How truth is manufactured in the West
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UPDATED: Sunday, May 3, 2026 22:46
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Quote:Sorry. Those are well-documented facts, backed up by everything Bushco said.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Those aren't lies of the W administration, but red herrings and misinformation, by the Left.
Swing and miss.
You may ignore them, but there they are.
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Hey Sigs... :)
No worries. I read it all, and I misunderstood. You're golden. ;)
I'm glad you genuinely liked what I posted too. I genuinely meant that too :).
I think we might unfortunately be in for a pretty dark storm on the horizon. I hope I'm wrong. I'm not all paranoid conspiracy theorist like I used to be. That's the major perk for having so little "bills" that even a kid can do it. I'm virtually my own mom and I live in my own basemnent, except my basement is my dysfunctional house that will continue to kick my ass literally until I get off my ass and get a real job and make enough to turn this relic into a living-breathing-machine.
I don't love anything. Well... maybe that's not true. If I were to love anything, it would be a word. No strings attached. No $300 buyout if you're dissatisfied.
I've heard it wasn't a real word, I've heard it was a real word. I believe that before I was in HS it wasn't a word recognized by Webster......
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/copacetic?s=t
BOOM BITCHES!
It's a real word now, Per Webster!
For many of the poor tired souls that have lived long after "the thrill of livin' is gone", Copacetic is the best we can strive for.
Copacetic isn't bad at all.
Some call it life... others call it a waste of a life...... I just call it biding my time.
Seriously, you're going to want a "me" as a neighbor during the impending Zombie Apocalypse ;)
"Wha'dja wake me up for? I drank 17 beers last night and was having an awesome dream about Kate Upton and a hotub?"
i sure do hope this is hell Sigs. Nothing I've ever met was worth making it work outside of a few brothers.
i don't know if they'd take a knife or a bullet for me. i don't want to know the answer to it. i'd gladly take one for them, having been through that in the past for some girl who meant no more to me at the time than she does now as i can't even remember what her first name was.
To all of my blood-brothers, I am your shield, both literally and figuratively.
I have next to nothing, yet I want for nothing.
Anything excess I aquire should be used to help family.
i don't know how people i assume love me would think about me, but for any of those left that weren't completely oblibious, i'd like to think that this song would play in their heads when I was gone.
If it didn't, at least from time to time..... I have a very disproportionate view of the "real" me and this fantasy life
BTW... Heathens, the lyrics are "Roman Catholic Choirs Singing", and NOT "Roman Calvary Choirs Singing".
Although I make great pains not to offend our Pro-Equine population, I have to say that TRULY anybody who believed that Mr. Ed sung a bar should immediately be put in charge of peeling potatoes on this boat. :)
No offence to our Equine followers here, but Mr. Ed was the product of the advanced alien technology that pervaded the mid 1950's when
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Honestly, the 'baby incubator' story is pretty damn anecdotal. I mean, Iraq DID in fact use military force to invade Kuwait, and yes, there were war crimes a plenty committed.
Yeah. SignyM would rather you forget that Iraq did actually invade Kuwait.
BTW: Farther down in the Wiki article SignyM cited was this.
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Following the end of the war, Reuters reported that Iraq returned "98 truckloads of medical equipment stolen from Kuwait, including two of the baby incubators". Abdul Rahim al-Zeid, an assistant under-secretary at the Kuwaiti Public Health Ministry, said that by returning the incubators the Iraqis had unwittingly provided proof that they took them.[79] Kuwait's chief ambulance officer, Abdul Reda Abbas, stated that "We think the Iraqis might have returned the incubators by mistake."
So incubators apparently were stolen.
Might also note that the Wiki article about the Venezuela shootings contained this caveat.
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This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.
- The neutrality of this article is disputed. (March 2011)
- This section lends undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, or controversies. (July 2012)
- This article's factual accuracy is disputed. (February 2014)
- This article's introduction may be too long for the overall article length. (July 2013)
So not too trustworthy.
Then again, the article about Syrian chemical attacks is by ISTeams, which is pretty much a tool of the Syrian regime, which you'll see if you google it.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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GEEZER: Maybe you should look at the less unedited video before your start talking about truth? Not that you would ever dismiss factual information... you being such an objective observer and all. [/snark]
Meanwhile, another item for you whine about...
Syria: Three Years of Lies
Diplomatic Negotiations
In April 2011, a Human Rights Council Resolution (A/HRC/RES/S-16/1) requested “to dispatch a mission to the Syrian Arab Republic to investigate all alleged violations of international human rights law and to establish the facts and circumstances of such violations and of the crimes perpetrated”. Interestingly, this came to pass only ten days after it was revealed that the uprising had in fact been secretly backed by the United States all along. The initial stage of the uprising was punctuated by provocative acts that seemed deliberately designed to elicit a response from the Syrian government, which would in turn draw international condemnation, such as setting fire to the Palace of Justice in Deraa in March and the deployment of snipers to shoot at protesters; those snipers, incidentally, were later apprehended by the Syrian police and turned out to be Lebanese nationals. In fact, as early as March 2011, the Syrian security forces had confiscated a large shipment of weapons and explosives smuggled from Iraq.
By May 2011, most of the reports on Assad’s “brutal crackdown on the protesters” which tended to make the headlines were essentially copies coming from Associated Press and Reuters, distributed to mainstream media around the Western World – always with the caveat that the sources were unnamed activists, and that “[t]he accounts could not be independently confirmed” (see here, here). Indeed, in some cases footage shot in different countries was used and claimed to portray scenes from the Syrian uprising. This, however, was enough for US State Secretary Hillary Clinton to announce, at a press conference held in Rome, that there would be consequences for this brutal crackdown that had been imposed on the Syrian people, and that the U.S. was looking at boosting sanctions it had already imposed on Syrian leaders. Obediently, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said Italy would support similar measures by the European Union – one-sided measures which completely ignored the acts of infiltration, sabotage and terror that the Syrian institutions had been subjected to.
In August, when it became necessary to step up the familiar propaganda to stir further public outrage against the “brutal dictator”™ of the month, CNN promptly released this article about babies left to die in incubators due to a power cut deliberately ordered by the Syrian regime, supposedly corroborated by images circulated online and by a number of tweets, variously placing the horrific event either in late July or early August, and in such different places as Hama, Albukamal, Bokamal… It turned out to be a complete hoax: the picture was in fact found to be part of an article published on the Egyptian newspaper al-Badil al-Jadid, denouncing the “poor conditions in the maternity ward of the al-Shabti hospital in Alexandria” [source:Electronic Intifada]
On 22 August 2011 the UN Human Rights Council, citing Syria’s non-collaboration with its fact-finding mission, decided to form a Commission of Inquiry to dispatch to the territory as soon as possible (RES-S-17-1). However, before said commission could even be put together and begin working to establish who was really responsible for what, the Obama administration was already impatiently calling for the resignation of Bashar al Assad (video and video). Which made perfect sense, considering that a new Syrian leadership to replace the current one had already been put together in NATO-friendly Istanbul, gathering various elements from the exiled Syrian elite, eager to take over: the Syrian National Council, which announced its formation on 23 August 2011, was supposed to form the structure of the new Syrian government, according to Washington. Their mantra: no negotiations with the
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Strange, but for some reason I can't directly reply to SignyM, instead getting a "We apologize, but an unknown error was encountered.
If the problem persists, please email haken[at]fireflyfans.net" message, so I'll have to just copy and quote her comments,
Anyway...
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Meanwhile, another item for you whine about...
Syria: Three Years of Lies
Whine?
Just point out that it's an anonymous posting on a site that has no information as to who or what it is, but that publishes pretty much exclusively pro-Syrian-regime, and pro-Iran stuff. I know you consider this credible information. Me - not so much.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Yes, whine.
I noticed that rather than provide real reasons for questioning specific items, you attempt to dismiss the article out-of-hand by where it came from, not by what it says.
That may work for people like you who automatically give western news site more credibility than news from elsewhere, but all THAT does is blind you to the world outside your comfort zone.
I have a strange idea, Geezer, altho I know it's a little though to wrap your brain around: Instead of assessing whether something is true or false by "where" the information comes from, how about assessing it by testing it against the facts as can best be determined, or check to see if it is internally inconsistent? Be a news detective. I realize it means that you'll have to set your biases aside for a little while, but you'll be able to explain events that you couldn't see before.
FWIW- I think the database is getting too big for the software to handle. Perhaps it needs repacking.
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1989 -
Neither of the Bushes are any more culpable for the destruction of America than Obama is.
They were all equally culpable of it.
Part of me thinks that's the true reason that whether they serve the entire 8 years or our ousted after 4 they all seem to look 20 years older when they're done.
The night after the Inagural Party everything changes for him. They are then privy to bucketloads of human truth that maybe only 5000 people in the history of mankind knew about before him. Not only that, but they had to continue lying to all of the people he promised change to for the next 8 years.
In his position, with the knowledge he now has, all of his pre-presidential promises were total bullshit.
