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Former Arizona Sheriff Reveals Chilling Strategy to Put Women ‘Up at the Front’ During Bundy Ranch Standoff

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NIKI2

Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:40 PM

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Former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack revealed on Monday that he and other organizers who traveled to Clark County, Nev., to support Cliven Bundy during his land dispute with the feds planned to put women on the front lines in case the “rogue federal officers” started shooting.

Mack made the chilling revelation on Fox News’ “The Real Story” Monday, two days after the tense standoff between Bundy and the federal government came to a peaceful end.
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"We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front,” he said. “If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers."

“It was a tactical plot that I was trying to get them to use. If they’re going to start killing people, I’m sorry, but to show the world how ruthless these people are, women needed to be the first ones shot. I would have put my own wife or daughters there, and I would have been screaming bloody murder to watch them die.”

Mack apparently identifies with the Tea Party and claims to have spoken at numerous rallies. Mack was elected as Graham County sheriff in 1988 and he served two terms until 1997. Bundy does not recognize federal authority on land he insists belongs to Nevada. Excerpts from http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/former-arizona-sheriff-reve
als-chilling-strategy-to-put-women-up-at-the-front-during-bundy-ranch-standoff/#

So no, it’s not a radical Islamic terrorist who is wanting to use women as human shields. It’s just your typical gun toting, government hating conservative. Mack self-identifies with the Tea Party and is a featured Tea Party speaker ( http://phoenixteaparty.ning.com/events/meet-sheriff-richard-mack). I love this one:

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During the past two years Sheriff Mack has been a speaker at more than 70 different Tea Party rallies all across the country, ranging all the way from Honolulu to Bangor, Maine. Mack has supported this noble movement, because it is both effective and peaceful. http://cspoa.org/about/sheriff-mack/

Yeah, "noble" and "peaceful". Bunkered down, armed and ready, with women planned as shields.

Cliven Bundy owes the taxpayers more than $1 million for allowing his cattle to graze on government land, a rule which was put into place by executive order from the conservative God Ronald Reagan. Bundy purposely and consciously stopped paying taxes for grazing in the early 1990's. If people like Bundy don’t like the laws as they are, then vote for new elected officials who will change them. It’s called democracy, a concept apparently foreign to some. Among other concepts.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:45 PM

This is about as nutty as they come without blowin' s**t up.

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:48 PM

And Hannity brags about his involvement in this bogus rebellion.
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/16/sean-hannity-irresponsibly-prov
okes-cliven-bundy-stating-feds-kill.html

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:54 AM

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This is about as nutty as they come without blowin' s**t up.

Yeah, independents standing up to Federal Govt. control and oppression ... the nerve! What was Firefly about again?

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:58 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Yeah, independents standing up to Federal Govt. control and oppression ... the nerve! What was Firefly about again?

Not putting women in ruttin' front to get killed first!

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:06 AM

Both sides have their points, as well as their flaws.

The plans by the Feds to come in , guns a blazin, against civilians,don't seem to offend Niki too much. Just the tactics of the ranchers who are tired of being bullied by an over reacting Fed Govt.

Initial claims of $ 1 million in unpaid fees for grazing on BLM land are beyond ridiculous. No way could the bill be that much. I heard the came back and actually said the $ owed was a couple of hundred thousand dollars.

Also, key points -

Former Sheriff Mack was TRYING to get them to use this tactic. Nothing says that Bundy or anyone actually supported that idea.

And claiming that he IDENTIFIES with TEA party , doesn't necessarily mean he's a TEA party member, does it ? Or that it has any relevance to this issue ?

Anything and everything to drag the TEA party into this ,and try to tarnish that political movement w/ any negative association possible, huh?

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:09 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall

Not putting women in ruttin' front to get killed first!

No one is "putting" women in the front. That's just one man's psych-ops rhetoric for the Feds to fret over. But I have no doubt that some women would volunteer to take point despite the danger.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:09 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Anything and everything to drag the TEA party into this

Anything ... yes. Everything ... yes.

Can't really blame them when a shiny new dedicated source box is the reward for being a gorram Alliance collaborator.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:41 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Anything and everything to drag the TEA party into this

Anything ... yes. Everything ... yes.

Can't really blame them when a dedicated source box is the reward for being a gorram Alliance collaborator.

Mayor Bloomberg - " “Home-grown, maybe a mentally deranged person or somebody with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill…"

http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/05/04/ny-mayor-bloomberg-thinks-
times-square-bomber-is-a-tea-party-terrorist/#sthash.ErMm8Brm.dpuf

Brian Ross (ABC) - " There’s a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year. Now, we don’t know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it’s Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado." http://washingtonexaminer.com/abc-news-speculates-is-colorado-shooter-
a-member-of-the-tea-party/article/2502697

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 17, 2014 5:47 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Anything and everything to drag the TEA party into this ,and try to tarnish that political movement w/ any negative association possible, huh?

And anything & everything to drag down Obama, the Czar of the Hill.
Okay, maybe I've had my fill of this partisan masturbatory bullshit for now.
Being in the middle as I am means irritation from both sides; at least y'all leaning far left & far right need only be irritated from ONE direction.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:04 AM

1st person to even mention Obama in this thread - Chrissy.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 17, 2014 6:28 AM

Far left & far right peeps hate this...

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:41 AM

Captain Tracey was one of the series' best villains in one of Trek's best episodes.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:41 AM

Before that role, Morgan Woodward had experienced the horrors of the neural neutralizer.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:11 AM

'neural neutralizer'
Another name for today's PC bullshit & Tea party biscuits.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:19 AM

You need a A few days of R&R on Argelius II. Kirk knows a little place where the women ....

