I bet this wouldn't have happened if she was wearking a burkah...

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:14 PM

Oops. Big fail.

Rappy can't distinguish between feelings and actions.

Like to find an occasion when someone was found guilty of assault for having feelings.

SIMONWHO

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:34 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Does anyone really deny this though ? I mean, you go the first part right, 'bout making it obscure. Rape use to be called Rape. Now it's called 'assault' which also includes all manner of unwanted contact.

Basically, any man who had 'bad , adult feelings ' for a female, and she didn't want those , from him, is now an assault.

Rape is still called rape. Sexual assault is so labelled as to distinguish it from the sort of assault where you're trying to bash the other person. And to imply that men are simply unable to resist touching a woman dancing in front of them when scantily clad is an insult to our gender.

Why is it important? Because it makes it clear that there's a line and that line is you're not allowed to grab, spank or squeeze a woman's body (or a man's) without her consent. Dancing to music isn't consent (sad that this needs to be spelled out), no matter what her outfit. Do you think she was giving consent to everyone in the crowd to grab her backside? Of course not.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Welcome. How did you find this site? Have you been here before? THGRRI? Does it stand for Trolls Have Gorram Repeat Responsibility Indefinitely? And which American way? The radical Tea Party one? The downtrodden masses one? The elitist we-know-what's-best-for-you Left or Right one?
See, timing is everything, and apparently you will pan out as nothing.
Very weak try at a new ident.

*snort. Sorry, that's a bit funny.

As to the rest of the argument, I'm a bit known for my lack of faith in humanity. See, if you live in the bad side of town and you leave your door unlocked *GUESS WHAT* eventually yer stuffs gonna get pinched. You can blather on about society and it's responsibility, but at the end of the day it's up to YOU to look out for YOU. Same goes for the girl. We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES. I recommend a layer of clothing BIGGER than a couple inches on all relevant parts, and some self defense training, so that when a guy grabs your ass you can sidle up to him, smile and THEN knee him in the crotch! Then you've taught that guy a valuable lesson to keep his dirty hands to himself...PRICELESS!

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:48 PM

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One of my coworkers - a brilliant young man - had a serious drinking problem.

My uncle, not a brilliant young man and pretty screwed up with drug use, alcohol, and a number of perversions, had a serious drinking problem.

My dad and his mother found him face down on the floor of his kitchen. He had been dead for two days before anyone thought to look for him.

That's why we have his cat now.

My other grandmother lived through a quintuple bypass, multiple car wrecks, a couple hospital induced morphine overdoses. She had a serious drinking problem.

We begged her to quit, and for a while, it seemed like she had. But she developed dementia, which began to get worse and worse. Eventually, she had a stroke, and for two months we had to take care of her while she couldn't sleep though the night, didn't know where she was, she was terrified, and she also peed on all of our furniture in her confusion.

Her feet started turning purple and necrotizing from yet more blood clots. We took her to the hospital, and while we were trying to figure out whether to amputate her affected limbs because they were rotting and getting gangrene, she died. She died unhappy, troubled, befuddled, and in pain.

As it turned out, we later found two ginormous bottles of vodka in her closet, one was almost empty. The alcohol had interacted with the heart medication she was on, causing her dementia and the blood clots.

*Pointed look at Jack*

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:02 PM

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It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dance on a speaker at a concert in Stripper Gear without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

Hey six, if you got drunk and stripped down to your boxers, and they became a bit dislodged in the commotion, and an ugly girl took the opportunity to grab your ass, would you be happy about that?

Or what if it was a guy? Would you be happy about that? Would you just quietly accept that his horny behaviour was a natural consequence of you acting and dressing like that?

I apologize in advance if it turns out this question isn't hypothetical and that has actually happened to you before.

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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One of my coworkers - a brilliant young man - had a serious drinking problem.

My uncle, not a brilliant young man and pretty screwed up with drug use, alcohol, and a number of perversions, had a serious drinking problem.

My dad and his mother found him face down on the floor of his kitchen. He had been dead for two days before anyone thought to look for him.

That's why we have his cat now.

My other grandmother lived through a quintuple bypass, multiple car wrecks, a couple hospital induced morphine overdoses. She had a serious drinking problem.

We begged her to quit, and for a while, it seemed like she had. But she developed dementia, which began to get worse and worse. Eventually, she had a stroke, and for two months we had to take care of her while she couldn't sleep though the night, didn't know where she was, she was terrified, and she also peed on all of our furniture in her confusion.

Her feet started turning purple and necrotizing from yet more blood clots. We took her to the hospital, and while we were trying to figure out whether to amputate her affected limbs because they were rotting and getting gangrene, she died. She died unhappy, troubled, befuddled, and in pain.

As it turned out, we later found two ginormous bottles of vodka in her closet, one was almost empty. The alcohol had interacted with the heart medication she was on, causing her dementia and the blood clots.

*Pointed look at Jack*

I had two relatives who died of alcohol-related illnesses. A third has her alcoholism seriously interfering with her cancer treatment. A fourth is the Unfavourite Uncle, used to be the Cool Uncle but just drifted off the path to where he is middle-aged, visibly affected by his years of intake, utterly aimless, utterly unreliable and still in denial about the whole thing.

