Great news for the fat kids of Boston

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WHOZIT

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:17 AM

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/05/27/salad-bars-vanish-from-boston-sc
hools

WHOZIT

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:22 AM

Soon under cooked hotdogs and pizza shaped like roofing shingles will return!

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:03 AM

The food wasn't the problem, it's sitting in front video games all weekend long. But I can't really blame parents, have you SEEN how much it costs to participate in any school sport??? You have fees, gear, gas, special shoes they only wear for a month, extra money buying fast food.... If schools wanted to help they would organize NO COST game leagues.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 7:07 AM

BTW Whoz, you might wanna knock off making fun of fat kids. Mine has three health problems that make it impossible for her to lose weight. There are a LOT of kids that I know of that also have problems. It's pretty weak to pick on people who aren't even adult and can't help or fix themselves.

And NO, I am not gonna starve her to make anyone else happy.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:37 AM

My guess is that there are many many more who DON'T have such " problems " , and are obese simply because eating tasty food makes them feel better. Or so that is their belief.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
My guess is that there are many many more who DON'T have such " problems " , and are obese simply because eating tasty food makes them feel better. Or so that is their belief.

And you can tell the difference HOW??? You can look at one fat kid and tell he does or doesn't have genetic health problems? If you can you're a GENIUS.
We should just push everyone as much as we can then, and say "Fuck the kids who have problems!" because I bloody damn well guarantee that they lump them all in together because I've seen it soooooooooooo many times already. My kids' teachers don't even bloody understand the WORDS I use. I print out sheets from the internet and they throw them away.

You think it don't affect US that we will never be thin and "normal" but it's indiscriminately pushed in our faces every day in every way? They don't ever say "It's ok if you really can't be thin" they reinforce over and over "even if you do have problems you should starve yourself to look like us"

They even tell people with arthritis to "Stay active"
Trust me, YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT THAT MEANS. It's like saying "to stay physically healthy we recommend that you join a hard-core S&M club.
A little bondage would be GREAT for you."

These skinny ass models they use on the adverts just piss me off further, you know they've never had a single hard day in their majestic little lives!!!

It's a mind game, and I lose every damn day.........

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:11 AM

Also, on this subject... If you can tell my 300 lb gorilla of a husband to give up Oreos, you're a better man than I.

The reason why comfort food works so well for people who are on the autism spectrum is because there are so few things that actually work to sooth a troubled mind as well as food does. You really don't think there aren't a FREAKING BOATLOAD of parents out there that aren't in the same position I'm in??? It's not JUST about chemistry and biology, it's about MENTAL HEALTH too.

Which is another damn thing you can't fix... But people can sure preach and bitch about things they know NOTHING about.

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:30 AM

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 10:32 AM

Yes, yes I have! Several times.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Also, on this subject... If you can tell my 300 lb gorilla of a husband to give up Oreos, you're a better man than I.

The reason why comfort food works so well for people who are on the autism spectrum is because there are so few things that actually work to sooth a troubled mind as well as food does. You really don't think there aren't a FREAKING BOATLOAD of parents out there that aren't in the same position I'm in??? It's not JUST about chemistry and biology, it's about MENTAL HEALTH too.

Which is another damn thing you can't fix... But people can sure preach and bitch about things they know NOTHING about.

You can't TELL someone such things, they have to figure it out on their own. That's been my experience.

What is more comforting ? Chomping on those tasty oreos, and WISHING you were 20,30, 50lbs lighter, or BEING lighter ?

Light usually goes off , eventually. And the truth is, it really is NOT that hard to do. The silly ( well intentioned as they may be ) BIGGEST LOSER reality type shows stress boot camp style activities and motivation , because it makes for better t.v. ratings.

" Small moves, Ellie. Small moves. "

Took time to get that big, it'll take time to reverse that trend. Significant loss can occur w/ out doing 1 damn thing in a gym.

Speaking mainly about MOST folks, of course, but the basic rules still apply to all.

Might not end up w/ killer abs or look like those heroin chic models from the Calvin Klein ads, but one can still slim down and carry a lot less weight.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You can't TELL someone such things, they have to figure it out on their own. That's been my experience.

What is more comforting ? Chomping on those tasty oreos, and WISHING you were 20,30, 50lbs lighter, or BEING lighter ?

I've been with the man 15 years, and I still can't figure out what's going on in his head. Hell, neither can he. Reason gets lost in fear and doubt and anger. Not to mention, it's not like we have a manual to losing weight. The only time I've ever lost weight was on Atkins, but it was just soooooo much friggin' MEAT. I couldn't do it for long, and I hear it makes things worse if you do. Can't eat nuts or seeds and a half dozen other things. So. Just what would you like me to do about any of it, O wise one???? 'Cause I'm not seeing an answer here....

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:So. Just what would you like me to do about any of it, O wise one???? 'Cause I'm not seeing an answer here....

You can do what ever the hell you want, for all I frelling care.

But since ya asked...

If ya wanna lose weight, or know someone who does, consult a doctor first. Duh.

But generally speaking ?

Eat less. As in, take in fewer calories. You can figure out how many fewer w/ a few handy diet apps for your smart phone, or web sites.

Eat smarter. Know what you're eating. Read labels.

Drink water. If you don't want to destroy the planet w/ plastic bottles, filter your own tap water. Water is too boring ? Try flavoring it up w/ MiO or similar crystals. 0 - 10 calories.

Substitute. Rice cakes w/ low fat cheese instead of a bag of chips. There's ZERO calorie dressing. Use grated Parisian cheese on salads... all manner of ideas out there.

I could go on...but start now, and you can always improve on your diet as you go forward. Doing nothing only gives you more of the same.

Like Trinity said - "You've been down there, Neo. You already know that road. You know exactly where it ends. "

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 8:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

" Small moves, Ellie. Small moves. "

You're such a cosmic sentimentalist.

And being all nice and fluffy to the libtard douches that denigrate you at every opportunity ... well what can I say ... it sorta chokes me up with emotion and brings a tear to my eye. Ah salute Don Antonio!

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

If ya wanna lose weight, or know someone who does, consult a doctor first. Duh.

