Bush's America asks: Why us?
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 5, 2004 12:49
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Well, if you can't stop the other %50 from running the asylum...
http://www.cic.gc.ca/
Leave that mushroom cloud in the rearview mirror !
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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Hmmm... worth looking into! Et je parle Francais.
But I'm much better in English!
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Don't get me wrong, I care... but this whole thing is starting to feel like a giant snowball rolling down hill. And even a a Bush-lovin' (and I'm not suggesting anyone is) apple pie-eatin' American would have to agree with what GINOBIFFARONI had to say - if we were all about supporting democracy in Iraq, the election process would have candidates who actually represented public opinion in Iraq, not just candidates who represented American ideas.
For example, let's say the Iraqi favorite was politically similar to Haussein (forgive my horrible spelling). Do you honestly think Bush and his regime would allow that kind of man elected in Iraq even though he represented what the people of that state wanted? So is that democracy?
America is real good at the cowboyin' in and blowing crap up and overthrowing leaders, but we're lousy at sticking around to rebuild. It's the nature of our political system. Any kind of policy has the potential to be overturned come the next election. What needs to be done in Iraq is something like what Britan did with India - not the bad crap, but the ability to stick around long enough and occupy while the disenting population dies out. Take over the education system and teach them "Western ways" or whatever. But we can't. And I'm against that indoctrination crap anyway. People need to decide for themselves. I digress.
I'd just once like to see a candidate who was a little more like me - no doubletalk, no claiming to have all the answers... we don't allow our politicians and especially our president to be a human being. And that's a problem too. This whole thing makes my head hurt.
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"I for one am glad to have a leader of my country stand for what IS right, and has the cahones to stand up to tyrants of the world."
Not to rag on anybody but what is right? Is there a universal, right? I thought not killing people is right but apparently it's only right if those people hold the same belief's as you. Who decides what's right? The United States? the President? the church? Our parents?
There is no black and white, especially when dealing with different cultures. This is really something that the President should figure out (which is probably why he has such a bad foreign policy). He has no right to force his beliefs of religion or democracy on other cultures, what's right for us may not be what's right for them. I'll get to Saddam in a moment.
"The war in Iraq is simply put, the right thing to do. The media says that the Iraqi people dont want us there, I hear different from service men. I for one would choose freedom over oppression. And they would too."
I've had two close friends/family members over there and results are mixed. There are Iraqies shooting at us for being there, that's not media contrived. Again, seeing in black and white gets us nowhere.
Yes, I would chose freedom, but I also know how to handle it. They only know what they had, and perhaps that's why they don't want us there. It's still not certain if a Democracy will work over there.
"If people like you ran my country, Saddam Hussein would still be in charge and still committing genocide on thousands of iraqis."
Two comments-
One, how many other nations have leaders just as bad or worse than Saddam that nobody knows about or even cares? I know there are some in Africa, but we're not there, are we? This war wasn't about Saddam being a Tyrant over his people, it wasn't about the Genocide. Apparently it was about weapons of mass destruction, which by the way, we didn't find.
Two, I don't know whether or not this war was right or wrong. In the end Saddam is out of office, but at the stake of how many service men and women's lives? Bush has taken are National Guard over there- by the way National Guard is supposed to Guard our nation...here! To do what? People rag on Kerry for changing his mind about the war but how many excuses did Bush give us for going there? He was digging for one that the citizens would buy- point of fact- he wanted to go to war on Iraq, he had plans on war before
9-11, he didn't care if the UN supported it, he didn't care if the US citizens supported it. And if gets another 4 years he will go to war elsewhere and he will install the draft.
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Originally posted by dacute1:
Not to rag on anybody but what is right? Is there a universal, right?
If you don't understand right from wrong we are on the wrong subject.
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...how many other nations have leaders just as bad or worse than Saddam that nobody knows about or even cares? I know there are some in Africa, but we're not there, are we?
We were not attacked by Africans. They do not have WMDs. Bill Clinton thought Iraq had WMD, John Kerry thought Iraq had the weapons. He even voted for the war (then he speaks against it, flipflop.)
I still believe they were there. Saddom had weeks to ship them anywhere he wanted to. This is a war on terror. Not a war to occupy Iraq. Anyway, Bush will get re-elected and we will get to hear Bush-bashers for another 4 years, yippe :)
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I'm so glad to see people who says the things I mull over, but say it so much better than I ever could. And then say the things I never even thought of !
Way back when I posted a comment that Bush support comes from fear, hate or greed. Boy did that make me a target. I have to add Christian jihad to that list, though I think it might be a subcategory of hate.
I've been considering about the Canada thing. Is it easy to get in? If I had to endure 4 more years of Bush, I think I'd go bonkers.
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Jim, you took your position in two words: "I believe".
Well, I DON'T believe. I insist on evidence.
Let me aks you a question: Were you surprised, shocked, angered by 9-11?
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"If you don't understand right from wrong we are on the wrong subject."
No really, what is right from wrong? Lots of people have different beliefs. Mine tend to be respect toward others, openness to other cultures and beliefs. I'm not saying that Saddam was right but I'm not going to bow down to Bush praising him for his moral superiority either. Saddam may have hurt his people but lets look at some of the environmental policies that Bush has put in place, clean air act? Is it more right to protect people than it is animals? What about the people oversees that don't believe in the same God or the same form of Government?
"We were not attacked by Africans. They do not have WMDs. Bill Clinton thought Iraq had WMD, John Kerry thought Iraq had the weapons. He even voted for the war (then he speaks against it, flipflop.)"
Thought!!!! Clinton didn't rush into a war because he "thought" they had weapons of mass destruction. And I thought the reason we were in there was because we needed to get the tyrant out of power? Now it's WMD? You are sounding like Bush.
"This is a war on terror. Not a war to occupy Iraq."
You're confusing me, first is was because of what Saddam was doing to his people. Then it was because they had weapons of mass destruction. Now it's a war on terror?
A war on terror? Is that why he had plans to go into war within days of taking office? I could be wrong but didn't he call the war on terror on after 9-11? Something just doesn't fit here. Besides Al Quida and Iraq don't get along, there is no connection. Saddam wasn't about to go messing with the United States. We weren't defending anything but Bush's ego.
"Anyway, Bush will get re-elected and we will get to hear Bush-bashers for another 4 years, yippe :)"
Can you do me a favor and enlist in the armed forces then, 'cause I really don't want my family memebers to die because Bush started another war. Thanks.
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I have resisted the urge to join in any political discussions here, but. . .
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Originally posted by JimNightshade:
We were not attacked by Africans.
We weren't attacked by Iraq, either. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.
"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."
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"We weren't attacked by Iraq, either. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis."
Shoot, I forgot that one. Thanks for the help.
Kaylee: Wash, tell me I'm pretty
Wash: Were I unwed I would take you in a manly fashion
Kaylee: 'Cause I'm pretty?
Wash: 'Cause you're pretty
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