How The Truth Is Made At Russia Today

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OONJERAH

Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:53 AM

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The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ~George Orwell

1KIKI

Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:16 AM

KPO

Do you have any recent conclusions about the reliability of the 'news' you access every day?

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

SIGNYM

Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:28 AM

BUT KPO... you haven't addressed the main point, which is the fact that our press has been "wrong" over and over... and over... for decades. Including misreporting events in Ukraine. How do you explain that? Muzzled press??? Really really stupid reporters??? Gosh, I dunno! You tell me!

Did you see the video in the other post? Have you made any attempt to acquaint yourself with something other than the western press?

Probably not. The truth can be a minor issue, coveniently ignored as long as the echo chamber continues to echo and echo what you're comfortable and familiar with.

"To argue with a man who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -- Thomas Paine, The American Crisis No. V (1776)

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The Falklands have never been settled or controlled by Argentina, except when they invaded in 1982. When Britain throws them out *they* are the outside invaders? It's a dubious comparison.

The Falklanders spoke English, and had a long historic connection with Britain. Let me ask you: What language do Crimeans speak? How long had Crimea been part of Russia? Why don't you go answer those questions before you tell me how dissimilar the situations were?

REAVERFAN

Friday, March 21, 2014 1:54 AM

Turns out Liz Wahl was coached by her neocon handlers at Faux.

KPO

Friday, March 21, 2014 2:09 AM

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BUT KPO... you haven't addressed the main point, which is the fact that our press has been "wrong" over and over... and over... for decades. Including misreporting events in Ukraine.

Well look, I'm challenging your assertion that the West has a completely government-censored media. To do this I could contest the evidence you've cited, OR I could argue that such a tight control of the media by all Western governments is highly unlikely, and impracticable - and thus there must be another explanation for what you're seeing in the evidence. I've chosen the second approach, since arguing the evidence case by case would be very in depth and attritional (which is not to say I couldn't). I simply don't see motive or mechanism, for the kind of tight inter-government control of the media that you assert you can see in the evidence. That's where conspiracy theories usually fall down for me - motive, mechanism.

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Did you see the video in the other post? Have you made any attempt to acquaint yourself with something other than the western press?

No, and yes, you know that I have. Think back to earlier in the thread.

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The Falklanders spoke English, and had a long historic connection with Britain. Let me ask you: What language do Crimeans speak? How long had Crimea been part of Russia? Why don't you go answer those questions before you tell me how dissimilar the situations were?

I'm aware of the similarities. I'm pointing out the dissimilarities, and arguing that they are critical.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Friday, March 21, 2014 2:15 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
KPO

Do you have any recent conclusions about the reliability of the 'news' you access every day?

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

How recent? Crimea recent?

It's not personal. It's just war.

1KIKI

Friday, March 21, 2014 10:30 AM

"I'm challenging your assertion that the West has a completely government-censored media."

I'm certainly not claiming it's government-censored media. It IS government and business compliant. It takes press releases and pr statements and official pronouncements - some would call that propaganda - and uncritically regurgitates it as 'news' without even slowing down to see if it contradicts any earlier statements from the same sources. It trims and fluffs and massages the world story into a narrative that's comfortable and useful and profitable. But at times, yes, the government actively controls the news and leaves a news hole behind. And so a vital fact, which you know to be true, is strangely missing from any media and cannot be found, no matter how hard you look.

"How recent? Crimea recent?"

I was thinking more since the start of this discussion.

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

SIGNYM

Friday, March 21, 2014 10:45 AM

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Well look, I'm challenging your assertion that the West has a completely government-censored media.

I never said "completely government censored". As I recall, both I and KIKI pointed out a whole host of factors that could collectively account for the near-perfect record of press failure

1) laziness and/or cost-cutting: getting nearly all news from a government handouts, or from each other;
2) massaging the news as a profit-center: providing pre-digested pablum to the masses, avoiding creating cognitive dissonance in the audience, catering to the brainwashed
3) brainwashed reporters
4) direct editorial control by the parent corporation, such as happens with FOX news, or as happened with Bill Maher
5) government prosecution of sources and
6) interference by security agencies in the normal operations of news media.