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:32 AM

I know the place!

OONJERAH

Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:27 AM

Between 7 years & 4 months ago, Kirk's powerful speech about
our Forefathers' clear and just intent has been posted on
Youtube Six times!
More if my seach terms, kirk & constitution, missed some.
.
.
P.S.
Yep. Searching for "The Omega Glory," I get a Bunch more Hits.
If so many people love this episode and this scene, maybe
there's hope for We the People.

oooOO}{OOooo

Hmmmm. Just a tad off topic, I am. :)

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 17, 2014 8:30 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Former Sheriff Mack was TRYING to get them to use this tactic. Nothing says that Bundy or anyone actually supported that idea.

This is a good point.

Any time the Feds come to a non-emergency situation armed to the teeth I gotta figure they're the potential bad guys.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:29 PM

"Former Arizona Sheriff Reveals Chilling Strategy to Put Women ‘Up at the Front’ During Bundy Ranch Standoff"
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What's so unusual about putting women up at the front at The Bunny Ranch? They always come out to meet the new arrivals. The gals at the Bunny Ranch were HBO superstars until 'Cathouse' ended. They fear no man's weapon. They can handle whatever arises.

1KIKI

Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:01 PM

To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. - Thomas Paine The American Crisis

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

NIKI2

Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:03 PM

Jongs' post is so far beyond asinine...

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Any time the Feds come to a non-emergency situation armed to the teeth...

Grant you the point has merit. Also, however, given past experience, they'd be stupid not to arrive armed, given the stated intention of the opposition and past experience.

None of that exculpates someone proposing putting women in the front lines expressly TO be killed, in my opinion.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:13 PM

Mack's a whack, totally.

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 18, 2014 2:24 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Jongs' post is so far beyond asinine...

It was humorous, though very silly. If you're silly, you toss up a half dozen emoticons, but if anyone else does it, " beyond asinine ".

Got it.

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Any time the Feds come to a non-emergency situation armed to the teeth...

Grant you the point has merit. Also, however, given past experience, they'd be stupid not to arrive armed, given the stated intention of the opposition and past experience.

Ruby Ridge, Waco, Elian Gonzalez, all say " hello ".

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None of that exculpates someone proposing putting women in the front lines expressly TO be killed, in my opinion.

Wouldn't want the impression that women are equal or something, would we ? That woudn't be proper.

( OK - I'm HALF kidding. It's a deplorable idea, but what if they were side by side, armed, and willing to defend their land, same as the men ? That'd make more sense, wouldn't it ? )

Dollars to donuts that Niki also calls my comment " beyond asinine " too. 3,2,1....

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 18, 2014 2:40 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Niki2:

Jongs' post is so far beyond asinine...

It was humorous, though very silly. If you're silly, you toss up a half dozen emoticons, but if anyone else does it, " beyond asinine ".

Got it.

Yeah Rap. Asinine my muscular buttocks! The Bunny Ranch girls are hi-larious.

CHRISISALL

Friday, April 18, 2014 4:15 AM

This is an interesting quote from Mr. Bundy, though:
“I abide by all state laws. But I abide by almost zero federal laws,”

OREALLY.

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 18, 2014 4:24 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

The Bunny Ranch girls are hi-larious.

I didn't know it was a comedy club.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

NIKI2

Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:29 PM

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“I abide by all state laws. But I abide by almost zero federal laws,”

Yeah, Chris; "all men are created equal", but some are more "equal" than others, apparently.

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The latest right-wing media poster-victim, Cliven Bundy, is just the latest in a long line of desert dwellers who thinks he or she should not have to follow the law and has a god-given right to unlimited use of public resources, in this case, rangeland. I know the mentality well, because I grew up in rural Nevada and clung desperately to such beliefs until only a few years ago.

Bundy has not paid grazing fees in close to 20 years, while the federal government has, with painful, stupid moves, tried to somehow deal with him. Bundy also faced restrictions because he continued to graze cattle on a slice of public land reserved for the endangered desert tortoise. He was invited to talk to Sean Hannity (of course) about the “standoff.”

“We want freedom,” Bundy said. I don’t know what freedom Bundy’s talking about. He does not own the land nor does he even pay the modest fees required to use it. Thousands of ranchers across the West pay fees for their businesses, but Bundy thinks he should get to use public resources to make a personal profit. Cliven Bundy, far from being a patriot, is also clearly a straight-up communist.

Bundy is using the language of freedom, patriotism and outright paranoia to further his business interests. He succeeded wildly in drawing other “patriots” to his slice of contested desert. I don’t know these exact people, but the words and phrases they used were the nursery rhymes of my childhood. I’ve been listening to ignorant people bitch about the federal “gub’met,” since I could crawl, and I’m weary of it. I can’t bear to hear poor people rally to the defense of moneyed interests like mining and ranching, like well-trained, bleating sheep. As tired and silly as I find his language, clearly it worked. He so inflamed the lunatic militia movement, that many rallied to him, often from out of state, with guns and naked threats. They created a real possibility that someone might get killed, so the feds backed down.

It is asinine in our age that an armed group of idiots can thwart reasonable government action. Bundy is not a hero, a victim or innocent in any way. Just think of real injustice of America, like people spending life in jail for marijuana charges. It’s hard to imagine the “militia,” a mostly fat, white and ignorant group, showing up to defend a kid in the inner city who was arrested for no reason. Also think what would happen to you, if you opted not to register your car for 20 years. Bundy exploits the most sickening version of white privilege to justify what amounts to theft.