Doctahs. Doctors know NOTHING!!!

I'm the one that diagnoses everything in this family. I could write pages about how clueless every doc I've been to is. They know NOTHING about your habits or your chemistry, they just write out blind scripts and hope for the best.

I can't afford the battery of tests they've done on my mom for free ($300,000!) because she is low income, so I will never find out why we can't lose weight. And I'm not asking you how NORMAL people with no health
problems diet, I am saying that NO ONE can tell me what the problem is. If eatin rice cakes would do it for me, I'd do it. It don't. Hasn't ever. There is a giant WALL of problems I have with what you wrote about what I should do. It would take a year for you to fully understand what I say.
Pretending that everyone CAN lose weight is what I have a problem with. Being smug because you aren't overweight is what I have a problem with. If you are thin, it's because you got adequate DNA. We DIDN'T. I have NEVER BEEN AN OVEREATER, but I can't exercise. I would literally have to STARVE to be thin, as in not eat for weeks at a time. I did it in high school. I can't and WON'T do it again.

*sigh* What's the point. Every day I come here I'm reminded why I shouldn't bother. Most people have the medical knowledge of Kindergarteners. Useless....

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Doctahs. Doctors know NOTHING!!!

I'm the one that diagnoses everything in this family. I could write pages about how clueless every doc I've been to is. They know NOTHING about your habits or your chemistry, they just write out blind scripts and hope for the best.

I can't afford the battery of tests they've done on my mom for free ($300,000!) because she is low income, so I will never find out why we can't lose weight. And I'm not asking you how NORMAL people with no health
problems diet, I am saying that NO ONE can tell me what the problem is. If eatin rice cakes would do it for me, I'd do it. It don't. Hasn't ever. There is a giant WALL of problems I have with what you wrote about what I should do. It would take a year for you to fully understand what I say.
Pretending that everyone CAN lose weight is what I have a problem with. Being smug because you aren't overweight is what I have a problem with. If you are thin, it's because you got adequate DNA. We DIDN'T. I have NEVER BEEN AN OVEREATER, but I can't exercise. I would literally have to STARVE to be thin, as in not eat for weeks at a time. I did it in high school. I can't and WON'T do it again.

*sigh* What's the point. Every day I come here I'm reminded why I shouldn't bother. Most people have the medical knowledge of Kindergarteners. Useless....

So you know more than trained medical professionals but are still unable to diagnose yourself. Now you degrade other members of a site based on a now defunct t.v. show because they can not immediately diagnose you based on zero info and background?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:06 AM

* sigh *

WHOZIT

Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
BTW Whoz, you might wanna knock off making fun of fat kids. Mine has three health problems that make it impossible for her to lose weight. There are a LOT of kids that I know of that also have problems. It's pretty weak to pick on people who aren't even adult and can't help or fix themselves.

And NO, I am not gonna starve her to make anyone else happy.

My point (which as usual is brilliant) is that Mobama's attemp to focre kids to eat shrubbery is failing. Kids need fat and protein in their diets. The title and the picture of the fat kid was to draw attention to the story, was not meant to be an insult your daughter As for what other people think of your daughter, fuck em.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I'm not seeing an answer here....

Knock sugar (& things made WITH sugar) & red meats outta your diet, drink more water, and you'll start seeing an improvement in a week or two. If I'm wrong I'll give you all my houses in the South of France.

WHOZIT

Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I'm not seeing an answer here....
Knock sugar (& things made WITH sugar) & red meats outta your diet, drink more water, and you'll start seeing an improvement in a week or two. If I'm wrong I'll give you all my houses in the South of France.

I am never going to give up...

Meat

Donuts

Coffee

Beer

Cigarettes

Food fried in fat

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
I am never going to give up...
Meat
Coffee
Beer
Cigarettes
Food fried in fat

Okay.

Quote:

Donuts

Those are bad for you.

WHOZIT

Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
I am never going to give up...
Meat
Coffee
Beer
Cigarettes
Food fried in fat

Okay.
Quote:

Donuts

Those are bad for you.

Food that tastes good is good for you, FACT!

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Food that tastes good is good for you, FACT!

Sometimes. We never evolved with sugar cane available to us.
Sugar is like oxycontin; a little once in a while won't kill you but too much constantly turns you into Rush Limburger.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:13 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I'm not seeing an answer here....
Knock sugar (& things made WITH sugar) & red meats outta your diet, drink more water, and you'll start seeing an improvement in a week or two. If I'm wrong I'll give you all my houses in the South of France.

" useless "

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

" useless "

But we love you anyway.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

" useless "

But we love you anyway.

You could prove it, once in a while.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You could prove it, once in a while.

What? I prove your uselessness way too often as it is!

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You could prove it, once in a while.
What? I prove your uselessness way too often as it is!

You just say you love me, I know it's a lie.

ETA - the ' useless' comment was , since apparently you NEED tellin', in reference to your attempt to help out and offer Wish some advice. Seems neither learned doctors or lowly fireflyfans who post here earn much respect from her.

She asks for advice, and then discards it, with out so much as a 'thank you'.

Most would have gotten my meaning. You didn't.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You just say you love me, I know it's a lie.

Name a Star Wars fan who doesn't love Vader.

Quote:

Most would have gotten my meaning. You didn't.

Honestly, I missed it. But I sure used it well, didn't I?
I made ME laugh, anyways.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:

So you know more than trained medical professionals but are still unable to diagnose yourself.

You got access to testing equipment??? 'Cuz I didn't get that kit in the mail. And yeah, I do have a better than average grasp of how the body works, but because I have memorization issues they wouldn't let me take chemistry. So, NO, I'm not familiar with how to run the myriad of tests (most of which I suspect I need are genetic), and YES, I've shown up the Docs about a dozen times. Hard for them to even try when the typical doc visit is EIGHT MINUTES. What the hell can you know about me in EIGHT MINUTES? Nothing, that's what...

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

As for what other people think of your daughter, fuck em.

It's easy for an adult to say that, but to a little girl that just wants to be liked, it's a WHOLE 'NOTHER THANG. I know. I've been there...

