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Presidential lies
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Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:17 AM
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Originally posted by MIKER:Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote JewelStaiteFan: "The only thing that determines whether Nixon was
Impeached or not was whether he was Impeached, which he was not. The
House of Representatives never voted with at least 218 Yeas to Impeach
him, therefore he was not Impeached, not ever, never."
^^ Exactly so. Once we/I understand the legal terms and the legal
process, it is very simple. The HoR never voted on the Articles of
Impeachment for Nixon. The only vote about those articles was when
the House Judiciary Committee voted to submit them to the House.
You can assume anything you want about the implication of Nixon's
resignation and pardon. But they are not an impeachment.
They did not have to continue, he admitted guilt in accepting the pardon.
Please provide documentation where he wrote and signed, or spoke, his admission of guilt of anything. This admission of guilt would need to include the words "admit" and "guilt" in close relation to each other - not, however something about how nice the sunset is as proof that he admitted guilt.
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If you are charged with something and accept guilt then you have ended the process and are sentenced.
He was never charged. That would have been the Impeachment, prior to the Senate Trial. He never "accepted guilt" for anything criminal or violating the law, he only "accepted" that he should have handled things differently. He was never sentenced.
Never charged.
Never accepted guilt.
Never sentenced.
This leaves the entirety of your statement devoid of substance.
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The pardon was given to avoid trial and a jail term. The only charges against him were in the Articles of Impeachment.
These were proposed charges, since they were never approved or voted on by the full House. The House could have voted to not approve one, two, or all three of the charges (aka Articles) and the truth/fact would still remain - he was not charged.
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"RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours, and that the following articles of impeachment to be exhibited to the Senate".
"Richard Nixon had served a total of 2,026 days as the 37th President of the United States. He left office with 2 1/2 years of his second term remaining. A total of 25 officials from his administration, including four cabinet members, were eventually convicted and imprisoned for various crimes".
He was running. If when Richard Nixon resigned the Impeachment process ended, I would agree that he was forced out of office in disgrace yet was not Impeached.
Whoa!!
Hold the phone!!
Wait a minute!!!!
You agree that Nixon was not Impeached????
Holy Cow.
End of discussion. We now all agree Nixon was not Impeached, all who have posted in this thread.
Now we will be presented more blah blah repetition of the above blah blah ambulance chasers opine this and that blah blah.
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However the process of bringing Nixon to trial was ongoing, and a pardon was offered with great anguish on the part of Gerald Ford. This pardon prevented him from being criminally prosecuted for the crimes listed in the Articles of Impeachment. Therefore, Nixon accepted guilt of all charges in the Articles of Impeachment by accepting the pardon.
Further more:
Quote by Ford:
“His resignation was an implicit admission of guilt, and he could have to carry forever his burden of guilt.”
This is a quote from the signed pardon.
"Now,therefore, I Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or taken pNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:41 AM
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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Process:
At the federal level, the impeachment process is a two-step procedure.
The House of Representatives must first pass, by a simple majority of
those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute
the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached".
This thread is fun. For many reasons.
The much debated issue is clear: Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached". The articles were written but not passed, therefore he was not impeached. The intentions of the House don't change the fact that the process was not completed. Yes, they would have impeached him given more time, but they didn't have it and he was never officially impeached.
Similarly, he was never formally found guilty of any crime.
He was guilty as hell imho and in the opinion of just about anyone with a brain capable of observing. But such is our system that when the Mighty commit crimes, they don't have to pay.
Regarding Miker...
It was unmistakeable a few pages up the thread that he began to sense his wrongness so he started wriggling like mad to get out of having to taste crow. In a classic Rappy move, he shifted the discussion to the intentions of the House, the pardon, the question of whether Nixon actually did bad stuff, etc.
None of which changes the fact that Nixon was not impeached.
What was really revealed in this thread is that Miker is the type of poster who cannot admit he is wrong and will manipulate the discussion however needed to avoid it.
Further, Miker thinks that taking a different "side" on an issue is what defines his personality as being different from Rap. Like Rappy, he does not understand that his logic (or lack thereof) is the tell-tale. I could believe that he is yet another face of the poster behind Rappy, a sock invented to argue against himself because that makes him/her feel soooooo clever.
It's happened before. It will happen again.