The basic facts of this story obfuscate the decades of history, animosity and lies between the federal government and the so-called Sagebrush Rebellion that started in the late ’70s. The movement is centered in Elko, Nev., a town next door to Battle Mountain, the much smaller town where I grew up. If you’ve not spent time in the rural desert, you’ll have a hard time understanding the vast spaces in play. Lander County, where Battle Mountain is located, is the geographic size of Vermont but has no more than 5,000 people.

I grew up on 40 acres of brown sagebrush. Particularly when I was a child, cattle roamed carelessly across our property. They even had right of way on my father’s land unless he fenced the entire lot with four-strands of barbed wire, an expensive and ugly option. This is the freedom for which patriots are fighting: for cows to trump personal property rights.

We could argue about whether the land should belong to the federal government, but what is not in dispute is that Bundy has no ownership of it. He won’t even pay fees to use it. In short, he refuses to pay rent, like thousands of other ranchers do dutifully every year. Again, I’d like to observe if Bundy is not a communist, he’s at least an aggress

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AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 20, 2014 7:52 PM

Stating that Bundy can ' whittle, spit and reminisce' while the rest of us city folk actually do something of value , is pretty demeaning to him and all ranchers.

BTW - who here is fine w/ the BLM taking and then shooting Bundy's cattle ?

Anyone ?

How does that help " the greater good " , if all they do is kill those animals, and not take them to be used for profit for the govt ?

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:56 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
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“I abide by all state laws. But I abide by almost zero federal laws,”

Yeah, Chris; "all men are created equal", but some are more "equal" than others, apparently.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt until now. I've read up on this from both Conservative & Liberal sites, and watched the interviews now, and my verdict is that this guy is a nut. If a Republican was in the White House, he'd be described as a nut by most. But because Obama is in there, somehow this guy symbolizes 'freedom' to the anti-Barry wackjobs.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:01 AM

Nut or not, does the use of force by the BLM make any sense ? They shot the man's cattle. They drew first blood.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:06 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nut or not, does the use of force by the BLM make any sense ? They shot the man's cattle. They drew first blood.

They shot his cattle? Really?
I thought they just shot two of his Bulls out of fear for their pansy asses (No, I don't like how they handled themselves, but mess with the man & his FEES and shit WILL happen).

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:35 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
They shot his cattle? Really?
I thought they just shot two of his Bulls out of fear for their pansy asses

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:10 AM

Yeah, that's funny, but the ultimate lesson here is that if you use force to fight a bigger force you will lose. Especially if you are a nut.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:10 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, that's funny, but the ultimate lesson here is that if you use force to fight a bigger force you will lose. Especially if you are a nut.

Founding Fathers lol'd a bit. Good one.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

NIKI2

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:28 PM

Then there's Bundy himself, who apparently has no problem lying outright:

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“I’ve lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements.” http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-un
der-scrutiny

While it may come as no surprise that Fox news, along with all of the other right wing media outlets that pushed Bundy’s narrative, never bothered to fact check these claims, local reporters from KLAS -TV decided to check the historical records. What they discovered is that the Bundy family purchased the land on which Cliven Bundy’s ranch is located in 1948, from Raoul and Ruth Levin. The record also shows that prior to 1948, the Bundy family resided in the state of Arizona. So he lied.

Also, he claimed his family was there before the creation of the BLM:

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“My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here...” “My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here,”

Records show that the Bundy family was never granted water rights for land that borders the 160 acre ranch. The BLM also began managing the land in question two years before the Bundy’s even moved from the state of Arizona to Nevada. What’s more, the Bundy family didn’t begin to graze cattle on the federal land in question until 1954, a full ten years after the BLM was formed. So he lied about several things.

Seems to me that while Cliven Bundy has never had the legal right to graze his cattle on land that he does not own, his fake plight has been hyped by conservative media outlets across the country, that right-wing media jumped on this story is because it furthers the narrative of the big, bad evil government encroaching on the ‘little guy.’ As it turns out, everything Bundy has said about his ‘ancestral rights’ is just another bold faced lie, being told by another right wing ‘patriot’ con artist who just wants to get richer and not pay his taxes.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:32 PM

So, only there for 66 years, and not 137?

Wow. Game changer there alright.

When AlGore lies, it's minutiae.

Anyone else? That makes them liars & their cause phony & contrived.

Got it.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:45 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Yeah, that's funny, but the ultimate lesson here is that if you use force to fight a bigger force you will lose. Especially if you are a nut.

Founding Fathers lol'd a bit. Good one.

Have you heard of the Confederate States of America? Did it win defending Conservative Values? I was not surprised by where I found Auraptor's location on the Browncoat Map. www.fireflyfans.net/browncoatsmap.aspx

There is Auraptor's marker near Stonewall Jackson Drive. And close by is Stone Mountain with patriotic President Jefferson Davis on the Confederate Memorial Carving. (The memorial is east of Atlanta, if you want to look up Auraptor.) www.stonemountainpark.com/activities/history-nature/Confederate-Memori
al-Carving.aspx For some, Stone Mountain is only a historical park. But for others it symbolizes conservative values very dear to their extremist hearts.

It is not a surprise that Auraptor is defending Bundy. It is probably in the Auraptor bloodline to defend lost causes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:25 PM

Second - you literally have no idea of what you're saying. Please, stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:33 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Second - you literally have no idea of what you're saying. Please, stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

You're literally not in Georgia? You're literally not supporting a Lost Cause? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy That Bundy isn't claiming that the USA has no authority over federal land, which is very Confederate of him?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:18 PM

Never lived in the town, area or on stone mountain. It was never my address. Zip code 30033, however, is where I use live, for a while. If you're so hell bent on assigning physical location as the determining factor of how one thinks, politically , then by YOUR standards, I'm a flaming elitist Left winger. Why? Because my former address was across the street of the campus of Emory University. I LIVED in Cynthia McKinney's old 4th district... Literally, you have no clue.