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Most would have gotten my meaning. You didn't.
Honestly, I missed it. But I sure used it well, didn't I?
I made ME laugh, anyways.

Yeah. Never mind trying to stick to the issue of the thread, just take yet another cheap, pointless, uncalled for ad hominem at another poster.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
It's easy for an adult to say that, but to a little girl that just wants to be liked, it's a WHOLE 'NOTHER THANG. I know. I've been there...

Seriously Wish, I wondered why I had such terrible acne when I was a teen- doctors said I had to stop eating fatty stuff, but later experiments I did on myself indicated conclusively that SUGAR, not fat was the main culprit. And not just acne, sugar fuels fat weight gain, and diabetes. It's a tasty poison that in small amounts can be enjoyed & metabolised, but it's ubiquitous in foods today.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yeah. Never mind trying to stick to the issue of the thread, just take yet another cheap, pointless, uncalled for ad hominem at another poster.

Calm yourself, Doctor.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Calm yourself, Doctor.

Oh Tabitha...

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

She asks for advice, and then discards it, with out so much as a 'thank you'.

Because you still aren't getting it. You give out dieting advice for otherwise healthy people, of which we are NOT. I'm trying to make you understand that there are many different chemical makeups and no way to know which one would work, and even if it is WORTH trying. And try having a complicated medical problem and having a doc stare you blankly in the face a couple dozen times, won't cha? Or, even worse, insult you and say it's something YOU'VE done wrong, even though you know it's not and there's not a damn thing you can do...It's a thoroughly soul draining experience

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
You give out dieting advice for otherwise healthy people

Sugar is BAD. For 'otherwise healthy' people it's a tolerable poison. For compromised folk it's ten times worse. That's the end of MY sermon. I made MYSELF sleepy here...

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:40 AM

Quote:
Because you still aren't getting it.

Oh, THAT'S what I was suppose to get out of all this ?

Is YOUR special and unique circumstance, and how completely and totally different YOU are to every other person out there who may struggle w/ the issue of being over weight ?

Huh.

Alrighty then. I'll make a note of it.

Glad you got out of any advice you may have received in this thread exactly what ya paid for it!

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

...on myself indicated conclusively that SUGAR, not fat was the main culprit. And not just acne, sugar fuels fat weight gain, and diabetes. It's a tasty poison that in small amounts can be enjoyed & metabolised, but it's ubiquitous in foods today.

And THIS is what I run into *facepalm*. Sugar is FINE for some people and NOT for others. Meat if FINE for some people and not for others. Fruit is Fine for some people and not for others. NUTS are FINE for some people and NOT for others. You seeing a pattern here??? There IS NO ABSOLUTES.

You are sensitive to the sugar problem because your kid is diabetic. It what you relate to, it's YOUR mission...I had a friend that GUZZLED sugar and she weighed HALF of my weight and still does and still guzzles sugar. I NEVER had ANY sweets in my house before hubby and I still weighed 220 lbs and worked TWO jobs and never ate lunch. I should have been a size two but I wasn't. I don't know why and neither does anyone else....

Believing biology is as simple as avoiding sugars IS THE PROBLEM.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:54 AM

Even Superman once had a weight problem.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:03 AM

I'll exit with this...

The human body is a machine. Burn more calories than you put into it, you lose weight. Don't burn more , you'll gain weight.

Some burn calories faster than others, or more efficiently, but the same basics apply.

And yes, life isn't fair.

Wah.

Deal w/ it.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
You are sensitive to the sugar problem because your kid is diabetic. It what you relate to, it's YOUR mission...

No Wish, my kid is diabetic because a virus infected his pancreatic cells provoking an auto-immune response, killing the T Cells - it had NOTHING to do with his sugar intake. He's Type 1. He still enjoys small bits of sugar in his deserts with the appropriate insulin. I am on no personalized 'mission' here.
[Edited for crassness & insensitivity]
Basically for all Earth organisms, take in less fuel, keep less mass.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:48 PM

What caused it is immaterial. You live with the actuality NOW.

And I've met at least a dozen people that both of your theories hold no water for. Some peoples bodies are programmed to get to a certain size and some hold onto fat with an iron grip, despite no difference in diet.
GENES regulate these things! You don't want to acknowledge it because you don't want to "give people an excuse" Picking on people for their weight is just as idiotic as picking on people for their height or hair color....

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 8:42 PM

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GENES regulate these things! You don't want to acknowledge it because you don't want to "give people an excuse" Picking on people for their weight is just as idiotic as picking on people for their height or hair color....

Well, yes they do. But weight is not on par with ht or eye color. Sorry, it just isn't. I've never seen anyone grow 4" higher & then shrink 4 or 5" on force of will or anything.

Maybe had I not gained and then lost 70+ lbs I could empathize more. But I did so I can't.

*
There IS some empathy, to be sure. Just not unbound, unlimited amounts.

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:33 PM

I get where Wish is coming from.

I think it has to do with the fact that our bodies do have an ideal weight "in mind" for us, which is partly genetic and partly programmed while we grow up. Most of us will circle that number tightly for the rest of our lives, and while it can be adjusted, that usually only goes one way: up. Because we evolved fighting starving conditions.

If you've been considerably overwheight for many years, the chance of going considerably lighter permanently are fairly small. Can be done, but it's very very hard for most people, to the point of making things worse or inviting eating disorders.

I think that programmed weight has been going up for many people in recent decades because we are simply moving a lot less than we used to, especially in childhood. Plus awful eating habits. Sweets used to be a treat in my 80's childhood, now they are ubiquitous for most children.

Anyway, when you're programmed to a high weight, the only thing you actually can change at that point is your health. Overweight, even obese people can be healthy. Healthier, actually, than if they tried to slim down by force of will against their natural programming.

If you have preexisting health issues, I can only imagine that fighting that battle becomes exponentially harder.

So... yeah, making fun of fat people is pretty pointless. Not only might they honestly not be able to lose significant weight, they might actually BE healthier than you.

It's idiotic to vilify fatness when the actual weight is only an aspect of the risk factors. You can be fat and walking and exercising and not smoking/drinking and you probably will be tons healthier than the skinny person who never moves, except to get that next pack of smokes or the next bottle of beer.