The point continues to be that the western press has failed - in an objective sense- to provide informative coverage of important events. Not only failed to provide information, but has consistently and massively passed on DISinformation. I could name about 25 important events from the past few decades where they totally misdirected their readers/listeners. I can name NONE where the MSM has brought useful information to its readers/ listeners. I mean, how does anyone explain that??? That's more than just chance working!

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Did you see the video in the other post? Have you made any attempt to acquaint yourself with something other than the western press? -SIGNY

No, and yes, you know that I have. Think back to earlier in the thread. -KPO

Second item first: Yes, when challenged, you scanned a few sites. You also misread what was posted. Not a good effort.

As far as the video is concerned, WATCH IT.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57662
You can skip past the man(woman)-on-the-street interviews, but you need to look specifically at

1:00-4:30
9:45-12:00
19:00-21:00
23:25-27:40 (interviews of people dragged off buses and beaten)

Pay close attention to who is aggressing.

Now, I'll tell you something else, and the reason why I'm so pissed off at your complacency, your yawning, bored view - and everyone else's, to be honest. Hubby went thru the 1956 Hungarian uprising as a young child. Protests were initially started by well-meaning students, but a pro-Western/ anti-Russian faction decided to give the process more juice by releasing "political" prisoners... mostly Nazis (nothing "neo" about them, they were dyed-in-the-wool WWII Nazis). These Nazis were brutal people who believed in treating "traitors" by the death of a thousand cuts- literally. Hubby remembers seeing a woman hanging upside down from a lamppost covered in blood. He knew she was still alive because she blinked as he walked past.

"Nazism" isn't just a distant word for Russians and for many older people in Eastern Europe, it is something they know and fear. And the security departments in the new Ukraine government are all occupied by either Svoboda Party members or Right Sector Party members, both of which aspire to their fascist past.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57662

I'm not going to discuss this further unless you've watched the video, because otherwise you're just farting out of your mouth.

KPO

Sunday, March 23, 2014 4:31 AM

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As far as the video is concerned, WATCH IT.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57662

Weak propaganda. Very easy to see through. Nothing tremendously shocking - mostly just people talking. A telling absence of any figures/statistics. E.g. how many riot police were killed, compared to protesters? I could go on.

I'm not really sure what I was supposed to be shocked by. We have to assume that this was the most inflammatory footage that the Kremlin could get its hands on, to paint the protesters in a violent, Nazi light - and it's what? People being forced to get off buses, and lie on the ground, and sing the Ukrainian national anthem, and pick up shards of glass. Oh the horrors.

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:19 AM

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Weak propaganda.

You would have preferred "strong propaganda"? Yanno, if there has been something more punchy, you would have said it was strong propaganda. No matter what was shown, you would have just dismissed it as propaganda anyway, right?

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- and it's what? People being forced to get off buses, and lie on the ground, and sing the Ukrainian national anthem, and pick up shards of glass. Oh the horrors.

And beaten, don't forget that. Yanno, KPO, I wonder how you would have reacted if that had been western sympathizers dragged off buses and beaten by Russian thugs. I'm sure you would have been all over yourself about the horrors of it all!

In any case, I directed you past the interviews because they don't provide a verifiable picture.

What I wanted you to see was the protests. No, they're not the "most shocking" videos (there is worse), but it does show the rioters in a different light than in the western press. There were peaceful innocent protesters, but there were also a phalanxes of trained street thugs, neo-Nazis, which the USA and Brussels were all too happy to provide political cover for, pay, and recognize. Again, not in the western press.

So back to the original question: How is is that the western press has so throughly misrepresented everything of importance for the past 40 years or more?

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