I'd continue, but you get the idea.

Try not to be such a bigot from now on, k?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

SECOND

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:27 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Never lived in the town, area or on stone mountain. It was never my address. Zip code 30033, however, is where I use live, for a while. If you're so hell bent on assigning physical location as the determining factor of how one thinks, politically , then by YOUR standards, I'm a flaming elitist Left winger. Why? Because my former address was across the street of the campus of Emory University. I LIVED in Cynthia McKinney's old 4th district... Literally, you have no clue.

I'd continue, but you get the idea.

Try not to be such a bigot from now on, k?

Not okay.

From the Browncoats map, AURaptor could only have gotten closer to the heart of the old Confederacy by building inside Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial with the entrance to the AURaptor cave through the high relief sculpture of President Jefferson Davis's horse's ass.

If there are two AURaptor's on this site, and the one on the map was never you, I apologize for mistaking you for somebody else, but the Confederacy and all its history really fits you well.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NIKI2

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:55 PM

Yeah, Second...he's posted several things that indicate he's in Georgia, near Atlanta, over time; I caught onto that one a long time ago. He can deny it all day, but we all know he's quite happy to lie, so why engage him?

NIKI2

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:10 PM

That map thing is neat, Second, I had fun with it for a bit. See myself, right there in San Rafael, and found a few others I know. There's Frem, outside Ypsilanti, and HCav in Seattle, Mike right where he's always said, Austin, Texas, Oonj up Placerville way (I'm envious, Oonj, but I've said that before, haven't I?). CTTS always said she was in Peru, and dang, there she is. Chris in Mass., just like he said, too, and Brenda near Vancouver, Canada--hey, lookit that, "BigDamnNobody" is a Canook!

So where you at, Second, and how did you find people? I know where some of them have said they live so looked 'em up, but how do you look 'em up without knowing? Tweaky! ;o)

ETA: Interesting..."Bluehandmenace" and Jongs right beside one another down there in Florida. And hey, Kiki and Sig right SMACK dab next to one another down in L.A.--I thought Kiki said she was in San Dimas, and Sig in Downey, "near Long Beach"... Might be an interesting way to find sockpuppets if it's accurate...hmmm... There are places where there are up to seven "Browncoats" right on top of one another...hee, hee, hee...

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Yeah, Second...he's posted several things that indicate he's in Georgia, near Atlanta, over time; I caught onto that one a long time ago. He can deny it all day, but we all know he's quite happy to lie, so why engage him?

Hey Niki - go blank yourself. Seriously, this sort of bullshit pisses me off.

I freely stated I am from Atl, but no where near Stone Mt. I don't " indicate " it, I plainly state it as fact. ( Emory U., 4th District )

The map is wrong. Either by mistake, intent of who runs this site, or someone else, thinking if " funny ", by trying to cast aspirations ( lies ), I cannot tell.

SECOND

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, Second...he's posted several things that indicate he's in Georgia, near Atlanta, over time; I caught onto that one a long time ago. He can deny it all day, but we all know he's quite happy to lie, so why engage him?

There are good reasons. From top to bottom, American conservatism is in deep moral and intellectual decline. Conservatives try to distort the record. Their experts display a combination of mendacity and sheer incompetence. And the little fish, who post anonymously, are even less careful with facts. So let's crank up the rumor mill about the soil from which AURaptor sprung forth. He forever pretends to be reasonable and factual. The internet needs to put a tiny concern into him that his tricks can be traced back to a real person.

Yesterday AURaptor wrote “Signed, even though it was moveon dot org.

THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH I REALLY DO CARE !!” at www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=57895

Gathering that fact together with the Zip code

AURaptor left on this thread, I'm taking a stab that he is

, on a petition yesterday about naming SpaceX hardware after Serenity. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/tell-spacex-next-manned?source=s.fwd&
amp;r_by=6024976

is 20 miles north of Stone Mountain Confederacy Memorial. Zip Code

is west of the Memorial. AURaptor could be orbiting the Memorial, I guess, searching for a place to rest his birdbrain.

See the problem with signing petitions at moveon.org, AURaptor? It is possible to honorably defend conservatism, but you're falling short of all standards. Please do better in the future.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

NIKI2

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:02 PM

Fun...ny, Second. Interesting sleuthing, but I dunno. "Johns Creek" is a long ways from Stone Mountain, and even further from Atlanta, so who knows.

But I love how the map is so "wrong", Rap hinting that Haken's...what, out to get him? Or embarrass him?

Quote:
...intent of who runs this site, or someone else, thinking if " funny ", by trying to cast aspirations ( lies )

(I assume he means "aspersions?") Despite being bang on for so many other people...it's gotta be deliberate and aimed just at him!

In fairness, at least for me the map IS somewhat wrong...it's got me out by Peacock Gap (don't I wish we had that kind of dough!), East of San Rafael, while we're actually West of town on the San Anselmo border, so it's definitely not spot on. In my case, about three miles off.

So, again, where're you? I'm off to more interesting things right now--I'm a Crazy Californian and Rap is a Georgia Cracker, who cares?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:38 PM

this is the crazy I'm having to deal with here...

Quote:
Despite being bang on for so many other people...it's gotta be deliberate and aimed just at him!

Is followed by...

Quote:
.In fairness, at least for me the map IS somewhat wrong...it's got me out by Peacock Gap (don't I wish we had that kind of dough!), East of San Rafael, while we're actually West of town on the San Anselmo border, so it's definitely not spot on. In my case, about three miles off.

