Bush's America asks: Why us?
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 5, 2004 12:49
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Your countrys actions are not only affecting your country, but the entire world in general.
It is not better we stand against you with words rather than by force of arms, mind you if things keep going the way they are, the latter could happen.
Your President went looking for allies, and found opposition, your forces attacked anyway... Now your government keeps saying they want the help of the international community, dispite the fact that you are trying to establish client puppet states in both Afganistan and Iraq.
Your President once stated " Either your with us, ... " well, we aren't, and by trying to offer information your media is not putting out there, we hope you won't be either
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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that's why I always win these arguements.
Just because you think what you say is truth, doesn't mean you "win arguments". Think what you will, and say what you must. I for one am glad to have a leader of my country stand for what IS right, and has the cahones to stand up to tyrants of the world. America is hated, yes. Do I care? No. The war in Iraq is simply put, the right thing to do. The media says that the Iraqi people dont want us there, I hear different from service men. I for one would choose freedom over oppression. And they would too. The furture generations of Iraq will thank America for what happend now. If people like you ran my country, Saddam Hussein would still be in charge and still committing genocide on thousands of iraqis. Or, rather would that suit you just fine?
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^^^ How are things in Texas? 
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Sunny and warm with a refreshing breeze blowing across the lake. =)
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Jim- Same as you, I don't look for a majority opinion to tell me whether I'm right or wrong. When peole appeal to a majority, I think (but almost never say out loud) "Yeah, and a billion flies eat sh*t".
But just because we deposed Saddam's regime doesn't mean we've put anything better in place. At the very beginning of the Iraq war I thought about natural Iraqi constituencies for a united, secular democracy. Envision that concept as clarly as possible, and then place it against the Iraqi population.
The Sunnis? Why would they want a demoncracy at all? They were top dog, and revenge is such a bitch especially if you're a minority.
Besides, they have no physical control of oil reserves.
The Shiites? As a majority they would fare well in a democracy, and might even have plans to get back some of their own, and they have the southern oil fileds, but have no interest in secularism.
The Kurds? Having run their own territory under the no-fly zone for so many years, why would they want to join up with their hated enemies (Arabs) and give up control of their oil resources?
The only people to gain from the scenario would be Iraqi women- but they are pretty much as brainwashed as the men, and in any case would never be allowed a strong political presence.
Nope- A united, secular democratic Iraq just ain't gonna happen. It's a convenience for finding "someone" to SIGN THOSE CONTRACTS which will then be enforced by international law and international banks. BTW- The CPA has already sold off most of Iraq's previously nationalized industries -including vital services- at fire sale prices. The only thing they HAVEN'T touched is the oil. But even then they siphoned off oil revenues into unaccounted contracts with US companies.
Most likely Iraq is going to end up like Yugoslavia- facing civil war and eventual breakup, while the US hangs like a leech in their neck.
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As a fat, lazy American, I just wanted to say I'm disgusted with anyone who holds the opinion Bush is right. Oh, and that line about how we're the greatest form of government... I'd laugh if it weren't so sad. I'm finishing up college here and getting the hump outta dodge. It's a sinking ship run by corporate madmen.
Why is it this way?
In my opinion, the short answer is that our "greatest form of government" cripples itself. There are two factions that co-exist in the same govermental seat and neither one allows the other to get anything done... which sometimes I'm in favor of, but not when I'm right. Oh, and you can't even think of running a campaign unless you have tons of money which means you have to cowtow to corporate special interests so really the government exists to keep big business rich and in business.
So, summing up... Bush sucks 
, America's going down hill, and the corporate system's behind the wheel. It's enough to make a man sing... "Oh, Canada..."
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The USA is a fascist state.
Ah, so sad but true. I'm waiting for our monkey-lookalike of a president to bring it all out into the open with "Facism creates jobs, and that's good for America!" Also waiting for the 2004 election to be suspended in the interest of "Homeland Security."
HOMELAND - there you go, JimNightshade, the last time the world heard "Homeland" uttered so often, it came out the mouth of Adolph Hitler. The comparison is both apt and unavoidable.
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Yeah, I wondered at the choice of "Homeland".
But then, what were the options when trying to build a dictatorship? "Fatherland"? TOO GERMANIC! "Motherland"? TOO RUSSIAN! "National" Too overused and not emotive enough. "Federal"? Oh, THAT would get the Southerners going, wouldn't it? "Apple-pie-land"?
So after all, what could be more cozy and comforting than... home. How nice.
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One correction.... if you agree
What is US is calling a effort to establish democracy isn't really such,
They want people to vote for a selection of handpicked canidates.... ones who will follow their lead.
If you enjoy popular support, have a chance at winning, and don't really want an American presence in Iraq... you get railroaded like Moktada al-Sadr.
Calling this democracy would be wrong, it is more of a fallacy.
If 911 happened again next year, will anyone outside the US care. If they want to do the " right " thing for themselves, screw them, let them stand alone in the shit storm of their own creation.
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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Yeah, but I LIVE HERE!!!
I care!!
I know that 30% 'muricans are downright crazy, conversing with invisible friends and all that, and another 20% are downright mean and just wanna kick some butt... BUT what about the OTHER 50%??? What about ME???
(ducks while rotten tomatoes come flying over my head)
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