"Strategists to GOP: Restrain yourselves on debt ceiling"

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NIKI2

Saturday, January 4, 2014 10:47 PM

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GOP strategists are urging restraint in the upcoming debt-ceiling fight.

Congress must vote to raise the $17 trillion debt ceiling sometime in February or March. In the past, Republicans have looked to extract major concessions, such as dollar-for-dollar spending cuts.

The strategy bore fruit in 2011 when President Obama, with an eye toward securing reelection, signed the Budget Control Act, which included $2 trillion in cuts.

But now the president is refusing to negotiate on the debt ceiling and the GOP is still feeling the reverberations from a 16-day government shutdown in October that wreaked havoc on the party’s public approval while reaping almost nothing in exchange.

A GOP decision on the debt ceiling is likely to come out of the annual House retreat scheduled for Jan. 29 in Maryland. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has told Congress he expects the government could be in danger of missing payments by early March, giving lawmakers a narrow window to find another borrowing boost.

“The only way you lose the House is if Dems intercept a Hail Mary pass on the debt ceiling,” another GOP strategist said. “If you lose the House, you open the door to everything.”

At the same time, GOP tacticians acknowledge that the party cannot look weak in the debt ceiling fight and simply grant the president the “clean” hike he wants. Furthermore, the timing of the fight means members facing conservative primary challenges will face a tough dilemma.

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said in December that the party would not accept “nothing” for the debt ceiling and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he could not imagine a clean increase.

Tea Party and outside conservative groups said this week they are still formulating their approach. Feisty outside groups have helped pull congressional Republicans to the right in several past battles, but they came under intraparty criticism — most notably from Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) — for pushing the GOP into the ill-fated shutdown fight over ObamaCare.

With the debt limit looming as the next battleground, conservative forces are still looking for a policy win, but are not drawing any lines in the sand.

“Conservatives have the expectation that the debt ceiling is an important tool to reduce the size and scope of the government,” said Dan Holler, spokesman for Heritage Action, the political arm of the Heritage Foundation. “That’s what conservatives are going to be looking for…

Even so, Holler acknowledged that no clear overall strategy has crystallized around the debt limit yet.

Some conservatives, however, are sounding as combative as ever. Tea Party conservative Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) made light of the warnings coming from those who are urging the party to wait until after the election before fighting on the debt again.

“It’s the same ones that you always hear….cower in the corner and wait,” he said. “If Republicans want to win, we need to show what we stand for.”

Huelskamp said he wants to push for a limitation that no new debt would be used to fund ObamaCare.

But that kind of talk discomfits many strategists. “I want it to be whatever is bothering swing voters the most, their core complaint,” the long-time strategist said. “It has to be something that is not extreme."

Mark McKinnon of Hill and Knowlton Strategies said the “equation is pretty clear. When Republicans screw with the debt ceiling and threaten a government shutdown, their unfavorable ratings go up. "

“Most Republicans see that the shutdown was a mistake, and that there is more pragmatism in dealing with the debt ceiling,” said strategist Ron Bonjean.

Meanwhile, a financial sector long weary of the debt-limit wars is a bit more optimistic that this latest battle will not serve as another threat to the global financial system.

One senior financial services executive said recent comments from Republican leaders playing down the potential for another government shutdown have helped ease fears on Wall Street.

McConnell has flatly ruled out a seco

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 4, 2014 10:55 PM

Because this country isn't big enough for sound, fiscally responsible ideas. Nope. Just keep adding that gigantic economic anchor to our kids, grandkids, greatgrandkids...

$ 9 trillion in debt use to be 'unpatriotic'. But 17 trillion? Best just go w/ the flow, and don't make any trouble.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

M52NICKERSON

Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:15 PM

Well Niki if the GOP tries to shut down the government again or cause a default they are going to get the blame. Hopefully there are enough sane Republicans to counter act the teatards.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Well Niki if the GOP tries to shut down the government again or cause a default they are going to get the blame. Hopefully there are enough sane Republicans to counter act the teatards.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

So, curbing spending, which is all the GOP want to do, is so completely out of the question, you'll side with anything Obama and the Dems want, right ?

Only because Obama and the Dems are doing it.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:21 PM

Go, Republicans, go! Fight to the death over the debt limit! Rant and yell! Shut down the government AGAIN! IN an ELECTION YEAR!