.

It's spot on, except when it isn't, huh?

The map is off by far more than 3 miles from anywhere I've ever lived.

* aspersions * is what I meant . Fast tapping fingers on a smart phone w/ auto correct . I've seen worse typos.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

But I love how the map is so "wrong", Rap hinting that Haken's...what, out to get him? Or embarrass him?
Quote:
...intent of who runs this site, or someone else, thinking if " funny ", by trying to cast aspirations ( lies )

(I assume he means "aspersions?")

I think he got it right, Nickie. He's a Confederate wannabee, living in Fantasyland.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:21 AM

And the false narrative continues. Anything to attack & besmirch, when honest debate just won't do.

Nothing about conservatism has a jot to do with the Confederacy. It really harkens to the basic ideals that forged the foundation of this great nation, the revolution ,which is why the TEA party symbol is the Gadsden flag, & not some confederate battle flag.

The disingenuous " CSA " crap is nothing but fodder for the ' dumb masses ' who back the occu-babies.

SECOND

Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And the false narrative continues. Anything to attack & besmirch, when "honest" debate just won't do.

"Nothing" about conservatism has a jot to do with the Confederacy. It really harkens to the "basic ideals" that forged the foundation of this great nation, the revolution . . . blah, blah, blah.

Honest my ass. Get down from high horse, AURaptor.

You need a lesson, as do the liberals. There is a Georgia story and Bundy story here, too : www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/clive-bundy-and-the-tyran
ny-all-around-us/361039/
Cliven Bundy and the Tyranny All Around Us
Ta-Nehisi Coates :: The Atlantic

I've been laughing my way through the Cliven Bundy fiasco because, as Jamelle Bouie suggests, there may be no better example of racist privilege than the right to flout the government's authority and then back its agents down at gunpoint. Bouie asks, hypothetically, how we'd respond if Bundy were black.

Inasmuch as this is even a question, American history has already answered it (emphasis added):

In an 18-month investigation, The Associated Press documented a pattern in which black Americans were cheated out of their land or driven from it through intimidation, violence and even murder.

In some cases, government officials approved the land takings; in others, they took part in them. The earliest occurred before the Civil War; others are being litigated today. Some of the land taken from black families has become a country club in Virginia, oil fields in Mississippi, a major-league baseball spring training facility in Florida ...

The AP —- in an investigation that included interviews with more than 1,000 people and the examination of tens of thousands of public records in county courthouses and state and federal archives —- documented 107 land takings in 13 Southern and border states.

In those cases alone, 406 black landowners lost more than 24,000 acres of farm and timber land plus 85 smaller properties, including stores and city lots. Today, virtually all of this property, valued at tens of millions of dollars, is owned by whites or by corporations.

That is from the AP's exceptional (and oft-overlooked) 2001 series "Torn From The Land." What generally followed this tearing was not a patriotic defense of the little guy but mob violence and ethnic cleansing. In 1912, Forsyth County, Georgia, expelled 1,000 black people —- 10 percent of its total population —- and appropriated their land. (For more on the subject, I suggest Marco Williams's superb documentary Banished.) The unfortunate fact is that plunder—of land, labor, children, whatever—is a defining characteristic of this country's relationship with black people. American militias have rarely formed to end that sort of plunder. They've generally formed to enable it.

The thing to do here, as Chris Hayes points out, is not to argue that Bundy should be subject to the kind of violence that black people who find themselves in dispute with the government's agents often are. (There's nothing for liberals to cheer about in a running gunfight over grazing fees.) The thing to do is to recognize the limits of our sympathies and try to extend them. "How about widening the aperture," Hayes asks, "for the tyranny you see all around you?"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:05 AM

I'm on no high horse & the lesson to be learned is by you, second.

You're wrong about this entire issue.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 2:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're wrong about this entire issue.

No Rick, he ain't.
There, according to your way of debating, I just proved it conclusively.

STORYMARK

Thursday, April 24, 2014 3:07 AM

HA!

One of those funny/sad situations - since he really does think that constitutes a cogent argument.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 5:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're wrong about this entire issue.
No Rick(?), he ain't.
There, according to your way of debating, I just proved it conclusively.

Yes, he / she is. ( blue avatar chick implies second is female. What ever )

Let's review the list of inaccuracies and pointless, baseless lies.

1. I'm fully on the side of the Bundy family: WRONG - I believe all I've said about the issue , pertaining to who is right or wrong, is that the Feds shot some of his cattle, and that they've gone way over board in their show of force.

2. I live in or around Stone Mountain GA: Wrong. Never have. Sorry. Thems the facts. ( What truly is funny as hell is that the " spot on " map has me allegedly living ON THE GORRAM MOUNTAIN !! ROFLMAO !!! ) Crassic!

3. Because I lived in the close proximity of Stone Mountain, I MUST be some Confederate nutjob, which automatically makes me a racist, etc... completely false.

4. And since I fully support Cliven Bundy, and live near Stone Mountain, and because ALL those who support him are Confederate sympathizers, they, and I , are ALL racists. ( This includes every TEA party patriot, and everyone who did NOT vote for Obama. )

5. The mere idea that a person's physical location is what solely determines how they think, what they believe, etc... is beyond question - WRONG.

Funny, the idiot fascists who claim to be so tolerant, anti-prejudiced and against bigotry are the very ones displaying those exact qualities. Far more than anyone they accuse of doing.

John's Creek is not in zipcode 30033.

And why in the HELL would you blatantly post another Browncoats name on the internet, w/ out their permission?

Planning to visit them ?

