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Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
Yep.
Yep
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CHRISISALL:
I just noticed the Star Ship Enterprise in your logo. Yeah ! I Love that series also.
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Quote:The only TV series I love more than Firefly...
Originally posted by MIKER:
CHRISISALL:
I just noticed the Star Ship Enterprise in your logo. Yeah ! I Love that series also.
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I get it, and what is nice about it is their is enough to allow for a lot of viewing enjoyment. It is not like you could watch it all in a day.
Two bad SECOND isn't a fan. We would be seeing a lot of great art work and links.
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Originally posted by CHRISISALL:Quote:He was questioning Mal's view of himself in Badger & Co.'s presence.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Badgers assessment is also probably objective, though not for the reason Badger meant.
Yes, that's what I mean. Badger is pointing out the very fact that Mal is IN a den of thieves looking to do business, means that in Badger's view Mal isn't quite as honourable as he tries to assert. Certainly not better than Badger.
He's basically telling Mal he's a hypocrite and to get off his high horse.
But removed from that context, Badger's assessment is still pretty accurate.
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Yes you are on the money. However, Mal sees himself as not being as cut throat and unscrupulous as the others. That goes to the original question of what kind of man is he? Is he a cold blooded killer? Remember Badger was inspecting a girls teeth when Mal walked in, in that episode. She was to be sold. Then remember how Mal was with Saffron. That is how the discussion began. What kind of man IS Mal. Remember when Mal was being torchered in War Stories. His torcherer suggested to Mal there was no room in business for being honorable because Mal gave the medicine back. Mal's strength of character shows up over and over again. The way he looks after River. Badgers perception is just that, a perception. Badger has a need to lift himself up in his own eyed." Member of the Community ", is who he thinks he is. Mal's actions show him to be what Badger thinks he is not. Better than him. I suspect Badger knows this.
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What kind of man is Mal? There are new kinks in his personality from episode to episode.
Read Mal's dialog in Heart of Gold. Watch Nandi and Inara manipulate Mal into a war with Rance's gunmen. These women grab hold of Mal's honor and lead him around like he is a bull with a rope in his nose-ring.
INARA It sounds like the sort of thing this crew can handle. I can't guarantee they'll handle it particularly well, but --
NANDI If they got guns, and brains at all...
INARA They have guns.
NANDI (worried) Payment won't be a problem. We just ain't equipped for this.
INARA Nandi, it's gonna be all right.
INARA (cont'd) I suppose you heard most of that?
MAL Only 'cause I was eavesdropping. Your friend sounds like she's in a peck of trouble.
INARA She is. There's no authority on that moon she can turn to. They're totally alone.
MAL Some men might take advantage of that.
INARA One man.
MAL And she's lookin' for someone to come along and “explain” things to him?
INARA That's essentially it, yes.
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NANDI And you see the way we live here. Go into town, it's the same. Some places come up rustic 'cause they ain't got more'n the basics. Rance Burgess has money enough to build a city, a real community. He keeps people living like this so he can play cowboy, be the one with the best toys. Turned this moon into a gorram theme park. Someone stands up to him... He means to burn me out.
MAL He sounds like a fun guy. I'd like to meet him.
NANDI This won't be solved with talk.
MAL I'm gonna fight a man, it helps to size him up.
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INARA Well?
MAL Well what?
INARA You said you wanted to look him in the eye. You've done that. So what's the plan?
MAL Plan is -- we get back to Serenity and we get off this rock just as fast we can.
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NANDI Rance Burgess is just a man... And I won't let any man take what's mine. I doubt you'd do different, in my position.
Eyes still locked on each other, a stalemate of personal cool, until Mal shakes his head slightly.
MAL Well, lady I must say-- (admiring smile) You're my kinda stupid.
He turns to Zoe and the rest of his crew.
MAL (cont'd) Y'heard my points of contention with this thing. But I got a lifetime of good night's rest to consider, so I'm goin' back on that.
Dithering back and forth, Mal finally chooses the option with the highest body count. There is one option Mal never goes near until Nandi is dead. Petaline takes that option with Mal's help: kill Rance Burgess in cold blood, without all of Mal's heroics and honor. The sooner Rance dies, the lower the body count, but Mal wouldn't do it until too late for Nandi.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I remember all that and can see the exchanges in my head as I read your post. I have to say the first part is a bit of comic relief. Of course Mal is going to help Inara's friend Nandi. Mal is in love with and loyal to Inara, and yes she is capable of manipulating Mal.
Inara and Nandi are my kink of trouble!
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The sooner Rance dies, the lower the body count, but Mal wouldn't do it until too late for Nandi.
Mal isn't prescient either. Nandi's death isn't the result of him deciding that he wanted a good fight and a high body count. It was a result of Nandi's own decision to not take Mal up on his offer to transport all of them off world. Without help, Rance was going to continue bullying them and probably eventually kill them all because that's just the kinda guy he was, and so Mal couldn't in good conscience just leave them to that.
If you think Mal being involved led to more death than if he wasn't involved, then you have one seriously twisted perception of his character. Nandi won him over because he could relate to her situation. He knows what it's like to have to fight for your home and your family against the aggression of others.
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I think Nadia's choice to stay goes to SECEONDS point that she maneuvered Mal into the fight instead of flight. I am assuming Inara was not going to run out on her friend. There for Mal stays.
I also think BYTEMITE you are correct that Mals staying insured a much better future for those left on the planet. Rance had to go.
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