(Oh, by the way, have a glass of this nice grape flavored Kool-Aid.)

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:22 PM

If 9 trillion = unpatriotic

Then 17 trillion = treason ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

M52NICKERSON

Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Go, Republicans, go! Fight to the death over the debt limit! Rant and yell! Shut down the government AGAIN! IN an ELECTION YEAR!

(Oh, by the way, have a glass of this nice grape flavored Kool-Aid.)

I really doubt they will. Enough Republicans understand that they lose ground when they fight like this. I'm sure some will make noise, like Ted Cruz, ultimately he and others will be overruled.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

NIKI2

Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:34 AM

ALMOST unfortunately, Nick, you may be right. Part of me feels like NewOld; I'd would love for them to make more crises--crisis after crisis right up to November. But UNLIKE the Republicans, I don't want to see anyone gain politically at the expense of the country, so the other part of me hopes saner heads prevail.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

But UNLIKE the Republicans, I don't want to see anyone gain politically at the expense of the country, so the other part of me hopes saner heads prevail.

But in fact, you do. Hence why you posted the thread in the 1st place.

Help me out here, if 9 trillion is a 'crisis' and unpatriotic ,as Obama said back in '08, how isn't 17 trillion worse ?

Was he wrong ? If so, please say that and let's start a " reasonable " conversation.

IS there a limit to which our debt shoudln't exceed ?

And let's be real on this matter. Raising the debt limit ACTUALLY IS ALLOWING US TO RAISE OUR DEBT. It's never NOT happened, so why quibble over semantics ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

1KIKI

Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:42 AM

As evidence of "rape mentality"

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is
whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:47 AM

If you don't give a shit , as you claim, why bother replying ?

I asked a legitimate question. I understand that it may make some uncomfortable, having to deal with ...

wait for it...

REALITY !!

But what if some of the adults here WOULD like to have a discussion?

Can't you just run out and play in the street or something, if such matters are above your understanding ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

1KIKI

Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:06 AM

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:14 AM

Evidence of 1kiki being a LIAR.

If she truly didn't care, as she claims, she'd not reply. She replies.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

1KIKI

Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:15 AM

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Sunday, January 5, 2014 3:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Go, Republicans, go! Fight to the death over the debt limit! Rant and yell! Shut down the government AGAIN! IN an ELECTION YEAR!

(Oh, by the way, have a glass of this nice grape flavored Kool-Aid.)

I really doubt they will. Enough Republicans understand that they lose ground when they fight like this. I'm sure some will make noise, like Ted Cruz, ultimately he and others will be overruled.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

OH, I don't think they're DUMB enough to keep causing trouble in an election year. They'd dump ANY principle to get re-elected; they'd throw their grandmothers under a bus-- that's what those GOP strategists are advocating. I just wish they would.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 5, 2014 6:17 AM

So,just to be clear... 9 trillion in debt bad, 17 trillion in debt... GOOD ?

Who is being 'dumb' here ? Looks as if sound fiscal policy is now unpatriotic .

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Sunday, January 5, 2014 6:29 AM

Does anybody besides me hear the voice of a troll echo... echo... echoing up from under a bridge, ever repeating itself, but getting fainter and fainter, as real people ignore it? Maybe it'll just fade away soon...

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 5, 2014 6:52 AM

haha... you can ignore me as you ignore the facts.

I get that, I really do.

But neither me nor the facts will cease to exist because you wish.

Not gonna happen

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

1KIKI

Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:06 AM

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

MAL4PREZ

Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:09 AM

Yep, the troll echo keeps repeating the same tired old easily refuted bait. Too easy to refute, which is why he keeps dangling it. He is BEGGING.

Just keep up with the ignoring and watch how desperate he'll get.

As to the real topic of the thread: the worm has definitely turned as far as these budget issues are concerned. It's like if I went out and spent a gazillion bucks on designer clothes and fancy hairdos, then my man told me he wanted to buy a new roof for the house and I said: Hell no that'll just put us too far in debt, and we're already so close to the line! How dare you suggest such a wasteful thing!

That about aligns with the bagger argument on this. Please, just let them keep trying to push it. November 2014 could get real interesting.

