I wanna do this one more time: Was Mal wrong when he shot that surrendering guy in Serenity?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, June 6, 2014 05:29
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Quote:Wouldn't be the first time.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Jong, we must respectively agree to disagree here.
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Authoritarian judgements have no place where Authority fails to act within the confines of legality & moral legitimacy.
Who judges the authority? Anarchists? Bank robbers? Model makers?
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The Operatives' strike on Haven was illegal AND immoral,
That's one opinion.
Quote:Is that what you advocate? Vigilantism? Chaos? Anarchy? Mob rule? What if the mob turns on you and yours? Are you the baddest badass in the jungle? You'll need to be if it ever comes to that.
Law of the jungle, baby.
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Quote:If you have to ask then maybe you should do some serious thinking...
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Who judges the authority? Anarchists? Bank robbers? Model makers?
Quote:No man, not just mine- that's the opinion of the Operative himself- did you even SEE the film, bro?
That's one opinion.
Quote:What gets set into play must be played upon; I don't make the rules.
Is that what you advocate? Vigilantism? Chaos? Anarchy? Mob rule?
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What gets set into play must be played upon; I don't make the rules.
I see how it is for you. In case we happen to meet somewhere in the Zombie Apocalypse you better come at me heavy then.
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Silly silly British man.
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Originally posted by second:
We are not at tavern, drinking ourselves into a coma, so I call bullshit on "I would have done . . ."
Who, of us fans, would take a ride on Serenity with Mal? This is not hypothetical. Be truthful with yourself. Riding with Mal is like riding a class EF5 tornado into heaven. All of us would get off that boat at the first stop when we find out who the Captain really is. And sure as hell none of can be Mal. We could never make the decisions that Mal makes because we would not be there with him in those awful situations.
Mal would have a really hard decision to make if anybody had survived in Haven. Does Mal abandon survivors? Take them with him? Leave Doctor Tam behind to take care of them?
Oh I would, if the alternative was having to live in Alliance turf I'd throw in without a blink even knowing what a personal and professional disaster the guy is, because by my very nature I'd have been one of them "independants" to begin with and not ever let the grudge go myself.
Sometimes in life, all the choices you got are ugly, and so you tend to go with the one that lets you live with yourself - that said, I'd be gettin *paid* for my troubles or I'd be on my merry right quick.
Worth remembering my actual employment is prettymuch front line security for a podunk apartment complex right across the street from the worst cesspool in this county, right smack in that damn polar vortex and at a time when some other complexes got bought out and pitched all their section 8 residents out into the snow just as their unemployment ran out and SNAP benefits were cut - leaving me in the unenviable position of playing goalie against hungry, angry people who's primary 'crime' was poverty, knowing that my actions might condemn some of them to freeze and starve.
Try for a moment to wrap your mind around just how *MUCH* I hate the bastards of this world who set us at each others throats to fight over scraps while they live the high life off our labors, and then tell me I wouldn't get along pretty well with Malcom Reynolds.
As for yon potential survivors, toss whatever supplies we could spare out the door and get the hell GONE before our presence brings more trouble down on em, simple as that.
-F
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Yeah, you sound like one of dem inipenents all right.
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Quote:It is fun to pretend we're Mal and judge his actions as if we were him. It builds our ego and vanity. Except he is supernatural and we are not.
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Try for a moment to wrap your mind around just how *MUCH* I hate the bastards of this world who set us at each others throats to fight over scraps while they live the high life off our labors, and then tell me I wouldn't get along pretty well with Malcolm Reynolds.
Mal is bringing justice to the 'Verse one extralegal killing at a time. He is NOT some kind of volunteer/social worker/armed security guard helping the poor & desperate. He flies down from heaven like an angel of death, gets a drink in a bar, then slays the wicked.
Mal is very satisfying to watch from a distance, through the legend creating process of a TV show. But if he were real, when you know all he can do, Mal is terrifying. Ask Tracey, the old war buddy from "The Message". Mal was once so friendly to Tracey!
Tracey thought Mal's legend as a stone cold killer was just hyperbole. Mal showed Tracey. Tracey could have lived if only Mal had explained Book's plan, but Mal preferred killing, presuming that the world is better without Tracey. That kind of Mal from "The Message" would never let the Alliance surrender on Haven. He would kill them all out of divine justice. (Joss Whedon is an atheist who writes screenplays with ideas ripped from the Bible.)
Mal is a force of nature and TV. We are not. Our opinions, morals, or rules of war are wasted breath to him. We are probably being very amusing to Joss, for he is God, at least on his own shows.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I'll have what you're having!
Look, if you're gonna be all like that then we can't make clear judgements on ANYTHING fictional at all, or even reality that WE ourselves don't directly experience.
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Quote:You put that all into some perspective pretty nicely, 'cept the world today ain't as effed as Mals' Verse, I think. It's still Earth that is.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Not saying he's always hard. Not even saying he doesn't have his admirable qualities or his friendly side. Saying he's a mess. Sometimes with anger issues.
It's like, this kid you know was bright and cheerful and idealistic, and he signs up for the army and gets deployed in Iraq. When he comes back, turns out the family farm got taken by the banks, his parents died, and who even knows where his highschool sweetheart went.
He's got nothing, but somehow he scrapes together the money to buy a home and even gets some roommates and renters moved in who seem like nice people except for that one guy who seems like kind of a thug. He seems like he's doing okay, he can still crack a joke, even though he can also be grumpy and cynical and impatient and he doesn't really take to new people anymore and he's been stockpiling guns for some reason.
Then you find out that he and his roommates have started smuggling drugs from Canada and tequila and canned food from Mexico and sometimes they hold up banks and steal from gated communities and other zany schemes. They get into shoot outs a lot and whenever things go wrong, and it always does, they gets away by the skin of their teeth by him coming up with some randomly improvized plan. Despite all this, they're always poor, and they rarely can afford to eat better than ramen noodles most nights. His girlfriend is a nice lady, pretty classy, who's also a prostitute.
Taken altogether, is this someone who makes you think, wow, they've really got it together, they have control of their life and they know where it's going?
He's a mess. Yeah, he's got reasons he's like that, yeah he's still a likeable guy, but he's a mess.
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You put that all into some perspective pretty nicely, 'cept the world today ain't as effed as Mals' Verse, I think. It's still Earth that is.
Yeah. And to be fair, I'd like to know Mal and be accepted on his crew and to have been an independent. But objectively speaking, I'd be dead.
Hehe. I don't think second realizes who he's talking to.
omigosh this's gonna be FUN.
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