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Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:51 AM
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Originally posted by MIKER:
The reason it is not called an Impeachment is because he accepted guilt of all charges and to just call it an Impeachment would be to lessen the graveness of history's final judgment against Richard Nixon.
In this thread you all keep saying Nixon has not accepted guilt, but Gerald Ford his Vice President at the time of the offence,
Incorrect. Ford was not the Veep at the time of any of the 3 proposed charges, or Articles of alleged misdeeds. Are you claiming another charge or Article specifying misdeeds which occurred at a time when Ford was Veep?
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and then President after Nixon's resignation says it did. That is the flaw in your argument.
Incorrect. Sorry, no flaw. Nixon was not Impeached, Nixon never stated or signed any statement which clearly specifies "I am guilty" or similar, and the lying sack of poo Ford who told us all that Lee Harvey Oswald was the LONE GUNMAN after whitewashing the JFK assassination conspiracy is not worth the drivel he spews.
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When the President of the United States and his staff of White House lawyers says he has admitted his guilt in two ways, fist by his resignation and then by his acceptance of the pardon, you need to realize this is his Vice President. These are his White House lawyers. It is them your are arguing with not me. All I am, and have been doing, is say what they said at the time. You need to bring your rebuttal to them if you wish. This whole time Gerald Ford and his lawyers are the ones you guys have been arguing with.
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“His resignation was an implicit admission of guilt, and he could have to carry forever his burden of guilt.”
1833 quote from the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Marshall, who wrote, “A pardon is an act of grace… which exempts the individual on whom it is bestowed from the punishment the law inflicts for a crime he has committed.” Becker determines that such an “act of grace” is an implicit admission of guilt. Unlike the proposed conditional amnesty for draft evaders (see August 31, 1974), a pardon will strike convictions from the books and exempt those pardoned from any responsibility for answering for their crimes, but it does not forget (in a legal sense) that those crimes took place. “The pardon is an act of forgiveness,” Becker explains. “We are forgiving you—the president, the executive, the king—is forgiving you for what you’ve done, your illegal act that you’ve either been convicted of, or that you’ve been accused of, or that you’re being investigated for, or that you’re on trial for. And you don’t have to accept this—you can refuse this.” The Burdick decision convinces Becker that by pardoning Nixon, Ford can stop his imminent prosecution, and undoubted conviction, without having to condone Nixon’s crimes. For Nixon to accept a pardon would be, in a legal sense, an admission of criminal wrongdoing. [Werth, 2006, pp. 263-265]
" For Nixon to accept a pardon would be, in a legal sense, an admission of criminal wrongdoing. [Werth, 2006, pp. 263-265]". The need for a vote in the house was negated by the pardon and admission of guilt.
Like I said, you guys are arguing with the wrong guy. I am just showing what the guys in charge; Gerald Ford and his White House Lawyers, Republicans all, said at the time.
It is not me that won't change his mind and admit I am wrong. It is these guys, GO GET EM!
I just realized I am wearing my BrownCoats shirt. I am to misbehave.
No, Ford's ambulance chasers never said Nixon was Impeached. They never claimed the House of Representatives voted to Impeach Nixon.
This was only you.
BTW, for even more biased nonsense, you really should have thrown in some references from Stanley Kutler.
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Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:52 AM
Frelling double post. Don't know how that happened.
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Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:53 AM
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Originally posted by MIKER:
I offer your last post for all to see how you address facts presented to you. Bla, Bla, Bla after which you ask for more documents and offer an opinion. That's great, I don't have to respond except to say to all who read this thread. This is the argument presented by the one who started this. I am not claiming Nixon admitted his guilt, Gerald Ford is to which I have provided many documents. You know the ones you brush off with such words of wisdom as, Bla, Bla, Bla.
Again, JEWSTAITEFAN. I put it to you, it is Gerald Ford Nixon's Vice President;( THEE ELECTED ) official you are in conflict with not me.
Thanks for that last post, it wraps it up nicely.
Incorrect. Ford was never elected to any Federal Office, and never won any nationwide election, either as President or Veep.
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Saturday, May 24, 2014 5:44 AM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Glad you were entertained.
Funny you should react like that.
Your personna has undergone a large shift as late. Just like Sig. Just like Rappy.
Hmmm.
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