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MAL4PREZ: Clearly [The Rap]'s doing nothing but trolling now.
STORYMARK: And not even cleverly.
RAPPY: [My trolling] did its job, did it not? Easiest marks in the 'verse.
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AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:12 AM

Shovel ready jobs are indeed like wasteful spending. We all agree.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

1KIKI

Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:19 AM

RUSH LIMBAUGH is a BLUE PILL ADDICT!

As evidence of "rape mentality"
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11 PM
MAL4PREZ
And just remember, according to Rappy, the term befitting a women who wants the insurance she pays for to cover medications affecting her reproductive organs is whore

Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:23 PM
little rappy
The term applies

MAL4PREZ

Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:46 AM

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MAL4PREZ: Clearly [The Rap]'s doing nothing but trolling now.
STORYMARK: And not even cleverly.
RAPPY: [My trolling] did its job, did it not? Easiest marks in the 'verse.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57146
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M52NICKERSON

Sunday, January 5, 2014 9:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
OH, I don't think they're DUMB enough to keep causing trouble in an election year. They'd dump ANY principle to get re-elected; they'd throw their grandmothers under a bus-- that's what those GOP strategists are advocating. I just wish they would.

That is kinda the rub isn't it. If the saner members of the GOP overrule the Teatards it does not make the Tea Party look that bad. Were as if they did cause massive problems by refusing to let the treasury pay for spending they (congress) already approved it would weaken them even more.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

NIKI2

Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:32 PM

Yup Nick, that's exactly the rub. Were it any other year, they'd no doubt behave true to form, but since wrecking the country is OKAY with them TO GAIN POWER, the fact that it's a "power-gaining" year means they'll probably behave...or at least enough of them will behave on stuff like this that, with enough Democratic votes, a crisis can be averted. Maybe "just" averted, so they can look like they stuck to their principles. Or something...who knows how their fevered brains work?

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:48 PM

Silly me. There WERE no shovel ready jobs, at all. That Stimulus $ went the likes of Solyndra, which ended tango uniform.

My mistake.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
But UNLIKE the Republicans, I don't want to see anyone gain politically at the expense of the country, so the other part of me hopes saner heads prevail.

Saner heads... those being the ones to irresponsibly plunge us further into the rabbit hole we find ourselves in.

Only a hard-core Liberal Douchebag could rationalize spending more money with interest attached to pay off promises we never intended to pay back in the first place.

Did you even go to High School Niki? And if so, did they even teach basic math?

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, January 19, 2023 1:05 AM

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y-biden-econ-advisor-on-debt-ceiling-debate-in-congress-160137285716

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, April 11, 2023 3:38 PM

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The U.S. dollar began to displace the pound sterling as international reserve currency from the 1920s since it emerged from the First World War relatively unscathed and since the United States was a significant recipient of wartime gold inflows. After the U.S. emerged as an even stronger superpower during the Second World War, the Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944 established the post-war international monetary system, with the U.S. dollar ascending to become the world's primary reserve currency for international trade, and the only post-war currency linked to gold at $35 per troy ounce

https://www.thebalance.com/bretton-woods-system-and-1944-agreement-330
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search/swe/1993/swe9304b.pdf

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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

$ 9 trillion in debt use to be 'unpatriotic'. But 17 trillion? Best just go w/ the flow, and don't make any trouble.

How the U.S. national debt reached $31.4 trillion
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-the-u-s-national-debt-reached-31
-4-trillion

SECOND

Wednesday, May 31, 2023 7:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

$ 9 trillion in debt use to be 'unpatriotic'. But 17 trillion? Best just go w/ the flow, and don't make any trouble.

How the U.S. national debt reached $31.4 trillion
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-the-u-s-national-debt-reached-31
-4-trillion

There would NOT be a debt if the taxes owed were actually paid: IRS chief says $1 trillion in taxes goes uncollected every year

The U.S. government is losing some $1 trillion in unpaid taxes every year and needs more and consistent Internal Revenue Service funding to go after tax cheats, IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig said on Tuesday. Multiply a trillion times the last 43 years since Ronald Reagan stopped forcing the rich to pay all their taxes and the product is larger than today's national debt.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-treasury-irs/irs-chief-says-1-t
rillion-in-taxes-goes-uncollected-every-year-idUSKBN2C0255

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly