What Will It Take for Us to Get Back to Being a Decent Society?

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SIGNYM

Thursday, January 9, 2014 11:52 AM

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So while I acknowledge that those years were ones of significant change in society and there were many political activists who worked hard to bring about important changes, I find the self congratulatory attitudes of people of that era somewhat galling. I might add that I am a babyboomer/gen x cusp era - depending on the dates used.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Whether you're galled or whether your self-congratulatory, being steamrolled by TPTB and climate shift and overpopulation is in your future too. You're gonna have so much fun with it. (she said sourly)

1KIKI

Thursday, January 9, 2014 12:36 PM

Oh yeah Byte - as I re-read some things - one last comment:

"... We can totally still fight but we like to talk about how we're OLD even though we're NOT .."

Really? You know how old I am? How tired? How much in pain?

I have never been one to say 'I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy' b/c that would be a lie. But I'll say this to you - I hope you end up feeling EXACTLY the way I feel. I hope some asshole comes up tp you and tells you you're lying about it. I really do.

Have a really not nice life.

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, January 9, 2014 4:23 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You have no idea what it took to invent the transistor. Or write Unix. And that was before my generation. I recognize important developments of the past. I'm not the one claiming that I'm smarter than those "old folks". In fact, it seems with each generation we've been getting stupider and stupider, and I consider myself part of that trend.

Why would you assume I have no idea about those things, or the effort it took. I don't understand the tone of your post.

I don't think we're stupider or smarter than previous or future? generations. Each generation has its activists, and its dreamers and its shallow ones and its destructive ones. And its kind of the thing that we do is to lament that the younger generation are shallow, pleasure seeking, out of control, dangerous et al. Because that is kind of the difference between youth and 'not youth' - I wont consider myself aged.

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:31 PM

The reply was to BYTE, who seems to think that her generation is the apex of everything.

It is a common fallacy that people today are smarter than before. They're not. As we specialize more and more, our fields of knowledge get narrower and narrower. The older generation had to know about mechanics, and basic household chemistry, farming, electricity. Now, its impossible to fix your car w/o a computer. Or your washing machine. Technology has been taken so far out of the realm of the average person that they have become stupefied about it and ineffective in their daily lives. It is a point of control: Fall into line, or your cars and toys are at risk. Also, I think there is something insidious about mass media... people are living virtual lives now... becoming separated from reality and substituting convenient, effort-free, trivial activities for real world effectiveness.

Up until the introduction of television, this wasn't a problem. But like Marshal McLuhan said, the medium IS the message. We're now swamped with adverts 24/7, awash in a sea of messages that tell us that consumption is everything and work is nothing.

Just to get back to BYTE for a moment- she may be very active. For all I know, she's come kind of mastermind... something that NOBODY would want to brag about online. But looking at the effect that generations have had... after the women's movement and the environmental movement.... nothing. Maybe Occupy will turn into a real movement; they DID point up that there is a class divide and that idea has entered into the vernacular and hasn't gone away. But if things are going to change... and we DO want them to change, right?... there has to be some action besides this nascent bubbling up of consciousness, and I haven't seen it yet.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:48 PM

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it doesn't mean they have way more powerful technology than you and the power of law and the corporations behind them?

More powerful laws and technology doesn't mean jack shit if they use it in foolish ways. The basic plan of the intelligence agencies is to establish gigantic databases via corporate cooperation and have computers sift through heaploads of utterly useless information.

I'm not impressed because that's nothing to be impressed about.

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Really? You know how old I am? How tired? How much in pain?

You're the one who said you're still fighting at your age. Therefore you're talking about being so old yet you can totally still fight. You have a problem with me saying what you're saying?

Then you started about how it's only you guys who are doing anything and the younger generation needs to get on the ball. That is NOT the same as saying "we need to work together." I took offense because of how both you and Sig presented your opinion. Hell yes I'm self-righteous. I'm even judgmental. And I'm hardly one to talk about using guilt and shaming tactics. But you both were shooting yourselves in the foot.

I won't outlive you, and I have various joint conditions and health problems. My life doesn't matter, so it also doesn't matter if I'm in pain or alive or tired or not.

I appreciate your wishing ill-fortune and curses upon me though. It's thoughtful, kinder than any compliment any of you could have given me. It means that you understand.

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Yanno, without saying anything about your generation YOU'RE A SELF-RIGHTEOUS ASSHOLE.
And a liar.

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Not only are you an asshole, you're entitled and dumb too.

Considering that's what I've been saying all along, it's nice someone finally conceded that.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:03 PM

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I'm not the one claiming that I'm smarter than those "old folks".

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The reply was to BYTE, who seems to think that her generation is the apex of everything.

That is actually not what I was saying. At all.

Also clearly, this conversation is no longer useful to anyone.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, January 10, 2014 2:25 AM

It's a different game, different tactics, is what it is.
I've pointed out often enough that standard issue, conventional protest is a waste, and a detriment, I dun need to do so again.
We are attacking the Utah facility via utility-denial, not to mention shitloads of ringers in the Contract Labor, and beyond that they'll NEVER find all the backdoors we're slipping in.

As for being observed and monitored, has no one ever given even half a thought to the deliberate disinformation, or the offhand comment I made some time ago that the "old guard" of back when accurate intelligence was actually valued have deliberately chosen to turn a blind eye to anything I ever say or do ?

Fact: They're doomed, they just don't know it yet.

-Frem

KANEMAN

Friday, January 10, 2014 3:53 AM

That video may be the most......ah, forget it.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, January 10, 2014 4:21 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The reply was to BYTE, who seems to think that her generation is the apex of everything.

I've read through Byte's posts on this thread, and that doesn't appear at all to be what she is saying. In fact she says that is not what she is trying to say. I see that she got defensive about some comments you and Ikiki have made about her generation. I see that both of you have made comments about the achievements of your generation.

I am not sure why this had to get so hostile???

MAL4PREZ

Friday, January 10, 2014 4:54 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I am not sure why this had to get so hostile???

Yeah, that's my feeling. Hostility from other encounters came out here, I'm guessing.

All generations suck. All generations have good stuff. Older folk have a longer record so they're easy to blame, younger people don't have as much experience so they're easy to blame.

As for the energy thing, I think my declining energy is pretty much a mental thing. I just don't care to try as hard now as I did when I was younger. I have less to prove and care less what other folk think of me.

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