I bet this wouldn't have happened if she was wearking a burkah...
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UPDATED: Thursday, January 9, 2025 00:33
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Does anyone really deny this though ? I mean, you go the first part right, 'bout making it obscure. Rape use to be called Rape. Now it's called 'assault' which also includes all manner of unwanted contact.
Basically, any man who had 'bad , adult feelings ' for a female, and she didn't want those , from him, is now an assault.
Rape is still called rape.
Never hear that in the US MSM. I occasionally listen to Auzzie radio, and love how they give descriptions of perps by ACTUALLY TELLING FOLKS WHAT THE PERPS LOOK LIKE! It's amazing.
If a blonde white woman is seen shoplifting, they'll say ' blonde white woman'. Same goes if it's a black man seen exiting a building, prior to a suspicious fire... yep. 'black man seen leaving... '.
Wish they still did that here.
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I love how this thread could be so simple ("Yeah, that guy should definitely not have touched her") and instead so many people seem compelled to add qualifiers:
- it's the woman's fault, she was totally asking for it
- his action was harmless, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- women elsewhere have it worse, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- arguing against groping drunk naked strangers is the same as denying personal responsibility
- men are "lions in a den", but women need to stop being stupid and be responsible, because we certainly can't ask men to do that
- if you want to talk about "women's issues" you need to pick a nice and easy example that everyone can agree on (so you don't have to spend so much time on that unimportant crap)
- this woman's behavior after the fact is somehow deeply relevant to what others may think of her being groped (i.e. she is some kind of team mascot)
- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.
The "vast majority" of women drink to get laid? For real? 1) How is that possibly true, 2) is that invented fact supposed to make it okay when people grope drunk women? Because "looking to get laid" means being fair game to anyone within groping distance?
OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.
"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."
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This is the crazy that is our world now.
Basically: Do NOT touch my car, my food or my ASS without permission.
This is apparently a very hard concept for some.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
men are fully capable of self-control. Some just choose not to exercise that self-control. .
I think I've made it CLEAR that I think PEOPLE aren't capable of exercising self control as evidenced EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF THE YEAR. Once AGAIN, read some NEWS!!! There are entire COUNTRIES that have zip in the self-control department!
Sounds like THAT is what makes you mad too, expecting that in this "day and age" we should be, but we're not. We haven't evolved. Deal with it. Expecting people to exercise self-control just because YOU want them to and because they should isn't going to do a damn thing, genius...
By all means, pass the laws and prosecute the people until we catch up. The rest of us will have to look out for ourselves the best we can. Sure as HELL not gonna let my kid dress like a hooker just so we can prove my point. And it would be proved. Cause people are PREDICTABLE!!
Were you too busy foaming at the mouth to properly read what I wrote? I get that I'm not your favorite person in the world, being mean to poor Six, but geez.
Why are you trying to turn this into a false dilemma where you can either have a social expectation that men are in general fully capable of self-control OR we make choices to protect ourselves in an imperfect world?
I said we should not ignore reality.
But neither should we surrender to the just as false idea that men just can't help it. That is just as blatantly wrong. But that wrong idea affects how we deal with reality, whether we call something inevitable and harmless or whether we don't. Whether we give respect to victims or not. What we teach boys and girls is acceptable or not. Right now we send the message that women are to blame when they are assaulted. That's sick.
And no, I don't think history is a linear march from primitive to sophisticated. But since you cite "countries", considering how stark the differences between some societies are, how big a difference can exist in the same country within mere decades, you really don't think our social expectations play a role? People are capable of a wide range of behaviors, as they have always been. Self-control and choices play a role in that all the time.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is the crazy that is our world now.
Basically: Do NOT touch my car, my food or my ASS without permission.
This is apparently a very hard concept for some.
It is. Children have to be taught to share, but also the concept of asking for permission, and ownership. It can be confusing. When dealing with young , ill mannered and inebriated adults, they often revert to their toddler stage, 'see something, grab something. '
No, I'm not a sociologist, or even a psychologist, but I play one on the interwebs.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
But neither should we surrender to the just as false idea that men just can't help it. Right now we send the message that women are to blame when they are assaulted. That's sick.
you really don't think our social expectations play a role?
I may not blame them for the assault, but I sure as hell can question their actions in certain cases, and so should society...
"Hey, why were you half naked in a crowd of drunken horndogs?? Ya don't think mebbe that was a questionable decision??"
**If the clothes you wear (or lack thereof) are attention seeking you probably shouldn't be surprised when you get negative attention.**
The fallacy lies in teaching ANYONE they are safe in a crowd, and especially when half naked, be it guy or girl... One out of four people has a mental disorder, and therefore may not be capable of acting rational or controlling impulse. Standing in a crowd of people SHOULD make you be on guard. Let your hair down someplace you are safe, not in the middle of a bunch or drunken idiots...
Edit: Hubby just brought up a valid point. "If you are standing in a crowd you protect yer wallet, doncha? Well, same thing applies to yer ass and for the same reason..."
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Tell me how many women you know do not drink to get "in the mood?" Really? Nobody? Less than half?
I find myself a bit troubled by the kinds of women many of the guys here on the board associate with.
Do you all just go to bars to pick up the chicks or something? Because they're probably not drinking to get in the mood.
Let alone how having to have a drink to "get in the mood" suggests that the women in question find the activity deeply unpleasant on some level. Drinking is what you do to numb the pain and block shit out.
Or maybe this is some kind of generation gap, where the women drink a priori during dates because they're "obligated" to engage in coitus.
That would explain most of this conversation, though Jack... I think Jack is just messed up and hangs out with equally broken people.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is the crazy that is our world now.
Basically: Do NOT touch my car, my food or my ASS without permission.
This is apparently a very hard concept for some.
I stole a french fry when you weren't looking. It was very good. *katsup'd*
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Sex is better when you drink, hon. Relaxes you so you can orgasm with no problems, inhibitions are lowered so your less likely to have a problem with your partner, and more likely to give into the more freaky fantasies hiding in the back of your brain...
*cough* If you'll 'scuse me, wow do I need to go pick up some Rum Chata, and arrange for a babysitter
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"Hey, why were you half naked in a crowd of drunken horndogs?? Ya don't think mebbe that was a questionable decision??"
Because she herself was drunk, and unable to make sound decisions, and as such stripping herself of clothing and dancing seemed like a good idea at the time? What are we saying here, don't get drunk or you'll get raped?
Now, I don't drink, and maybe I don't have all the insights the rest of you do on this matter. But based on observations of others and various depictions in the media, I had thought half-naked dancing was fairly common drunk behaviour. And I would also like to think that most of us could agree that the consequences of someone getting drunk shouldn't be rape or sexual assault. Whether or not they had all their clothes on at the time.
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