And it really does have a visible physical toll.

I just can't imagine quitting a job that requires you to adhere to a certain routine and responsibility, without having a new job waiting, would be a good idea when substance abuse is involved. More free time, more isolation, less accountability = more opportunity to drink and fading motivation to get back into a healthier routine.

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Welcome. How did you find this site? Have you been here before? THGRRI? Does it stand for Trolls Have Gorram Repeat Responsibility Indefinitely? And which American way? The radical Tea Party one? The downtrodden masses one? The elitist we-know-what's-best-for-you Left or Right one?
See, timing is everything, and apparently you will pan out as nothing.
Very weak try at a new ident.

*snort. Sorry, that's a bit funny.

As to the rest of the argument, I'm a bit known for my lack of faith in humanity. See, if you live in the bad side of town and you leave your door unlocked *GUESS WHAT* eventually yer stuffs gonna get pinched. You can blather on about society and it's responsibility, but at the end of the day it's up to YOU to look out for YOU. Same goes for the girl. We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES. I recommend a layer of clothing BIGGER than a couple inches on all relevant parts, and some self defense training, so that when a guy grabs your ass you can sidle up to him, smile and THEN knee him in the crotch! Then you've taught that guy a valuable lesson to keep his dirty hands to himself...PRICELESS!

Yeah is was funny. My first contact with chrisisall. Anyway...

Women have to draw the lines on how they wish to be treated and men do not have a say. Anything else is like a white person suggesting to a black person what it is to be black which is absurd. The thing is, after the lines are drawn they get blurred and not just by men. I look at that video without even hitting play and I can say she is not acting wisely and the guy is a pig. Some will see it differently and transform this into a national or global perspective on how poorly women are treated. I do not see it that way. I like what you say wishimay when you suggest “a guy” being disrespectful and how "a" women should respond. When dealing with assaults on college campuses investigations show if you have thirty rapes a year it is the same four guys doing it. “Those are made up numbers to make a point” but the point is valid.

si shen

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES.

It's now about ignoring the flawed reality. It's about not legitimizing it by erasing the expectation that yes, men are fully capable of self-control. Some just choose not to exercise that self-control. Denying their responsibility is basically a social sanction of transgressive behavior.

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and some self defense training, so that when a guy grabs your ass you can sidle up to him, smile and THEN knee him in the crotch! Then you've taught that guy a valuable lesson to keep his dirty hands to himself...PRICELESS!

That's a sweet fantasy but it's not really how it works out in reality, either. Getting that close to a person who's likely to be taller and stronger and already has enough contempt for you to grope you against your will, and then initiating a violent confrontation? That's probably the first thing a good self-defense class will tell you not to do. For good reason.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:34 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
men are fully capable of self-control. Some just choose not to exercise that self-control. .

I think I've made it CLEAR that I think PEOPLE aren't capable of exercising self control as evidenced EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF THE YEAR. Once AGAIN, read some NEWS!!! There are entire COUNTRIES that have zip in the self-control department!

Sounds like THAT is what makes you mad too, expecting that in this "day and age" we should be, but we're not. We haven't evolved. Deal with it. Expecting people to exercise self-control just because YOU want them to and because they should isn't going to do a damn thing, genius...

By all means, pass the laws and prosecute the people until we catch up. The rest of us will have to look out for ourselves the best we can. Sure as HELL not gonna let my kid dress like a hooker just so we can prove my point. And it would be proved. Cause people are PREDICTABLE!!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:58 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
At some point you need to get a little common sense. Get drunk in stripper gear, climb into the lion's enclosure and prance the behind in the lion's face. Problem solved, just sue the lion because a drunki girl is too stupid.
Seems the vast majority of women drink alcohol precisely to get laid, "let go their inhibitions," et al, and then complain they won't get laid when they're sober. Act like an adult, pretend you are responsible for your own behavior, and that women are not too dumb to make their own decisions and stick with them. And then leave this girl alone because she's not in your camp.

I love how this thread could be so simple ("Yeah, that guy should definitely not have touched her") and instead so many people seem compelled to add qualifiers:

- it's the woman's fault, she was totally asking for it
- his action was harmless, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- women elsewhere have it worse, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- arguing against groping drunk naked strangers is the same as denying personal responsibility
- men are "lions in a den", but women need to stop being stupid and be responsible, because we certainly can't ask men to do that
- if you want to talk about "women's issues" you need to pick a nice and easy example that everyone can agree on (so you don't have to spend so much time on that unimportant crap)
- this woman's behavior after the fact is somehow deeply relevant to what others may think of her being groped (i.e. she is some kind of team mascot)
- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.

The "vast majority" of women drink to get laid? For real? 1) How is that possibly true, 2) is that invented fact supposed to make it okay when people grope drunk women? Because "looking to get laid" means being fair game to anyone within groping distance?

Tell me how many women you know do not drink to get "in the mood?" Really? Nobody? Less than half?

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