How The Truth Is Made At Russia Today

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SIGNYM

Monday, March 17, 2014 10:29 PM

KPO- The most similar referendum that I can think of - which was covered VERY differently- was the Falkland Islands sovereignty referendum, 2013.

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A referendum on political status was held in the Falkland Islands on 10–11 March 2013. The Falkland Islanders were asked whether or not they supported the continuation of their status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom in view of Argentina's call for negotiations on the islands' sovereignty.

On a turnout of 92%, an overwhelming 99.8% voted to remain a British territory, with only three votes against.Had the islanders rejected the continuation of their current status, a second referendum on possible alternatives would have been held. Brad Smith, the leader of the international observer group, announced that the referendum was free and fair and executed in accordance with international standards and international laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum,_
2013

Judging by your responses so far, I'll bet you were all for that one.

1KIKI

Monday, March 17, 2014 10:44 PM

KPO

Actually, I do have a question. Have you never accidentally stumbled into a news hole? -where you KNOW there's a vital piece of information and you just don't see it in the news, where it should be- and wondered?

Or do you assume that if something isn't there - take present day Fukushima as an example - that it must not be important?

I think if you can ask the question 'where did Fukushima go?', and answer it to your satisfaction, you will understand the nature of the 'news' you see.

OONJERAH
We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Anyway, I have to go for now. I understand other countries have their public news agencies, unlike the US. But even there is a strong drive to cut costs. Am I right? And a strong dependence on official sources. And growing competition from commercial journalism. And many of the same cultural constraints.

We've got publically funded stations which are the only news worth watching here.

ABC - best reporting and news about, I still watch little of it. The station produces programs which showcase investigative journalism and will go into a topic in more detail.

ABC is constantly accused of left winged bias by right winged pundits who basically cannot tolerate other POV's than their own. The ABC actually has rather strict reporting guidelines than prevent only one view being heard. I wont say they are without bias, but they do have policies and guidelines that prevent it from being totally biased.

It's late, I can't articulate.

SBS

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:04 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The first is that there is very little investigative reporting. "The news" consists almost entirely of press releases by government functionaries at various levels of authority, and repeats from various other media.

Oh if you only knew...

It's even worse than that, cause most of them go completely cheap on it and instead of even the most cursory investigation, just copy/paste press releases and call it a day, something which, sorta-kinda-thankfully, recent events and pranksterism has shown without a single ounce of doubt.

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-more-b.s.-news-stories-that-foole
d-whole-damn-internet/

www.cracked.com/article_17318_7-clearly-fake-news-stories-that-fooled-
mainstream-media.html

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-more-b.s.-news-stories-that-foole
d-your-facebook-friends/

http://www.cracked.com/article_19789_5-clearly-fake-news-stories-that-
fooled-media.html

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/6-clearly-fake-news-stories-that-fo
oled-media-part-16/
(Part SIXTEEN, mind you, SIXTEEN, IN A ROW!!)

There's a journalism Teacher down at U of M around here who bitchslaps his students with this, EVERY GODDAMN YEAR, by deliberately introducing the most pathetically fuckin RIDICULOUS stories only to have them picked up and amplified by the propaganda echo-chamber that is the lame and sadass excuse for journalism here in the USA, as an example of just how corrupted and co-opted the so called mainstream media is...
(And mind you care to GUESS the worst offender ? I'll save you the trouble - Faux "News", 100% of the time!)

Strange days indeed when fucking PRAVDA (originally a BLATANT propaganda outlet) has better goddamn journalism than anything we have here.

-Frem

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:49 AM

Well KPO, you have those links yet?

Yanno, the funny thing is, I'm just trying to cut thru the hoopla and bullshit, and some people just seemed determined to wallow in it.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:37 PM

FREM-OMG I SAW some of those stories in the so-called mainstream press! I had a WTF? reaction and just kinda slid past them because they didn't make any sense, but they were at presumably reliable websites like cnn!

