I wanna do this one more time: Was Mal wrong when he shot that surrendering guy in Serenity?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, June 6, 2014 05:29
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Of course he was wrong.
The side that steals, smuggles, murders, etc? Those are the bad guys. We love the Robin Hood tale, and we enjoy seeing authority get its nose tweaked by someone with a good chin and witty dialogue.
Murdering an unarmed soldier who was injured in the course of his duties is wrong. It may feel good -- I for one enjoyed the vengeance, the certainty of strong leadership, etc. It is absolutely understandable, and very pragmatic. But that doesn't make it right.
We love Mal and the crew, and we want them to win. But that doesn't make them the good guys, even if sometimes they do good things.
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An unarmed soldier injured in the act of massacring civilians under an UNLAWFUL order. His "DUTY" was to refuse to kill civilians that he'd took an oath to protect.
Screw that guy, that's no good soldier. Nuremberg established just following orders isn't a valid defense. He gets no sympathy points, not any more than a Nazi should for killing their own people in a gas chamber.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Hehe. I don't think second realizes who he's talking to.
omigosh this's gonna be FUN.
Second hasn't been in RWED as much, no...
BUT if there was a site that would allow points and wagering on a philosophical debates, my moneys on you Byte
Transmission error. Fixed now...
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He hasn't been in RWED as much, no...
If there was a site that would allow points and wagering on a philosophical debates, my moneys on you Byte
Uh, I was talking about Frem.
I don't always talk about me, you know. I know it seems like it, I know you all think I think everything's about me. But sometimes I'm making a metaphor or an analogy.
I wouldn't have shot the Alliance soldier myself.
But I'd have punched him.
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Quote:I am forced to agree with my esteemed colleague here.
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Nuremberg established just following orders isn't a valid defense.
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I'd have to say that Mal was carryin' a bullet for that guy for a long time before it found him. Guess he didn't know the trick about dying of old age first ;)
In all seriousness though, he was on an alliance ship that kill a preacher and civilians, including kids. He had it comin'.
BWAH!
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I have to say, when Mal kicked Crow off his ship & into the engine, just after he had a look of borderline disgust on his face, as if he surely hated doing that; when he shot the surrendering dude, there was no such look. He was sweeping away a speck of dirt. That was Mal almost consumed by the dark side.
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The Surrendering Soldier.
(It's not his fault; I can justify all that he did.)
Probably I'm less honorable than Mal.
Take him prisoner, but as a war criminal, he can expect no mercy.
Maybe Simon's got a truth drug handy. Maybe not. Get all the informa-
tion he has about this Alliance expedition. If he cooperates, execute
him mercifully, in spite of he's just shown himself a traitor.
It was a clear No Win for him. War is Hell.
... oooOO}{OOooo ...
The Shadow Knows ~Lamont Cranston
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Yes it was wrong. However you want to slice it Mal murdered the guy, he also murdered Crow.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Depends on whether you view individual moral judgement and vigilantism as valid ethical conduct, which I suspect you don't, and thus you probably believe that justice can really only be administered by a trial provided by a recognized government with legal jurisdiction.
Even if said government in this case would be corrupt as hell and almost certainly rule in favour of the civilian killing dickhead and against the misrepresented criminal cyber terrorists.
Crow was murder, though justifiable, the guy threatened them after trying to kill them. This after Mal offered the guy a way out without fighting.
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Many countries agree that it is lawful for a citizen to repel violence with violence to protect his or her own or another's life and limb, or to prevent sexual assault. However, there is less agreement on the extent to which it is justifiable to kill the attacker, as opposed to disarm or disable. The degree of response to the degree of threat may be tested. If the level of force used in defense matches the force threatened and the "winner" of the conflict first retreated or showed a clear intention not to fight (assuming this was possible in the time available), the killer may be exculpated.
The soldier... Is a bit more grey from my point of view. But I don't think Mal was wrong. Not practically and not ethically.
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