Just more proof what fucking psychopathic assholes that lurk on this site. Sad.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:11 AM

AU, your holier-than-thou, always-right-all-the-time attitude has made some (including me at times) pretty fucking tired of the shit.
I see your positive points, but mainly in your non-political posts.
Suggestion: post in the entertainment areas only where we seem to get along fine. Your political views are too out there to ever be taken seriously by any but the most damaged individuals or corporate controllers.
Also, anyone can now get anyone's name, address & mortgage payments online. There is no anonymity any more.
I blame Al Gore.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:22 AM

Every single point I brought up in this thread is , hate to say, dead on accurate.

If you think it isn't, prove me wrong.

Or kindly shut the fuck up.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Every single point I brought up in this thread is , hate to say, dead on accurate.

If you think it isn't, prove me wrong.

Or kindly shut the fuck up.

You cannot be proven wrong (to YOU), because your definition of proof is that which does not exist. You have a history of not being able to understand facts as they apply to any given situation. You would need to drop your inability to see your possible error. See, I can be wrong. I accept this. And I HAVE been wrong on many occasions and on multiple levels, and I attempt to learn from my mistaken interpretations of things. I would humbly (well, not really 'humbly') suggest you do the same.

*Yet another attempt to reach a point of reason; I must love lost causes*

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Every single point I brought up in this thread is , hate to say, dead on accurate.

If you think it isn't, prove me wrong.

Or kindly shut the fuck up.
You cannot be proven wrong (to YOU), because your definition of proof is that which does not exist. You have a history of not being able to understand facts as they apply to any given situation. You would need to drop your inability to see your possible error. See, I can be wrong. I accept this. And I HAVE been wrong on many occasions and on multiple levels, and I attempt to learn from my mistaken interpretations of things. I would humbly (well, not really 'humbly') suggest you do the same.

*Yet another attempt to reach a point of reason; I must love lost causes*

Hey dumbass - SHOW where I was wrong, and stop your bitchin'. Of the points I listed, where am I wrong ?

Here - Pick one, any one.

1. I'm fully on the side of the Bundy family: WRONG - I believe all I've said about the issue , pertaining to who is right or wrong, is that the Feds shot some of his cattle, and that they've gone way over board in their show of force.

2. I live in or around Stone Mountain GA: Wrong. Never have. Sorry. Thems the facts. ( What truly is funny as hell is that the " spot on " map has me allegedly living ON THE GORRAM MOUNTAIN !! ROFLMAO !!! ) Crassic!

3. Because I lived in the close proximity of Stone Mountain, I MUST be some Confederate nutjob, which automatically makes me a racist, etc... completely false.

4. And since I fully support Cliven Bundy, and live near Stone Mountain, and because ALL those who support him are Confederate sympathizers, they, and I , are ALL racists. ( This includes every TEA party patriot, and everyone who did NOT vote for Obama. )

5. The mere idea that a person's physical location is what solely determines how they think, what they believe, etc... is beyond question - WRONG.

Excuse making is what you appear to love most.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hey dumbass - SHOW where I was wrong

I already explained that you cannot be 'shown'. Why on Earth would I expend the time to cut/paste/explain it to you just to get another "You just proved me right" retort?
Kiss my freckled butt.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hey dumbass - SHOW where I was wrong
I already explained that you cannot be 'shown'. Why on Earth would I expend the time to cut/paste/explain it to you just to get another "You just proved me right" retort?
Kiss my freckled butt.

Supported Cliven Bundy ? No ? Can't show where I did that, can you ?

Lived in or around ( the city of ) Stone Mountain ? Not gonna give that one a try, huh?

Or maybe you'd like to defend the bigoted claim that a person is bound to think a certain way, simply because of where they live ( or don't live ) ? That'd be your best best, if you were man enough. Guess not.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:15 AM

I do not feel my freckled butt kissed here.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I do not feel my freckled butt kissed here.

You'll freely make baseless, empty claims, but you'll never back them up ?

OK, got it.

NIKI2

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:19 AM

I stopped reading a while back when it turned into a Raptorfest. So, to get back on track, this seems to have been completely left behind:

Then there's Bundy himself, who apparently has no problem lying outright:

Quote:
“I’ve lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements.” http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25301551/bundys-ancestral-rights-come-un
der-scrutiny

Quote:
“My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here...” “My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here,”

M52NICKERSON

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hey dumbass - SHOW where I was wrong
I already explained that you cannot be 'shown'. Why on Earth would I expend the time to cut/paste/explain it to you just to get another "You just proved me right" retort?
Kiss my freckled butt.

Rappy can't be shown, but I can show everyone else.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Both sides have their points, as well as their flaws.

The plans by the Feds to come in , guns a blazin, against civilians,don't seem to offend Niki too much. Just the tactics of the ranchers who are tired of being bullied by an over reacting Fed Govt.

Initial claims of $ 1 million in unpaid fees for grazing on BLM land are beyond ridiculous. No way could the bill be that much. I heard the came back and actually said the $ owed was a couple of hundred thousand dollars.

The Feds did not come in with guns blazing. They started to round up the cows that were illegally on federal land. Rappy will claim something about cows being shot, but that is a claim being made by Bundy and his supporters. Had the Feds come in guns blazing we would have had a bunch of dead protesters.

Bundy does indeed own over $1 million in unpaid fees and fines. He was being fined $200 per day per head of cattle for not removing them from federal land. He has around 900 cattle.

Of course in the end Bundy will lose. The government simply had to let this issue settle down, and watch. When Bundy tries to sell any of his cattle they notify potential buyers that the cattle is the federal governments and will be confiscated. Bundy will not be able to sell the cattle and at some point will be bankrupt.