If you're fat and unhealthy, the mere fat is likely the least of the problem.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
You can be fat and walking and exercising and not smoking/drinking and you probably will be tons healthier than the skinny person who never moves, except to get that next pack of smokes or the next bottle of beer.

Okay, THIS is probably the single best comment on this thread.

Bottom line: if you're 'big' and meant to be that way, that's cool. If you have weight you'd like to lose, there's only THREE ways: Eat less (especially sugar), exercise, or a combo of the two. There are no magic spells, and most of us can't afford to have a doctor remove bits of intestine or stomach.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:05 PM

G
- thanks

And it's true, or was for me , that 1 point in time, a comment or " event " can wake a person up and be the tipping point.

And losing that much weight makes a world of difference. Mentally, physically, it's freaking amazing.

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
G
- thanks

And it's true, or was for me , that 1 point in time, a comment or " event " can wake a person up and be the tipping point.

And losing that much weight makes a world of difference. Mentally, physically, it's freaking amazing.

How long were you carrying that extra 70 lbs.? You said "gained and lost", so I'm guessing it wasn't a case of always having it, but a relatively temporary state, as in within less a couple of years, losing and gaining? Or did you radically change the body you had always had, so to speak?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:58 PM

It prolly took 12+ yrs , of gain some- lose a bit - gain some more for me to amass that much... mass. There was a short time, 18 months, where I did jump up a fair bit, towards the time of max density.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It prolly took 12+ yrs , of gain some- lose a bit - gain some more for me to amass that much... mass. There was a short time, 18 months, where I did jump up a fair bit, towards the time of max density.

So... at some point you stopped denying that you needed to address the issue. Good for you!
Now when will that point come for you with climate change-?

OONJERAH

Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:39 PM

probiotics
knowledge of herbs
healthy habits - include quiet, rest, solitude.

I agree with AgentRouka: Prioritize health, not weight.

Doctors: decent ones are a vanishing breed.
My experience in the last decade places them in the red zone, the Bad Guy side.
A chronically ill patient makes money for them!
If they knew what works, they wouldn't tell.
I can get better information from other people who've had success with self-help.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 30, 2014 1:25 AM

Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

Some of us don't get that choice and NEVER WILL

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 30, 2014 1:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

...on myself indicated conclusively that SUGAR, not fat was the main culprit. And not just acne, sugar fuels fat weight gain, and diabetes. It's a tasty poison that in small amounts can be enjoyed & metabolised, but it's ubiquitous in foods today.

And THIS is what I run into *facepalm*. Sugar is FINE for some people and NOT for others. Meat if FINE for some people and not for others. Fruit is Fine for some people and not for others. NUTS are FINE for some people and NOT for others. You seeing a pattern here??? There IS NO ABSOLUTES.

You are sensitive to the sugar problem because your kid is diabetic. It what you relate to, it's YOUR mission...I had a friend that GUZZLED sugar and she weighed HALF of my weight and still does and still guzzles sugar. I NEVER had ANY sweets in my house before hubby and I still weighed 220 lbs and worked TWO jobs and never ate lunch. I should have been a size two but I wasn't. I don't know why and neither does anyone else....

Believing biology is as simple as avoiding sugars IS THE PROBLEM.

While I'm once again irritated by your slamming of my hobby when I'm a healthy weight, which I give you a pass on because you've mentioned that your mother basically let you be raised by video games (which I'm assuming based on your follow up comments did not cause your health issues), I think I have to agree with you here.

I have seen no rhyme or reason in nutritional studies. I have seen incredible amounts of justifications and poor sample sizes and short time frames. Nutrition right now is an easy grant money pseudoscience that could be useful, but the food companies have their fingers so deep in the pie that no real information comes out of those studies. Maybe it's cholesterol. No. Maybe it's fats. No. Maybe it's salts. No. Maybe it's gluten. No. Maybe it's sugars. No.

I must agree that nutrition seems to be a strongly person by person case, and that any sensible approach to nutrition must be individualized. And that right now, that sort of individual approach that would actually be useful for people is too expensive for most people and their HMOs, so what we get instead is pop culture, bad science, urban myths, and fad diets.

And I also have to agree about fat shaming. My grandmother is very overweight, and she is an excellent person. Many of my friends are fat. And I've seen people who are overweight who can make themselves aesthetically pleasing through fashion and makeup - which I think is what that boils down to for everyone far more than body type.

WHOZIT

Friday, May 30, 2014 3:02 AM

My plan for tomorow...

Stop off at Wa Wa and buy coffee with SUGAR and milk and a pack of smokes.

For lunch, what ever catches my eye in the vending machine, the little pizzas have hit the spot lately

Then pick up a meatball sub on my way home, take a shower then eat the sub and wash it down with a few BEERS while watching TV and burping.

After I get done with the sub I'll light up a smoke then drink more BEER.

My plan is simple but it's mine.

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 30, 2014 3:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
While I'm once again irritated by your slamming of my hobby when I'm a healthy weight, which I give you a pass on because you've mentioned that your mother basically let you be raised by video games (which I'm assuming based on your follow up comments did not cause your health issues), I think I have to agree with you here.

I'm not slamming YOUR hobby, you are an adult and of course may do what you wish. I am closer to the kids than you and I see it IS a problem FOR THEM. And I never said I played a lot of games, I said my mother wanted me too. I played Wolfenstein all the way through and two sega games that I never finished and that was it. Couldn't do all the sitting. Saw a T-shirt the other day that said "Let me tell you about all the video game awards I have" or something to that effect. Gaming don't accomplish much, is my problem, and it does mess with kids' brains it the other problem. People here already can't interact on a basic level, you put games and phones in the mix you drop the collective IQ quite a bit.

OONJERAH

Friday, May 30, 2014 3:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

Some of us don't get that choice and NEVER WILL

You have No Idea what my health is.
Why'd you call me "a GUY" and in Caps?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 30, 2014 3:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
While I'm once again irritated by your slamming of my hobby when I'm a healthy weight, which I give you a pass on because you've mentioned that your mother basically let you be raised by video games (which I'm assuming based on your follow up comments did not cause your health issues), I think I have to agree with you here.

