So, when I hear Iraq is being taken over by I.S.I.S. ...
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I wonder - for all our spying and snooping into intl emails and telephony, did our intelligence agencies not see this coming?
And - hmmm. Very short-sighted to think that what happens in Iraq stays in Iraq. It's exactly that short-sighted thinking that had you shitting bricks on 9/11.
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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Quote:Please carefully read what I wrote.
First when you are referring to giving arms to those in Afghanistan who were fighting the Soviets. They were not quite Al Qaida yet. Not even close.
First of all, the Afghanis that we gave arms to called themselves "mujahideen" or "jihadists". These mujahideen eventually became warlords. However, fighting with the mujahideen (and using some of the same shoulder -fired Stinger missiles that we gave them) were...
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Many Muslims from other countries assisted the various mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. Some groups of these veterans became significant players in later conflicts in and around the Muslim world. Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organizer and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen
Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets
Quote:Well. We took a secular, stable, prosperous nation where women had equal rights and people were educated and turned it into a clusterfuck of poverty, factional fighting and jihadism. You're right- that was a GREAT thing! [/snark]
Yes we helped topple Qaddafi. That was a good thing despite what you believe.
Quote:I substantiated all that with my first posts. I'm not about to do it all over again just for you. But hre is something of more recent vintage
The rest of what you say is no more than unsubstantiated ramblings.
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US Weapons for Al Qaeda: Saudi Arabia to Supply Syria Terrorists with Anti-Aircraft Missiles
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wsj-report-saudi-arabia-to-supply-us-paid
-syrian-insurgents-with-anti-aircraft-missiles/5368960
Also
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After the Benghazi attack, there were public reports of Libyan arms, including these types of anti-aircraft missiles, being smuggled to the Syrian resistance fighting Bashar Assad’s regime.
On September 14, 2012, three days after Stevens was killed, Sheera Frenkel, a correspondent for the Times of London, reported from Antakya, Turkey:
A Libyan ship carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria since the uprising began has docked in Turkey and most of its cargo is making its way to rebels on the front lines, The Times has learnt.
Among more than 400 tonnes of cargo the vessel was carrying were SAM-7 surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), which Syrian sources said could be a game-changer for the rebels.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/349231/%5Btitle-raw%5D-jim-gerag
hty/page/0/3
If you don't believe me, you can look it up for yourself. If you don't look it up for yourself, you can remain in ignorance.
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Yanno, it occurs to me.... the occupation of Iraq by ISIS ... this might BE Obama's foreign policy. I know that the admin was never too enthralled by Prime Minister al-Maliki, who refused to sign an agreement of forces (I believe it's called), which would have allowed a residual US force in Iraq. That's ONE way to dump an uncooperative foreign leader... bring in the replacements! I think what will happen is that in effect Iraq will be partitioned, except rather than being partitioned into three (Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shias in the south) the north (and its oil) will be taken over by the Sunni ISIS. With all of the attendant blood-letting.
SO don't expect Obama to do much about this; as awful as it looks, it's prolly all part of the plan.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, it occurs to me.... the occupation of Iraq by ISIS ... this might BE Obama's foreign policy. I know that the admin was never too enthralled by Prime Minister al-Maliki, who refused to sign an agreement of forces (I believe it's called), which would have allowed a residual US force in Iraq. That's ONE way to dump an uncooperative foreign leader... bring in the replacements! I think what will happen is that in effect Iraq will be partitioned, except rather than being partitioned into three (Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shias in the south) the north (and its oil) will be taken over by the Sunni ISIS. With all of the attendant blood-letting.
SO don't expect Obama to do much about this; as awful as it looks, it's prolly all part of the plan.
SIGNYM if you go into each case scenario looking for something you will find it through imagined fantasies. You have the unfortunate habit of letting your conspirist side dictate what the information you gleam means. If you expect foul play by this country (as you appear to do) you will see it. Real or illusory.
si shen
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The reason why I see foul play by this country - like shipping arms to al Qaida in Libya and Syria - is because we do it so often.
AFA ISIS (or ISIL) is concerned, we'll know which way their flag blows by observing whether or not they attack Israel or Saudi Arabia itself. Because that's one thing the original al Qaida never did... attack Israel or Saudi Arabia.
Since ISIS didn't attack Israel while they were in Syria (and Syria shares a border with Israel) 
I don't see that ISIS would attack Israel even less conveniently from Iraq. But this issue needs kept in mind for observation. It would be interesting if Iraq is de fact divided, and if Israel and Saudi Arabia remain unmolested. I would take it at that point to be strong evidence that ISIS is a convenient tool of USA foreign policy.
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SIGNYM you clam we do things without prof and or misrepresent, why we do what we do. I think the world is too complicated for you to grasp. Why do I say that? Because your approach to why this or that is being done never changes, while what is being done and why is always in flux.
si shen
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Siggy, Medusa's older uglier sister, slithers along on her slimy belly right into the unwashed arms of the terrorists she loves so dearly.
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Quote:And yet, you're the one who reduces the world to the simple concept of USA good, everyone else bad, who refuses to encounter our history, and who also refuses to consider various alternatives and explanations. For example, the idea that ISIS may be a tool of our foreign policy... I put that out as an idea, not a conclusion, but I also added what I think we could be looking for in terms of evidence. I'm sorry, child, but the person who seems to want to keep things simple is you.
I think the world is too complicated for you to grasp
Quote:The reason WHY the USA does this or that hasn't really changed in the past 20 years; it's all about "full spectrum dominance" and total world control.
Because your approach to why this or that is being done never changes, while what is being done and why is always in flux.
But if you think I'm harsh about the USA, you should ask me sometime what I think about China and Russia. I can be pretty critical of them too.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:And yet, you're the one who reduces the world to the simple concept of USA good, everyone else bad, who refuses to encounter our history, and who also refuses to consider various alternatives and explanations. For example, the idea that ISIS may be a tool of our foreign policy... I put that out as an idea, not a conclusion, but I also added what I think we could be looking for in terms of evidence. I'm sorry, child, but the person who seems to want to keep things simple is you.
I think the world is too complicated for you to grasp
Actually that is what you do. Ignore everyone else, USA bad. Reread what you post. It is right there to see.
si shen
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I added more to my post about China and Russia. I have criticisms of them, too- particularly China. But we weren't talking about China or Russia in this thread.
And the point remains that... the point remains... about the Saudi's and our support of al Qaida, and whether ISIS is our tool or a real splinter group that even the Saudi Royal family should worry about. (You see? I can be critical of Saudi Arabia too! 
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