No need for guns blazing.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
everything Bundy has said about his ‘ancestral rights’ is just another bold faced lie, being told by another right wing ‘patriot’ con artist who just wants to get richer and not pay his taxes.

Well done, Niki!!!

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:33 AM

Quote:

Rappy will claim something about cows being shot, but that is a claim being made by Bundy and his supporters

http://www.inquisitr.com/1220627/bundy-ranch-cliven-bundy-discovers-bl
m-mass-cow-graves-graphic-images/ ( prolly fake )

http://www.naturalnews.com/044746_animal_atrocities_mass_graves_Bundy_
Ranch.html ( more Bundy supporters )

Prolly just taking a nap, tired from all that illegal grazing, huh?

Help me out here. Refute these , so I don't have to sleep at night, thinking the BLM actually committed atrocities.

TIA

( And I believe I said 'cattle', and not cow or cows. )

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:38 AM

That ain't no Bundy cattle.
"Here's just one..."
Oh yeah, just one.
Cowpies.

REAVERFAN

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:40 AM

Rappy gets pwned again. Predictable.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
( And I believe I said 'cattle', and not cow or cows. )

And that changes the validity of these dubious links exactly how....?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
That ain't no Bundy cattle.
"Here's just one..."
Oh yeah, just one.
Cowpies.

When asked if they had received any explanation from the BLM regarding the dead cattle, Carol said they are not in communication with the agency. The family says they have found a total of eight dead cows so far — “four from the pit, two in the corral and then two bulls out on the range that we found.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/21/bundy-family-claims-to-have
-uncovered-disturbing-new-evidence-in-aftermath-of-tense-ranch-battle-with-feds/

Just one, huh ?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
( And I believe I said 'cattle', and not cow or cows. )
And that changes the validity of these dubious links exactly how....?

Oh, we agree. Very dubious. Only, I don't see anyone refuting them, other than ' Nuh-uh ! ' type remarks.

Funny, use to be a past time of you and others to claim I never cited anything. And when I do, they get dismissed, out of hand, and called 'dubious'.

Literally no winning with you cultists, is there ?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Rappy gets pwned again. Predictable.

Really? Pwned ? How so ? Can you elaborate on exactly how ?

Or are just acting like a 5 year old, unable to offer anything of substance ?

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:56 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Just one, huh ?

I said two definitely, but I may not be in possession of all the facts.
Errr, I mean, YES, I am correct! YOU are wrong!! There, that proves it!
Say something else so's I can employ the deadly rubber/glue gambit! I double dawg dare ya!

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny, use to be a past time of you and others to claim I never cited anything. And when I do, they get dismissed, out of hand, and called 'dubious'.
Literally no winning with you cultists, is there ?

As long as you cite shit sites, not really.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:59 AM

If Bundy was a homo all the libtards would be defending his ass 'til the cows came home.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If Bundy was a homo all the libtards would be defending his ass 'til the cows came home.

There is all manner of potential there, but I'm not touching it with a 10 meter cattle prod.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny, use to be a past time of you and others to claim I never cited anything. And when I do, they get dismissed, out of hand, and called 'dubious'.
Literally no winning with you cultists, is there ?
As long as you cite shit sites, not really.

Gimmie something from ABC, CNN, MSNBC or a 'peer reviewed ' cite to clarify and put this matter to bed.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
libtards

You are fined one credit.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Gimmie something from ABC, CNN, MSNBC or a 'peer reviewed ' cite to clarify and put this matter to bed.

I give you what you give us: nothing.
Gimmie gimmie... go beg in front of the Stock Exchange.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Gimmie something from ABC, CNN, MSNBC or a 'peer reviewed ' cite to clarify and put this matter to bed.
I give you what you give us: nothing.
Gimmie gimmie... go beg in front of the Stock Exchange.

Actually, I gave you cites, links, pics and a very relevant South Park clip.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If Bundy was a homo all the libtards would be defending his ass 'til the cows came home.

There is all manner of potential there, but I'm not touching it with a 10 meter cattle prod.

Spare the prod, just smack 'em.

1KIKI

Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:12 AM

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

ELVISCHRIST

Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If Bundy was a homo all the libtards would be defending his ass 'til the cows came home.

And if he was black, you'd say that he's lazy because he never learned to pick cotton.

Oh, wait - that's what HE said over the weekend about "the negro."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/24/conservatives-begin-backing-away
-after-cliven-bundys-remarks-disparaging-the-negro/

Jongsstraw: "Fuck you and the gangbanged skank that didn't abort you."
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=56881

"If you don't know that, you're just a huge fucking idiot."
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=56819&p=2

"Prove you're not an asshole."
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=56761

NIKI2

Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:19 PM

Whatever happened to

Quote:
He may not change, but the conversation can - if we decide to do it.

Right now all we've done is segue from every thread becoming about him - to every thread becoming a series of pics and comments about how we're not gong to let it be about him.

Just actually ignore the little shit. He can keep spewing - but we don't have to let him dominate EVERY GODDAMNED conversation.

Maybe we need some sort of designation. The first person to acknowledge any of that shit is the "sucker of the day" or something.

Oh, and the next time there's a complaint about something posted from HuffPost, Raw Story, Crooks and Liars, DemocraticUnderground, etc., let's remember that The Blaze and Inquisitor are considered "legit". Just sayin'...

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:37 PM

Prove the substance to be false, if you can.

( I stopped short of posting anything from infowars, so cut me SOME slack )

ETA - caught up to speed with Cliven's " pickin cotton " remarks, in full context.

