Why Halloween is depressing
POSTED BY: MAL4PREZ
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 9, 2025 06:32
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You're complaining about your OWN PEOPLE making THEIR OWN CHOICES.
It's like Islamists in Turkey complaining about American music and dance and fashion because the youth in that country are BUYING the stuff. Yeah, I guess we're really forcing our culture on them huh?
If you want to talk about America forcing it's culture on the rest of the world, there are LOTS of examples you can talk about that I would even AGREE with you on. My objection is that you're using Australians importing Halloween as your go-to for resentment. Really? REALLY?
Okay. Then explain how people choosing to participate and buy the stuff is forcing. What, because you think they're dumb and don't know any better than to choose American culture? Because Australia is inundated with American programming that they're CHOOSING TO WATCH and SUPPORTING with their viewing habits? What is your reasoning?
In short, you're entitled to your opinion, you can hate Halloween. Resentment doesn't have to justifiable.
But you didn't explain ANYTHING, just made an unsupported claim that you argued and elaborated on only by belligerent repetition, you completely dodged addressing the logical issues I have with your argument by ignoring them or dismissing them as bitchy. Then you strawmanned me by saying that oh I just don't understand how awful it is how America forces it's culture on people. Because I've totally been for that in the past with all the WARS and SPYING overreach and TORTURE and diplomatic hypocrisy and racial profiling and corporate world domination and war on terror arm twisting bullshit, haven't I?
So no. Either put up your actual logic, or agree to disagree, but I'm not going to accept one iota more of your ad hominems, presumptions, appeals to guilt, and fallacious distractions in this conversation. If you're going to call me an imperialist swine, I demand better rational.
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Fuck you. Byte.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Fuck you. Byte.
Wow.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
Resident USA Freedom Fundie
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Maybe, just maybe, you oughta learn a little tolerance for the opinions of others... yeah sure, I'm one to talk, but seriously, being called on your own BS is not really something you should use as an excuse for hostility, but rather a self-examination of WHY it bothers you oh so very much.
Yeah, I know, fuck me too...
You're welcome.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Fuck you. Byte.
The choice is made. Conversation is done.
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Maybe, just maybe, you oughta learn a little tolerance for the opinions of others...
(Not sure which one you're talking to)
(Not really a tolerant person)
(Doesn't matter, conversation reached it's useful lifespan)
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Originally posted by G:
2. Her countrymen are proving to be just as weak and susceptible to million dollar marketing as ours has been.
Ding ding ding ding ding!
Yep. I hate how commercial this shit is, but to blame America for the orange and black aisle of the grocery store is ridiculous. Point the finger at those who deserve it: *stupid people*. There are stupid people everywhere, even in Australia. Stupid people buy into the commercialization, even though the original holiday is *NOT* American. Day of the Dead, right? Mexico, baby. And maybe it picked up that annoying commercialization BS in the US, but the fact that it's taken over Europe and even the Aussies makes it pretty clear: it's a failing of human beings, not of Americans.
And still there are things that are fun about it. Wearing a costume is fun, whether its a bastardization of a Mexican holiday or out of fandom to a sci-fi show. So what the hell, Magons, are you gonna hate on people dressing up like Firefly characters because its an invasion of American evilness?
Sorry babe. I have always thought you 100% cool about everything, but in this thread you crash and burn. There are plenty of things to hate on America about. To go after this one is lame.
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Magons, I hear your frustration...I'm sorry you let it stoop you to that level, but I do understand.
I don't think you'll find many Americans who do, unfortunately. It's a huge and difficult stretch to imagine another culture overtaking our own, and yes, partly BECAUSE we've overtaken so much of the world. I understand it on a different level; like when we were in Europe, in this gorgeous old city, and I rounded a corner and came face to face with a McDonalds. My stomach dropped.
Obviously I haven't experienced the Halloween thing you have, so I can only extrapolate from what I have experienced. It definitely saddens me to see the impact my country is making on the world, but it's truly not about individual Americans, we're people, nothing more. It's about the marketers, and they did it to us long before they reached out to do it to the rest of the world. I wish so much that the others here could understand, not that we could do anything about it.
In fairness I have to say that what you described of the kids is the other side of it. Everywhere I have lived, kids trick-or-treating isn't as big as it was when I was a kid, and of course I never had kids so never saw that side of it. But mostly, for me, it's commercialism every where I look, a bit of trick or treating by children, some news stories (like the woman who ate a candy bar her daughter brought home, to find it had been laced with LSD), and the next morning, all the aisles are filled with Thanksgiving things to buy--some even Xmas.
We got home from our trip Thursday afternoon and I went to the market, only to find it absolutely inundated with people buying candy. You couldn't find candy corn to save your life, literally, I looked, but there were tons of bags of the most popular stuff, and people were stocking up. It saddened me.
So when I read your description of how excited and happy the kids were, it reminded me that that's what Halloween USED to be, as I saw it, until about thirty years ago or so. And the places that still exists, to me, are a GOOD thing...in this world, happy kids is something to be celebrated, whatever the cause.
So I'm of two minds on it. I see the good, and I see the bad that it's become. Just my two cents' worth.
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With all due respect...
If you've got something to say Oonj, come on out and say it. Speaking in riddles and foggy generalities does no service to you or to those you are hoping to reach. It just makes you seem foggy and generally inapplicable.
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