KPO

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:54 AM

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Just grabbing the top hits from my search engine

Similar to what I did, with similar articles to the ones you posted. You've highlighted some vaguely Russia-sympathetic lines, but they're nothing that couldn't be found in Western media. I've read many similar statements on the BBC over the past weeks.

The most interesting link was the Pakistan article, which I enjoyed. Of the countries I sampled I sensed the greatest anti-NATO vibes from Pakistan, but then I realised that was to be expected. Also, that was an opinion piece. And, it wasn't *that* Russia-sympathetic, the author's admiration for Putin aside. Again, one could find opinion pieces like that in Western media (I've read at least 2 of them).

You make some interesting points about the weakness/laziness/manipulability of the press in the West. But imo not enough to add up to a complete muzzling of the press, which is what you've implied. If it were just a handful of major Western outlets neglecting to show a sensational + newsworthy video, I could buy it. But all of them? In every single country? You need a grand, over-reaching inter-governmental conspiracy theory for that.

RE: The Falklands - A country offering a secession referendum to one of its own islands is not the same as an outside force invading, and then doing it.

I'm sorry for my delay in responding, but I'm quite time constrained at the moment, so I'm not going to go into this discussion too deep.

It's not personal. It's just war.

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:41 AM

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But imo not enough to add up to a complete muzzling of the press, which is what you've implied.

It's not what I've implied, it's what I've OBSERVED. The United States press in particular has been wrong on every single important foreign policy issue that I can think of, for decades.

HOW do I know the press was "wrong"? Because everything they "said" they backed and everything they predicted... failed. Retreating from Vietnam did not lead to dominoes. Deposing Noriega did not stop drug running. Invading Irag did not find WMD. I can point to event after event that were entirely misrepresented by the press. Or you're going to have to demonstrate that the press was actually right on all of those events. Good luck with that.

Maybe you don't find my explanations convincing. That's fine, but you're going to have to find explanations of your own to rationalize the press "errors" of the past several decades!

Oh, as far as the Falklands are concerned, I guess you've forgotten Maggie Thatcher's favorite little war? Which is SO different from Putin!

ELVISCHRIST

Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:08 PM

"Behind the coverage of Wahl’s dramatic protest, a cadre of neoconservatives was celebrating a public relations coup. Desperate to revive the Cold War, head off further cuts to the defense budget and restore the legitimacy they lost in the ruins of Iraq, the tightknit group of neoconservative writers and stewards had opened up a new PR front through Wahl’s resignation. And they succeeded with no shortage of help from an ossified media establishment struggling to maintain credibility in an increasingly anarchic online news environment. With isolated skeptics branded as useful idiots for Putin, the scene has been kept clean of neoconservative fingerprints, obscuring their interest in Wahl’s resignation and the broader push to deepen tensions with Russia.
Through interviews with six current RT employees—all Americans with no particular affection for Russian President Vladimir Putin or his policies—and an investigation into the political forces managing the spectacle, a story has emerged that stands in stark contrast to the one advanced by Wahl, her supporters and the mainstream American press.

It is the story, according to former colleagues, of an apolitical, deeply disgruntled employee seeking an exit strategy from a job where, sources say, she was disciplined for unprofessional behavior and had been demoted. Wahl did not return several voice and text messages sent to her cellphone.

At the center of the intrigue is a young neoconservative writer and activist who helped craft Wahl’s strategy and exploit her resignation to propel the agenda of a powerful pro-war lobby in Washington.

The story began at 5:07 p.m. on March 5."

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/how_cold_war-hungry_neocons_stage_
managed_liz_wahls_resignation_20140319

Seems it's not only RT that's versed in how "The Truth Is Made" - the neocons (Geezer included) seem to be every bit as interested in making up their own version of "The Truth"

KPO

Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:51 AM

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Oh, as far as the Falklands are concerned, I guess you've forgotten Maggie Thatcher's favorite little war? Which is SO different from Putin!

The Falklands have never been settled or controlled by Argentina, except when they invaded in 1982. When Britain throws them out *they* are the outside invaders? It's a dubious comparison.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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