, patchy chin whiskers, unibrow, and thin pedo-stache you think?

Apparently truckers are really hard up.

I was wearing a similar outfit one night in the winter when a drunk guy accosted me after asking directions and I just wanted to go home. Appearance has nothing to do with anything, and no one but narcissist douchebags in love with their own reflection and perhaps crazed by their own middling position of insignificant power give any kind of shit what anyone wears or does to themselves.

So, evidence continues to accumulate for my "Wish is doing this for attention theory." Otherwise she wouldn't feel the need to start another rape thread when Jack already made a perfectly good one (also solely for attention and maybe a cry for help) that's a hundred posts long without even a topic change. Lawls, this is pretty funny.

Ahaha, excellent, let's wreck shit. This board got too nice and get-along gang in Miker's wake. I love burning bridges, they smell so woodsy. Except those modern ones, they smell like asphalt and tar and yelling.

SECOND

Monday, June 16, 2014 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Ok, this is a Dear Abbey for today, and I'm going to use it to illustrate a point. Judging people by the tats they have should be wrong, but it happens everyday. . . .

Getting back to tattoos, a Jayne tattoo means mentally unbalanced, while a Serenity tattoo means centered and calm. Choose wisely, for you shall be judged by your tattoos.
http://phoenix-cry.deviantart.com/art/I-ve-been-out-geeked-418546734

www.reddit.com/r/firefly/comments/286qo3/my_new_serenity_tattoo/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AGENTROUKA

Monday, June 16, 2014 8:26 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
So, evidence continues to accumulate for my "Wish is doing this for attention theory." Otherwise she wouldn't feel the need to start another rape thread when Jack already made a perfectly good one (also solely for attention and maybe a cry for help) that's a hundred posts long without even a topic change. Lawls, this is pretty funny.

Ahaha, excellent, let's wreck shit. This board got too nice and get-along gang in Miker's wake. I love burning bridges, they smell so woodsy. Except those modern ones, they smell like asphalt and tar and yelling.

Hmm. I guess I'll withhold judgment on that until Wish confirms your theory. I'd prefer it to be true, to be honest.

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