I'm not slamming YOUR hobby, you are an adult and of course may do what you wish. I am closer to the kids than you and I see it IS a problem FOR THEM. And I never said I played a lot of games, I said my mother wanted me too. I played Wolfenstein all the way through and two sega games that I never finished and that was it. Couldn't do all the sitting. Saw a T-shirt the other day that said "Let me tell you about all the video game awards I have" or something to that effect. Gaming don't accomplish much, is my problem, and it does mess with kids' brains it the other problem. People here already can't interact on a basic level, you put games and phones in the mix you drop the collective IQ quite a bit.

I've played games since I was four years old. And it did affect my brain development, but not negatively. Games are both escapism AND self-improvement and personal empowerment. It bettered my vocabulary, my motor skills, and my problem solving skills. It also changed the way I process dreams - I am completely lucid even when asleep. Which itself has an affect on how I interact with the world when awake.

Perhaps the problem you're seeing is people playing the wrong games, though even that doesn't quite get into it. And there are many other childhood pastimes that tend to traditionally involve sitting and focusing and eschewing social interaction for long periods of time, such as reading and writing and school.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, May 30, 2014 3:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Food that tastes good is good for you, FACT!
Sometimes. We never evolved with sugar cane available to us.
Sugar is like oxycontin; a little once in a while won't kill you but too much constantly turns you into Rush Limburger.

oh the humanity

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 30, 2014 3:49 AM

Oh the RushHannity

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 4:45 AM

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 30, 2014 6:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

Some of us don't get that choice and NEVER WILL

You have No Idea what my health is.
Why'd you call me "a GUY" and in Caps?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Transmission/reception problem, was talking to Rappy... You posted in the interim...

And on the subject of the video, the guy had ONE problem- injury based arthritis. That can get better, and there are a TON of treatments. I CAN'T stop sneezing (up to 132 as of right now) I can't stop my intestinal disorder (13 times as of right now)
I can't breathe, I'm gorked out on meds, my heart is racing, I'm in pain, and totally wiped out... and THAT was at 11 o clock this MORNING. I still have to get up, cook dinner and take care of my family...

I'm NOT- I REPEAT- NOT!!!- going to get better. All the quaint little videos and motivational crap are not going to change my reality...
Your attitude, the one perpetrated by the media, is that if you work at it enough you can overcome. It's insulting, and belittles what I go through every day. I will have to live with this for the rest of my short life.
It's not pretty and yet I have to stare it in the fucking face EVERY SINGLE DAY. I'm not asking for pity, I'm asking that you not tell me "It'll get better" just so YOU don't have to accept there is nothing you can do, or anyone else can do for that matter...

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 6:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

Some of us don't get that choice and NEVER WILL

Sorry, missed that this was directed towards me.

Sounds like ya have it rough. More than most.

But what of the guy in the video I posted. Think he had an easy row to hoe ?
( Edit - So, you commented on his easy to fix problems. Got it )

You've got choices. But you've convinced yourself you don't.

So, you're right.

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

It bettered my vocabulary, my motor skills, and my problem solving skills.

So would reading a dictionary, or going for a walk. How would you know the difference???

Byte, I really don't care what you do. It's not like I could affect anything even if I did...

Our society is stupid. Really really stupid. You are not ever going to convince me that video games are helping that, bottom line. If educational games were a top seller, I might be more inclined to agree, but they're not, and not likely ever to be so...

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You've got choices. But you've convinced yourself you don't.
So, you're right.

Before criticizing someone, walk a mile in their shoes. Then when you DO criticize them, you will be a mile away and have their shoes.

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You've got choices. But you've convinced yourself you don't.

So, you're right.

I'd pay real money if you could BE me for a week.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

I have seen no rhyme or reason in nutritional studies. I have seen incredible amounts of justifications and poor sample sizes and short time frames. Nutrition right now is an easy grant money pseudoscience that could be useful, but the food companies have their fingers so deep in the pie that no real information comes out of those studies. Maybe it's cholesterol. No. Maybe it's fats. No. Maybe it's salts. No. Maybe it's gluten. No. Maybe it's sugars. No.

I must agree that nutrition seems to be a strongly person by person case, and that any sensible approach to nutrition must be individualized. And that right now, that sort of individual approach that would actually be useful for people is too expensive for most people and their HMOs, so what we get instead is pop culture, bad science, urban myths, and fad diets.

And I also have to agree about fat shaming. My grandmother is very overweight, and she is an excellent person. Many of my friends are fat. And I've seen people who are overweight who can make themselves aesthetically pleasing through fashion and makeup - which I think is what that boils down to for everyone far more than body type.

It's great to see you back Byte, btw.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. Nutritional studies are very poor and have been very compromised by interference from various food industries.

The doco "The Men Who Made Us Fat" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2337202/ is a must see for anyone interested in what the hell happened to our diet 20th/21st century.

Including how we've been conned by nutritianists calling for us to lower our fat intake, and the reaction from food companies, producing low fat food laden with sugar and other artifical susbstances that are terrible for our health.

Also the impact of corn syrup being added to food as a sweetener. Not happening here as much.

I think while somethings are compromised and unclear, what is clear that eating a diet that consists mainly of fast foods, sweetened carbonated drinks and processed foods will affect your health, including but not limited to weight related health problems, while including more fresh fruit and veg in your diet will improve your health.

The rest - how much sugar/fat/gluten/dairy/wheat/carbo/meat should you eat to be healthy is pretty unclear.

I agree with those who say eat/live to be as healthy as you can.

Move your body as often as you can.
Drink water without anything in it.
Eat fresh fruit and veg often.

Everybody can do that.

The MD has spoken

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

I'd pay real money if you could BE me for a week.

( no thanks. I don't wanna be married to a 300lb dude who's addicted to Oreos )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

( no thanks. I don't wanna be married to a 300lb dude who's addicted to Oreos )

Is it fun to be mean to NICE people? I've only been mean to YOU....

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

It bettered my vocabulary, my motor skills, and my problem solving skills.