He's nuts, and greatly ignorant. And wrong, about a great deal. Dunno if that makes the use of force by the Feds any less reprehensible though. As I stated from my 1st post , there's plenty of wrong done by both sides.

SECOND

Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
He's nuts, and greatly ignorant. And wrong, about a great deal. Dunno if that makes the use of force by the Feds any less reprehensible though.

Stop with the crap about "Dunno". Convince me of your high-minded sentiments. Do you think Fed force is wrong in the hypothetical case, below? Tell me the truth, which requires your explanation of how the Feds can avoid using force. You're not allowed to suggest anything remotely like the Feds should just wait patiently until Bundy changes his mind voluntarily, no matter how long it takes.

Imagine the reaction if a young black man, named Bundy, living in my gentrifying neighborhood reacted to some adverse change in government policy — perhaps funding cuts led a bus line in the neighborhood to get shut down — by stealing a bus. Then when the cops come to take the bus back, he brings out fifty friends, some of them armed, and start talking about putting the women out front so they'll be shot first. My overwhelming presupposition is that he'd end up shot dead, along with his armed buddies, and that would about be the end of it. There would be no partisan political controversy about whether or not it is appropriate for black Bundy to react to changes in bus route planning with violence.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AURAPTOR

Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:52 PM

#2 - you're among the last I'll bother replying to here . You're in no position to tell anyone to stop in how they think or feel.

I'll deal in the facts, first. You can play in fantasy land.

OONJERAH

Friday, April 25, 2014 1:11 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Whatever happened to
Quote:
He may not change, but the conversation can - if we decide to do it.

Right now all we've done is segue from every thread becoming about him - to every thread becoming a series of pics and comments about how we're not gong to let it be about him.

Just actually ignore the little shit. He can keep spewing - but we don't have to let him dominate EVERY GODDAMNED conversation.

Maybe we need some sort of designation. The first person to acknowledge any of that shit is the "sucker of the day" or something.

Excuse me. Suggestion:

He likes to start a lot of threads.
He pisses some folks off so much, they still feel the need to reply to him.
Others just like to slap him around. If so, speak to him in his own threads.

Answer to him in a thread intended for general conversation & real com-
munication, then you're the "Sucker of the Day."

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss their neighbors. ... Tiny minds just bait and troll.

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 25, 2014 1:23 AM

Quote:
He likes to start a lot of threads.

Who starts a lot of threads ?

Niki? 1kiki ?

Hmm?

REAVERFAN

Friday, April 25, 2014 3:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nothing about conservatism has a jot to do with the Confederacy. It really harkens to the basic ideals that forged the foundation of this great nation, the revolution ,which is why the TEA party symbol is the Gadsden flag, & not some confederate battle flag.

M52NICKERSON

Friday, April 25, 2014 10:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
That ain't no Bundy cattle.
"Here's just one..."
Oh yeah, just one.
Cowpies.

When asked if they had received any explanation from the BLM regarding the dead cattle, Carol said they are not in communication with the agency. The family says they have found a total of eight dead cows so far — “four from the pit, two in the corral and then two bulls out on the range that we found.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/21/bundy-family-claims-to-have
-uncovered-disturbing-new-evidence-in-aftermath-of-tense-ranch-battle-with-feds/

Just one, huh ?

The family claims...the same family that has lied about having rights to the land? Yes really believable.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

AURAPTOR

Friday, April 25, 2014 10:50 AM

Think they shot their own cattle ?

M52NICKERSON

Saturday, April 26, 2014 6:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Think they shot their own cattle ?

I would not put that past them. Man could get that desperate knowing that sooner of later Uncle Sam is going to collect on that $1 million dollar debt.

....oh, and we have a program to feed the poor.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Think they shot their own cattle ?

I would not put that past them. Man could get that desperate knowing that sooner of later Uncle Sam is going to collect on that $1 million dollar debt.

Chrissy mentioned that the Feds admitted to shooting the animals, out of fear for their lives. Did ya miss that ?

( unconfirmed reports that there may have been a 2nd shooter are still being checked out. )

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....oh, and we have a program to feed the poor.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Right. Barry's ever exanding Food Stamp campaign. Can't allow THAT to be held in check , can we ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

M52NICKERSON

Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:48 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Think they shot their own cattle ?

I would not put that past them. Man could get that desperate knowing that sooner of later Uncle Sam is going to collect on that $1 million dollar debt.

Chrissy mentioned that the Feds admitted to shooting the animals, out of fear for their lives. Did ya miss that ?

( unconfirmed reports that there may have been a 2nd shooter are still being checked out. )

Quote:

....oh, and we have a program to feed the poor.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Right. Barry's ever exanding Food Stamp campaign. Can't allow THAT to be held in check , can we ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

You mean this quote?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
They shot his cattle? Really?
I thought they just shot two of his Bulls out of fear for their pansy asses (No, I don't like how they handled themselves, but mess with the man & his FEES and shit WILL happen).

That really proves it, right?

Oh, and the foodstamp program is not Obama's it has been in place for years. You failing at civics is nothing new.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

CHRISISALL

Saturday, April 26, 2014 10:16 AM

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That really proves it, right?

Little Ricky takes proof wherever he can manufacture it without any 'splainin' to do.

ELVISCHRIST

Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:06 AM

The feds goddamned well should shoot this asshole's cattle. They're trespassing and he's a freeloader.

OONJERAH

Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:20 PM

Out to the range land, they sent agents who don't speak "Moo" ?

Local Animal Control coulda handled it much better, I Am Sure.

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I've given up looking for the meaning of life. Now all I want is a cookie.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

The feds goddamned well should shoot this asshole's cattle. They're trespassing and he's a freeloader.

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