I'm not talking about Obama. I'm talking about Obama and anybody who is brave and/or stupid enough to take on that role. Republican or Democrat..... "Hey Everybody!!!!! Who wants to spend the next 4 to 8 years of their life as the captain of a sinking ship?????!!!!!!
You can look many decades in the past to find origins of the pain we're all suffering now. The sooner we stop fighting each other and actually get to the bottom of the truth together, the sooner we can evolve together as a Civilization.
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
I was well aware of what you presented, and I'm always surprised by how many people don't know about it all these years later. I remember a military guy talking about the wholsale slaughter of retreating Iraqi conscripts, and that he told his men to get those "baby killers."
Did he know it was all a lie? Probably.
Bush II lied us into our current quagmire, and people still act like there was some merit to it. Astounding.
We've still got people believing Obamacare "horror stories" than don't check out when they're investigated. We've still got people who know no history before Jan. 2008, and blame Obama for things that aren't his fault, or are completely made up (birthers, anyone?).
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noticed that rather than provide real reasons for questioning specific items, you attempt to dismiss the article out-of-hand by where it came from, not by what it says.
That's because it's pretty obvious that what it says is informed more by where it comes from than any interest in truth or impartiality. An article that makes such outrageous claims with no substantiation, that comes from an unknown source with no credibility, and obviously goes in with an agenda and fits suppositions to support that agenda, has no currency.
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That may work for people like you who automatically give western news site more credibility than news from elsewhere, but all THAT does is blind you to the world outside your comfort zone.
But your cites are very seldom "news". They're Wiki articles that either are ambiguous (incubators were apparently stolen and returned), or are highlighted for their bias and lack of balance (like the Venezuela coup one), or are pretty much blog posts from anonymous sources.
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I have a strange idea, Geezer, altho I know it's a little though to wrap your brain around: Instead of assessing whether something is true or false by "where" the information comes from, how about assessing it by testing it against the facts as can best be determined, or check to see if it is internally inconsistent? Be a news detective. I realize it means that you'll have to set your biases aside for a little while, but you'll be able to explain events that you couldn't see before.
It's not only where it comes from, but whether it is obviously propaganda.
Besides, you seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I believe everything the Western Media says. Of course I don't. But the fact that, for example, they were willing to publish a story about Iraqis stealing Kuwaiti incubators does not change the fact that Iraq invaded Kuwait.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Quote:Geezer, the more you say that something is "obviously" anything without any basis whatsoever, the more you're "obviously" doing what you're complaining about. You're obviously only interested in pushing a POV without any interest in truth or impartiality. In essence, propagandizing.
That's because it's pretty obvious that what it says is informed more by where it comes from than any interest in truth or impartiality. An article that makes such outrageous claims with no substantiation, that comes from an unknown source with no credibility, and obviously goes in with an agenda and fits suppositions to support that agenda, has no currency.
Quote:Except that I, and others, have provided links to on-the-ground videos. Marked the times on these videos for events of interest so that you could see and judge for yourself the events in context. Again, propagandizing.
But your cites are very seldom "news". They're Wiki articles that either are ambiguous (incubators were apparently stolen and returned), or are highlighted for their bias and lack of balance (like the Venezuela coup one), or are pretty much blog posts from anonymous sources.
Quote:Again, YOU are "obviously" propagandizing, because you keep repeating YOUR OPINION over and over with absolutely no backing whatsoever. If that isn't propaganda, what is?
It's not only where it comes from, but whether it is obviously propaganda.
Quote:You disbelieve anything that anybody else says, even if there is robust evidence in its favor.
Besides, you seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I believe everything the Western Media says.
Quote:Obviously, you do.
Of course I don't.
Quote:So, if it was so "obvious" that the Iraqi invasion required a response, why did the Kuwaitis have to stoop to engineering a fake story? Obviously, they felt they needed a little propaganda on their side.
But the fact that, for example, they were willing to publish a story about Iraqis stealing Kuwaiti incubators does not change the fact that Iraq invaded Kuwait.
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Geezer, the more you say that something is "obviously" anything without any basis whatsoever, the more you're "obviously" doing what you're complaining about. You're obviously only interested in pushing a POV without any interest in truth or impartiality. In essence, propagandizing.
And what point of view do you see me pushing? Have you seen much of anything from me that's pro-Syrian rebels or pro-the new government in Ukraine?
I'm just interested in your belief in what to me is (yes) obviously propaganda, and the fact that you try so hard to push it on everyone here. Even folks usually on your side in disagreements have called you on it.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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