Season 4 opinions?
POSTED BY: RhymePhile
UPDATED: Saturday, June 25, 2005 17:25
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I wish Charisma hadn't gotten pregnant though. Then we could have avoided the weird sex scene with Cordy and Conner. That was just disturbing.
To be honest, I wouldn't have cared so much about C/C if they hadn't shown the sex scene. Quite frankly it was unnecessary - all Angel needed to see was them kissing. This and the Angel/Cordy scene in Awakening were 'turn away now' moments.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I was never afraid of Jasmine at all though. Maybe when she went nuts after her little glammer was broken but before that she seemed about as powerful as Amy turning herself into a rat in Buffy. It had been well established that love spells were pretty easy to cast in Buffy. That's all Jasmine ever seemed to pull off just on a wide scale. The big bad could have been Xander at that point. And it all just seemed like a matter of time before the group found some little trick to finish everything.
That's a problem with the Buffyverse as a whole - they make it a little too easy to affect massive changes. I watched Superstar today - if Jonathon can make everyone believe he's a superstar, why can't every other guy?
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Originally posted by Zeek:
The beast was scary to me. He always seemed to be one step ahead of the gang. The fight scene before the rain of fire was probably my favorite from all of the Buffyverse. Angel's team really threw everything they had at him and the beast took them out. If only Joss had the beast kill one of our beloved heroes off could that have been any better. It would have left the team down and out...with their backs to the wall. Those are the times when everyone really shines.
I hated that fight scene. People getting thrown about on wires does not (necessarily) a good fight scene make. And the introduction of guns was a big disappointment.
Rhymephile: Lorne is pretty much always in character because they rarely do anything to advance him. Which was fair enough for his guest appearances but really he should have had more to do for S4/5. I'm bitter, oh yes ;) Wes is the opposite - he's been developed every single year, and heavily so. There are probably one or two things I'd say are out of character for him (kissing Fred in S4 for one, and the use of guns) but largely they get him, and his dialogue, right. I just wish I hadn't seen all those Wes/Lilah scenes... ;)
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While this is quite random at this point...did anyone else think The First made a cameo in Angel Season 4 as Lilah? When wes is cutting off dead lilah's head and all? Just curious.
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Originally posted by Grounded:
...*snip* Wes is the opposite - he's been developed every single year, and heavily so. There are probably one or two things I'd say are out of character for him (kissing Fred in S4 for one, and the use of guns) but largely they get him, and his dialogue, right. I just wish I hadn't seen all those Wes/Lilah scenes... ;)
I agree with you about Lorne, because it seemed the writers could never find a niche for him. In a way, he's kinda like Kaylee of the group. Wouldn't hurt a fly, happy-go-lucky, friends with everyone. But Kaylee is integral to the ship, whereas Lorne...comments on things and talks to contacts we never see.
As for Wes, we know he always had a thing for Fred, but I wish he would have kissed her earlier. I did like Gunn and Fred together though, oddly enough. They had great chemistry. Wes kissing her in "Spin the Bottle" was a little out of left field, but in that same scene we hear Wes' reason about the guns. Gunn is the muscle, Wes is the brains, and when Gunn grabs Wes' arm, he says something to the effect of: "Not all of us can rely on muscle."
I think, also, as you said with Wes' character progression that him getting the heavy firepower is in-character. Why are using propulsion weapons any different than using a battle axe if it will still kill the demon? Wes is using his head here, and using technology to push the odds a little more in his favor. Hell, even Buffy used the bazooka in that ep with the Big Blue Baddie that Spike, Dru, and Angelus conjured back in, um, I don't recall the season. Two? Three? What would have happened if she simply shot all the supernatural critters instead of laboring in a drag-out fight every time? Well, not as cool, maybe, but Wes is dealing the way he knows how.
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Originally posted by RhymePhile:
Why are using propulsion weapons any different than using a battle axe if it will still kill the demon? Wes is using his head here, and using technology to push the odds a little more in his favor. Hell, even Buffy used the bazooka in that ep with the Big Blue Baddie that Spike, Dru, and Angelus conjured back in, um, I don't recall the season. Two? Three? What would have happened if she simply shot all the supernatural critters instead of laboring in a drag-out fight every time? Well, not as cool, maybe, but Wes is dealing the way he knows how.
It's more a matter of prinicipal than character for me. They should never have introduced guns into the hands of the 'good guys' of the Buffyverse - they'd managed up until now without doing it, why start? It ended up producing a load of poor Matrix-ripoff scenes.
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Originally posted by Grounded:
It ended up producing a load of poor Matrix-ripoff scenes.
We'll agree to disagree about that scene. I think it was one of their most effective battle sequences in a long time. The martial arts were well-done, the wire tricks were cool (Angel/Mark Massa doing a back flip, and him flying into the pillar), and Alexis Denisof only blinks once when he's firing both the handguns and the shotgun. It looks cool as hell. That in itself makes it rank up there among the best scenes in the Buffyverse.
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Quite honestly, it almost felt like parody to me. When Wesley empties the two pistols and then pulls out the shotgun from his jacket I was like - eh?? I don't want to labour the point, because you obviously enjoyed the scene, but it just seemed wrong to me.
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Originally posted by Grounded:
Quite honestly, it almost felt like parody to me. When Wesley empties the two pistols and then pulls out the shotgun from his jacket I was like - eh?? I don't want to labour the point, because you obviously enjoyed the scene, but it just seemed wrong to me.
really? i loved that. thought it was way cool. the slow down-speed up filming made it look really flashy on screen. of course, i am looking at it from a visual image standpoint and not concerning the characters. still, it was the scene that sealed wesley as my favorite character.
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When did you start watching? All you need to see is the end of Five By Five to seal Wesley as favourite ;)
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Originally posted by Grounded:
When did you start watching? All you need to see is the end of Five By Five to seal Wesley as favourite ;)
i started watching about midway through season 3 and i am up to the first quarter of season 5 right now. wesley is the best.
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Hmmm...
Just jumping in here, been reading some of this thread (it's very long!) and some theories you all have about S4 are pretty enlightening, as I found a lot of it to be confusing as heck.
I've got much love for this season. Jasmine was a cool concept but a little bit 'talky' and that got old sometimes. Cordy was one of the worst Big Bads ever and she and Conner getting it on was weird and wrong. I also found it to be a tad melodramatic at times (Salvage is one I can remember in particular...the scene where Wes gets Faith out of prison). But for all it's imperfectness it was cool and big and arc-y and stylish.
But hey now...has this been asked before? What's with the maggots and rotting Jasmine flesh? Is it because she's really old? LOL I don't get it!!
And if Angel had to actually look at Jasmine (Fred too!) to see her 'true' face, then why did the rest of them only need their blood to be mixed with Cordy's to figure out what she was? As far as I know, Gunn, Wes, and Lorne never got to see Jasmine, so how did they just know?
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