So would reading a dictionary, or going for a walk. How would you know the difference???

Byte, I really don't care what you do. It's not like I could affect anything even if I did...

Our society is stupid. Really really stupid. You are not ever going to convince me that video games are helping that, bottom line. If educational games were a top seller, I might be more inclined to agree, but they're not, and not likely ever to be so...

I did all of those things - even tried to write my own dictionary at one point. So I do know the difference, thanks.

Still hike too.

Educational books aren't top sellers either. They don't have to be to have intellectual merit.

But I'm not going to convince you, and you're welcome to that. Goodness knows I resent people trying to broaden my horizons too.

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 30, 2014 7:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Goodness knows I resent people trying to broaden my horizons too.

You never took Tai-Chi like I recommended....
*sigh*

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

( no thanks. I don't wanna be married to a 300lb dude who's addicted to Oreos )

Is it fun to be mean to NICE people? I've only been mean to YOU....

How is anything I did or said 'mean' ?? She said her 300 lb hubby was addicted to Oreos. WISH SAID IT !

You want mean? I'll give ya mean...

( dammit... once I started, I can't stop! )

OONJERAH

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Congratulations on being a GUY of moderately good health enough that you get that choice.

Some of us don't get that choice and NEVER WILL

You have No Idea what my health is.
Why'd you call me "a GUY" and in Caps?

Transmission/reception problem, was talking to Rappy... You posted in the interim...

Oh! OK.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You want mean? I'll give ya mean...

When it comes to the need for a personal perception of righteousness or safety you nearly always do...

1KIKI

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:23 AM

Wish

Does it matter if I say I understand? I'm in pain every single minute. My heart is already racing when I wake up. Getting out of bed makes me feel like I'm ready to collapse. Simple things - anything that involves getting out of bed - is a physical ordeal of pain and complete lack of energy. I feel like we understand each other that way.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You want mean? I'll give ya mean...
When it comes to the need for a personal perception of righteousness or safety you nearly always do...

I don't know what that's suppose to mean.

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I don't know what that's suppose to mean.

Of course.

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It prolly took 12+ yrs , of gain some- lose a bit - gain some more for me to amass that much... mass. There was a short time, 18 months, where I did jump up a fair bit, towards the time of max density.
So... at some point you stopped denying that you needed to address the issue. Good for you!
Now when will that point come for you with climate change-?

When every year New Orleans and or New York get hit with at LEAST 3 Katrina / Sandy level storms, and Polar Bears are no more.

1KIKI

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:57 AM

How about an ice-free arctic? 80% of the world's glacier mass gone?

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 30, 2014 9:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When every year New Orleans and or New York get hit with at LEAST 3 Katrina / Sandy level storms, and Polar Bears are no more.

Your wish will be granted sooner than you know, but then it STILL won't be true. Your tummy was RIGHT THERE, though...

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 30, 2014 9:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Goodness knows I resent people trying to broaden my horizons too.
You never took Tai-Chi like I recommended....
*sigh*

I took Shaolin Chu'an Fa and my sifu also taught Tai Chi. That totally counts.

I just don't believe in all the meditation and breathing stuff. Never really done anything for me.

CHRISISALL

Friday, May 30, 2014 9:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I took Shaolin Chu'an Fa and my sifu also taught Tai Chi. That totally counts.

Please someone help me take this egg off my face so I can eat crow!

Sorry Byte.

BYTEMITE

Friday, May 30, 2014 9:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

It's great to see you back Byte, btw.

Whoops, missed this one.

I don't know how long I can stay. I tend to need breaks more often than everyone else around here as it seems to affect me very easily and exacerbates my normal levels of negativity.

Quote:
I agree with a lot of what you say here. Nutritional studies are very poor and have been very compromised by interference from various food industries.

The doco "The Men Who Made Us Fat" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2337202/ is a must see for anyone interested in what the hell happened to our diet 20th/21st century.

Including how we've been conned by nutritianists calling for us to lower our fat intake, and the reaction from food companies, producing low fat food laden with sugar and other artifical susbstances that are terrible for our health.

Also the impact of corn syrup being added to food as a sweetener. Not happening here as much.

I think while somethings are compromised and unclear, what is clear that eating a diet that consists mainly of fast foods, sweetened carbonated drinks and processed foods will affect your health, including but not limited to weight related health problems, while including more fresh fruit and veg in your diet will improve your health.

The rest - how much sugar/fat/gluten/dairy/wheat/carbo/meat should you eat to be healthy is pretty unclear.

I was concerned what I had to say would seem controversial. I'm glad to see my suspicions aren't off base.

Agreed about the fresh foods. Living healthy might be a bit of a spectrum though.

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 9:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When every year New Orleans and or New York get hit with at LEAST 3 Katrina / Sandy level storms, and Polar Bears are no more.
Your wish will be granted sooner than you know, but then it STILL won't be true. Your tummy was RIGHT THERE, though...

Dude, what the hell are you talking about ?

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, May 30, 2014 9:18 AM

Crow is wild game so probably good for you.

Serve it with a salad of wild herbs and you have a healthy meal,

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, May 30, 2014 9:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Agreed about the fresh foods. Living healthy might be a bit of a spectrum though.

Of course it is. Chronic ill health, as described by Wishimay and Ikiki - sorry to hear about your plights - means that everything is a battle, exercise, eating well, not being seeping in negativity can all be incredibly difficult.

However, giving up on helping yourself isn't the answer either. You might not be able to do 30 minutes of exercise a day, but you probably can stretch and build in some kind of activity periodically.

And Wish, you may not be able to help your husband understand about the impact of his food intake, you can make some personal changes about what you eat. Even small changes can make an impact, or stop the creep of things getting worse.

I'll support your efforts.

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 30, 2014 10:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

I'll support your efforts.

Oye. This is totally gonna sound flippant and I don't mean it to be.

I appreciate YOU think you are being supportive, but you aren't. Some girl on the internet says she "supports me" Oh, goody. That'll fix... nothing. Even the words you use are a bit insulting. It's a bit like telling someone who is crawling through the desert after running out of water yesterday that they really need to better their vocabulary or their sex life while you guzzle Evian water. You just can't even understand how ludicrous it is. Every minute of my life revolves around responsibility and symptom management. I can only do what I can do...

I really don't give a shit about my weight or hubbys or my kids. I know society does and will treat her like crap and that DOES bother me. She doesn't deserve any more than she's already got....

Wishimay gives 1kiki (and Frem and Byte and everyone else that posted a problem when we were all bitching in that one thread)
a commiserative "messed-up high five." Welcome to the club nobody else gets and nobody is happy to join, right?
I'd say I'm sorry for your luck and I wish things better for you, but I never feel like that does anything or really means much.

Ok. How about "Here's to trudging through one more *stellar day, may you find a moment that don't suck sometime during it."
Best I can do...

OONJERAH

Friday, May 30, 2014 11:10 AM

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, May 30, 2014 11:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

I'll support your efforts.

Oye. This is totally gonna sound flippant and I don't mean it to be.

I appreciate YOU think you are being supportive, but you aren't. Some girl on the internet says she "supports me" Oh, goody. That'll fix... nothing. Even the words you use are a bit insulting. It's a bit like telling someone who is crawling through the desert after running out of water yesterday that they really need to better their vocabulary or their sex life while you guzzle Evian water. You just can't even understand how ludicrous it is. Every minute of my life revolves around responsibility and symptom management. I can only do what I can do...

I really don't give a shit about my weight or hubbys or my kids. I know society does and will treat her like crap and that DOES bother me. She doesn't deserve any more than she's already got....

Wishimay gives 1kiki (and Frem and Byte and everyone else that posted a problem when we were all bitching in that one thread)
a commiserative "messed-up high five." Welcome to the club nobody else gets and nobody is happy to join, right?
I'd say I'm sorry for your luck and I wish things better for you, but I never feel like that does anything or really means much.

Ok. How about "Here's to trudging through one more *stellar day, may you find a moment that don't suck sometime during it."
Best I can do...

No worries. Not meant to be insulting, but apologise if I overstepped the line.

I wanted to add, that for me weight isn't the issue but being as healthy as you can be, whatever your circumstances. That's the support I was trying to give. I have gained weight over the past 15 years, and my diet is extremely healthy. I'm still pretty fit, and not in the obese category, just bigger than I used to be. I have a friend who would be classed as chubby and she runs marathons and is vegan. So I do get that it's an individual thing and that having poor health sucks and that also I have no idea about what it would be like to face your struggles. So point taken.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 30, 2014 11:58 AM

WISH, I think scanned thru the thread rather quickly. I THINK I understand where you're coming from. I agree... doctors know DICK.

When a doctor FINALLY took our concerns about our dd seriously and took an EEG, they were horrified. The neuro- a kindly, youngish Indian lady, walked me thru her differential dx, a list of things she considered a ruled out... Well (she said) it could be absence seizures, but they're usually more rhythmic. It could be Lennox-Gastaut, but lacks the polyphasic... It could by atypical migraines, but it doesn't look like that either... It could be West Syndrome, but... It could be ESES, but that's too rare as she crossed it off too

Well, the one thing that was "too rare" was the one thing it was. But I was young and stupid, and I thought doctors knew better. Ultimately (after 8 years) I found her dx online. Another few years after that, I found a partially successful treatment.

Since then, I've seen doctor flub a number of diagnoses in our family... the doctor who told hubby to eat less salt to solve his cardiac arrhythmia, without finding out first that hubby was eating only 800 mg/day and working out/sweating like a horse... turns out, hubby's a salt waster and needs MORE than average just to keep his heart pumping!

I've correctly dx one woman online with Hashimoto's encephalitis, and one boy with autoimmune attack on his potassium channels. Point is, out of 7 billion people on the globe, SOME of them will have that one-in-a-million dx. And when doctors (and everyone else) thinks that they know, or pretends that they know, it's very very frustrating.

WISHIMAY

Friday, May 30, 2014 3:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Another few years after that, I found a partially successful treatment.

Since then, I've seen doctor flub a number of diagnoses in our family... the doctor who told hubby to eat less salt to solve his cardiac arrhythmia, without finding out first that hubby was eating only 800 mg/day and working out/sweating like a horse... turns out, hubby's a salt waster and needs MORE than average just to keep his heart pumping!

It's a constant source of wonder to me how I can hate this internet thing for what people let it do to their lives and love it for the great equalizer it is. Knowledge is the only real power we have over our lives.
Most people will never know how much of a scam modern medicine is and they just keep portraying it as this all-knowing fix-all and it's a sad day when a person realizes what it could be, but isn't...
Congrats for having the guts to do what you needed to.
And thanks for the sodium comment, I'll have to look into that, as my heart problems get worse in the spring when I start sweating- and even though my doc has accused me of eating too much salt(SEVEN TIMES) I know it's not possible because I only eat a max of twice a day. I literally CAN'T be getting too much salt...

AURAPTOR

Friday, May 30, 2014 5:20 PM

Saw this, and first thing I thought of was this thread.

Enjoy.

AGENTROUKA

Friday, May 30, 2014 6:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The doco "The Men Who Made Us Fat" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2337202/ is a must see for anyone interested in what the hell happened to our diet 20th/21st century.

Thanks for sharing that!

I watched it and thought especially the points made about snacking were insightful. Eating between meals, sugary junk in particular, is a recent phenomenon. And it has become so wide-spread. I know it is the number one factor in my range of weight fluctuation. Exercise has no impact one way or the other. Whether I bought that bag of gummy bears (because once I have it, it will be GONE) makes all the difference.

The problem is that modern life styles almost require you to snack, and the easiest food available will always be crap. If you're over-worked, have a long commute, too little sleep, not enough money... you're going to have irregular meals, cheap junk and you'll eat even more simply because you'll substitute sleep with sugar.

Will power is a lot to ask when you're exhausted but still have to get things done. (Hello, students and single parents!) And that just keeps warping the next generation's relationship with food.

I'm very grateful to have enough factors in my life that facilitate a healthy food intake. I wasn't raised that way, I lucked into roommates who insisted on shared home-cooked dinners. Best thing that very happened to me, health-wise.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 30, 2014 8:44 PM

Well, I've been there too... overwhelmed and constantly sleep-deprived. Snacking on the junk food that's constantly available, lack of sleep, and constant stress... for most people, a recipe for disaster.

BYTEMITE

Saturday, May 31, 2014 1:05 AM

Quote:
Well, the one thing that was "too rare" was the one thing it was. But I was young and stupid, and I thought doctors knew better. Ultimately (after 8 years) I found her dx online. Another few years after that, I found a partially successful treatment.

Yeah, same thing with my chest pains and my psychological health.

I've pretty much given up on doctors. At this point I think most of them are about as scientific as clerics in a church.

OONJERAH

Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:12 AM

^ Doctors. You guys are bein' charitable. I think they're hustlers.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

CHRISISALL

Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:23 AM

Getting paid for takin' guesses that most won't bother challenging? Good work if you can get it!

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:47 AM

Weird.

It appears to me that the people who are the most supportive of the ACA are also the ones most skeptical of the medical profession.

"Doctors don't know shit but we wanna make sure everyone has access to one".

OONJERAH

Saturday, May 31, 2014 3:04 AM

^ BDN
"Doctors don't know shit but we wanna make sure everyone has access to one".

Who the heck are you quoting there?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

BYTEMITE

Saturday, May 31, 2014 3:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
Weird.

It appears to me that the people who are the most supportive of the ACA are also the ones most skeptical of the medical profession.

"Doctors don't know shit but we wanna make sure everyone has access to one".

I would posit that it's not so much doctors anyone wants access to, but medication. Which has it's good and bad sides.

Do It Yourself Biology and medication movements are all the rage and they can do some awesome stuff on the cheap in homemade labs using internet knowledge. But at the same time they really have to know what the heck they're doing.

And of course some people might want the medication for less then medical reasons.

Not sure it's anyone's place to judge, persons are going to make their own choices, and I suppose ACA supporters would see it as making sure they have the most available choices while bargain hunting.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 31, 2014 3:15 AM

Well, it's simple, really. First of all, what you're seeing is an optical illusion. I have NEVER been unreservedly supportive of ACA, I think it's just tossing people into the maw of big insurance companies along with a sweetener of government money. What a fucking sellout.

But, when you need standard medical care, you NEED standard medical care. Doctors practice what I call 85% medicine, as in "This will work for 85% of the people 85% of the time" If you're in that 85/85, you're golden, and doctor's services are vital.

Broken bone? Golden!
Bacterial pneumonia? Golden!

It's only when you're out of that 85/85 that you run into trouble. Even then, for successful treatment it's still necessary (in most cases) to find an insightful doctor- one who is a research MD PhD or who is willing to do research for you. The treatment that I found online worked, but only for a while, and the side effects were so awful for our dd she couldn't stay on that regimen. Fortunately, we lucked into an MD PhD, and after a few years he took a flyer on a unique approach and it worked. He told us he was going to write a paper on it.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, May 31, 2014 5:36 AM

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And thanks for the sodium comment, I'll have to look into that, as my heart problems get worse in the spring when I start sweating- and even though my doc has accused me of eating too much salt(SEVEN TIMES) I know it's not possible because I only eat a max of twice a day. I literally CAN'T be getting too much salt...

Well for what its worth, its the easiest thing in the world to eat too much salt, even eating only twice a day. Every bit of processed food, from bread, spreads, sauces, condiments, biscuits (cookies to you) and cakes are LOADED with salt. So unless you are eating fully fresh food, you are eating a truck load of it.

A few years ago, I went on a 6 week health plan, no sugar, no salt, no dairy, meat, alcohol, caffeine. Wow, basically you guessed...it was salad, salad and more salad. Hubby was about ready to kill himself (he did the plan too) but I did lose a lot of weight and I felt amazing. The biggest surprise was how hard it was to lose the salt because it meant that unless I bought something labelled SALT FREE at a health food store, every condiment was a no go. And when you are eating only salad, boy do you need some condiments. About 4 weeks into it, it was like something magic happened to my taste buds, I could really savour foods that had previously seemed quite bland, the sweetness of carrots for example. At the end, we went back to a more livable version, which included many parts of our normal diet, but everything tasted incredibly salty...even a slice of bread.

BTW, I know my advice is not welcome, but have you ever thought of eating more than two meals?

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I watched it and thought especially the points made about snacking were insightful. Eating between meals, sugary junk in particular, is a recent phenomenon. And it has become so wide-spread. I know it is the number one factor in my range of weight fluctuation. Exercise has no impact one way or the other. Whether I bought that bag of gummy bears (because once I have it, it will be GONE) makes all the difference.

The problem is that modern life styles almost require you to snack, and the easiest food available will always be crap. If you're over-worked, have a long commute, too little sleep, not enough money... you're going to have irregular meals, cheap junk and you'll eat even more simply because you'll substitute sleep with sugar.

Will power is a lot to ask when you're exhausted but still have to get things done. (Hello, students and single parents!) And that just keeps warping the next generation's relationship with food.

I'm very grateful to have enough factors in my life that facilitate a healthy food intake. I wasn't raised that way, I lucked into roommates who insisted on shared home-cooked dinners. Best thing that very happened to me, health-wise.

My experience too. It wasn't until I left home that I became more concious of eating fresh food and how good it could taste. Thank you to my Greek and Italian descendant friends who taught me how to cook properly.

"convenience food" as I have posted before, is largely a con. Supermarkets and food companies have shaped our belief system and out habits around how we prepare food. Of course that means buying the products that they market us, prepared, processed foods because we think they are convenient.

The fact that most of us now eat our main meal in the evening, which somehow we are required to cook and clean up for after work in most cases has been a massive shift as well. Has that changed in Germany too? I know southern Europeans still tend to eat a bigger meal in the middle of the day.

I also like the Asian way of eating, lots of smaller snacks (but freshly cooked at hawker markets) throughout the day and which is so cheap you dont need to go home a cook a meal.

It's one of the major appeals of collective living for me, that cooking and cleaning up afterwards was only something you had to do once a week for example. Bring on the refectory, I say. I

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