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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:31 AM

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Mal never gives much thought to working out a way to deal with anybody dangerous or unworthy of his trust.


One word:

River.

Your characterization analysis is flawed and inaccurate.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:38 AM

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Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
"If someone tries to kill you, you try and kill 'em right back."

Jayne isn't as scrupulous as Mal, Jayne shoots first in Our Mrs Reynolds and Serenity, the pilot episode. Waiting for the other guy to shoot at Jayne first is inefficient.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:42 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
"If someone tries to kill you, you try and kill 'em right back."

Jayne isn't as scrupulous as Mal, Jayne shoots first in Our Mrs Reynolds and Serenity, the pilot episode. Waiting for the other guy to shoot at Jayne first is inefficient.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:44 AM


"If someone tries to kill you, you try and kill 'em right back."


Jayne isn't as scrupulous as Mal, Jayne shoots first in Our Mrs Reynolds and Serenity, the pilot episode. Waiting for the other guy to shoot at Jayne first is inefficient.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Jayne is a horse of a different color. We all should be able to see the difference between Mal and Jayne. It is very apparent.

SORRY, I HAVEN'T YET MASTERED HOW TO QUOTE SOMEONE IN THIS CONTEXT.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 1:58 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Mal never gives much thought to working out a way to deal with anybody dangerous or unworthy of his trust.


One word:

River.

Your characterization analysis is flawed and inaccurate.

You are right. We can add to Mal's decision tree about who not to kill. There are a few humans that he gives full status as being people not to be killed on a whim. Jayne can thank his lucky stars that he made it into that group. River has saved Mal enough times, maybe, to also be in that special group. Probably puppies and little children, too.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:15 AM

OK next. SECOND, have you met any of the cast of Firefly, say at a convention that you have pictures of? I am thinking of hitting the Minneapolis Comic Com in early May. I have checked out the cost of getting a picture with them and it is very expensive.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 3:23 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:

Mal never gives much thought to working out a way to deal with anybody dangerous or unworthy of his trust.


One word:

River.

Your characterization analysis is flawed and inaccurate.

You are right. We can add to Mal's decision tree about who not to kill. There are a few humans that he gives full status as being people not to be killed on a whim. Jayne can thank his lucky stars that he made it into that group. River has saved Mal enough times, maybe, to also be in that special group. Probably puppies and little children, too.



Made it nothing. He didn't kill River when he first saw her despite her bringing a Fed and possibly the threat of the rest of the Alliance down on them. And she'd done nothing to help them at that point.

If it was really just about usefulness or threats or whether he personally knows the person for Mal, she and Simon would have been outright dead.

If it was just about whether he could trust people, Jayne would be dead.

The most we can say is that he only shoots people who are a danger to himself and others, and sometimes not even then. While it's a form of vigilantism, and different from what you might consider ethical or moral, it is not UNethical or A-moral.

Furthermore, he seems to have greatly exaggerated sense of what is NOT a risk, because he seems to allow risks no sane person would.

As such this idea that he kills on a whim is incorrect. There are numerous factors that go into that determination. The fact that we see him kill so often is a product of the episodic nature and genre of the series - it's not interesting for the viewer to watch him go weeks without a brawl or a shootout, so none of the episodes really ever focus on those other times.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 3:36 AM

Mal said it to Book in Serenity. " I had an out, ( referring to bringing River back onboard Serenity after the bar fight scene ). Book replied, it's not your way".

This to me shows he went so far as to protect some at great risk to himself. Remember why Tracey said he picked Mal and Zoe to involve in his scheme. They were saps.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:01 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Furthermore, he seems to have greatly exaggerated sense of what is NOT a risk, because he seems to allow risks no sane person would.


Good points. MIKERs' are too.

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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 5:03 AM

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Originally posted by CHRISISALL:
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Furthermore, he seems to have greatly exaggerated sense of what is NOT a risk, because he seems to allow risks no sane person would.


Good points. MIKERs' are too.



To BYTEMITE'S point, Mal offered to help Inara's friend in Heart of Gold without payment. He told Saffron he bested her because he had the help of others. Friends that due for others and are not always thinking of themselves. Mal was a good guy who was fighting to hold onto his humanity.

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