The Saudi-al Qaida puppet-masters (not PN)
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UPDATED: Wednesday, November 19, 2025 23:46
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There is an overlooked factor promoting terrorist jihadism. JAYNEZTOWN has posted this twice:
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Russia and Iran Warn Against Intervention in Syria
http://world.time.com/2013/08/27/russia-and-iran-warn-against-interven
tion-in-syria/
The Failed Saudi-Russian Talks: Desperate Diplomacy as Syria Implodes
You could call it the Hail Mary pass of diplomatic relations. In a desperate attempt to find some solution to the ongoing Syria crisis, now in its third year with no end in sight, Saudi Arabia’s intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan reportedly offered Russian President Vladimir Putin a multibillion-dollar arms deal to curb Moscow’s support for the Syrian regime of President Bashar Assad when they met in Moscow last week. The deal was rebuffed; on Friday the Kremlin responded to news accounts about the proposal with a terse rebuttal, telling Reuters that no deal had been discussed in detail. Earlier news accounts, including the one from Reuters, quoted unnamed Arab and Western diplomats describing a deal in which Saudi Arabia would buy some $15 billion worth of Russian weapons in addition to offering assurances that Gulf countries wouldn’t threaten Russia’s dominance of the European gas market in exchange for a commitment that Moscow would not block future U.N. Security Council resolutions on Syria. The threat of a Russian veto has been the major obstacle to any U.N. actions in Syria.
http://world.time.com/2013/08/09/the-failed-saudi-russian-talks-desper
ate-diplomacy-as-syria-implodes
In looking for threats that Bandar may have made against various governments, I cam across this"
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Newser) – The Saudi royal family threatened to withhold information about planned terrorist attacks on London unless British authorities suspended an investigation into corrupt arms deals, court documents show. Prince Bandar flew to London in December 2006 to warn investigators they faced "another 7/7," referring to the four bombs that killed 52 people in 2005, reports the Guardian.
The threats—Bandar warned of the loss of "British lives on British streets"—led PM Tony Blair to close an investigation into allegation of bribery surrounding more than $2 billion in secret payments from the arms company BAE to the Saudis. Anti-corruption campaigners filed a legal action yesterday to reopen the investigation, asserting that the British government had been blackmailed.
So, in addition to funding madrasses all over northern and easter Africa and the mideast and in the various 'stans, and flying arms into Libya and Syria, bound for al Qaida, the Saudis have threatened Russia and the British government?
I think if we looked behind the scenes, we'd find a lot of US-Saudi complicity in the Al Qaida threat (al Qaida being such a useful boogeyman).
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So many against this
It smells of BS
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
So many against this
It smells of BS
It really does. :(
And if the middle one is either "Rand Paul suspects chemical attacks were launched by..." insert "America" or "Israel" then well played.
Although no idea why either us or Israel wouldn't have engineered shenanigans before now if they really wanted in the war that badly. But the list of possible suspects and people who have motive is very long, and the information we have isn't narrowing anything down.
All I know is that I don't trust anything the media is saying about any of this. Something is seriously setting off my lie and paranoia detectors.
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Rand Paul Warns Obama of Starting “Major War” With Russia - Senator says rebels more likely to be behind chemical weapons attack. http://www.prisonplanet.com/rand-paul-warns-obama-of-starting-major-wa
r-with-russia.html 
In Firefly the Alliance merged the US flag with the flag of Communist China
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A few more thoughts ...
I used to think that Al Qaida was something of an accidental creation, caused by a combination of an excess of Saudi money, wahabbism, and the desire of the Saudi royal family (itself a creation of the west) to send their more troublesome children abroad.
But seeing Bandar bin Sultan threatening to turn terrorism on - or promising to keep it off - and reading about the arms shipments that Saudi Arabia is deeply, deeply involved in made me realize that Al Qaida is oh-so-much-more than a dingleberry on the ass of a benighted backwards kingdom: it's part and parcel of Saudi foreign policy and territorial expansion.
9-11.
Many things about that whole event bother me: the fact that the air traffic contol tower interview tapes were all destroyed within hours of being made. That our fighter jets were scrambled.... over the Atlantic Ocean. That Bush & Co had ample, repeated intelligence briefings that pointed to a significant upcoming terrorist event, and the Secret Service had already protected the President (in previous meetings and summits) from airplanes that might be flown into hotels etc by housing the President in an offshore yacht where possible.
And that the response to 9-11 was always a little bit askew: rather than targeting Al Qaida specifically, we veered away from anything Saudi and instead invaded an incidental nation with its own homegrown tinpot - but very localized - power structure (the Taliban) and then invaded an entirely uninvolved nation which - just coincidentally - happened to have been the stated target of PNAC during the Clinton years (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Bolton, Armitage, Abrams, Feith, and Wurmser had appealed to Clinton unsuccessfully to invade Iraq, and nearly all of them had positions of one sort or another in the Bush administration.)
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC20Ak07.html
The links between Israel and the Bush administration were easy to see. The links between the Bush administration and the Saudis... other than their connection over oil... not so much. So I used to think that 9-11 was a LIHOP (let it happen on purpose, very much like the original Pearl Harbor). I know that the Bush family has close ties to the Saudi royal family. The second thing that the Bush administration did after 9-11 was to violate their own grounding order and spirit away members of the Saudi royal family in the hours after the Twin Towers fell.
But seeing how Saudi Arabia claims to be able to use Al Qaida for strategic purposes, and that most of the terrorists involved in 9-11 were, in fact, Saudi, I'm beginning to think that maybe there was a little bit more proactive involvement... or at least foreknowledge... by the Bush administration in 9-11. Because as horrible as 9-11 was, it could have been so much worse. Since the terrorists could have destroyed NYC (but didn't) the overall effect, like Pearl Harbor, was not to destroy and demoralize Americans but ultimately to galvanize us to war- a rather well-calibrated event.
Cheney's year 2000 Energy Task Force, the one that the public wasn't invited to. I always thought it was some sort of long-term "carve up the world's petroleum reserves" kind of meeting. We NOW find out one of the task force's missions (accomplished) was to exempt all fracking from every Federal regulation. They knew about the gas reserves well (so to speak!) enough in advance to prepare the ground (again, so to speak!) to make this a handily profitable venture. I think another mission was the consideration: What to do when Saudi oil runs out? And what does Saudi Arabia do? Afer all, The Saudis have been our loyal allies (when the Repubs were in power)... accepting the dollar, sinking their monies into Treasuries, studiously avoiding Israel, and opening the OPEC oil spigot when oil prices threatened to rise too high. Provisions have to be made for our loyal friends, do
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Really, let France and England take it, we have a bad hammie.
Hopefully, it looks like we wont be taking this one, thanks.
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One of the curious things is that while it seems the Republicans have had a continuing love affair with the sheiks of the OPEC states, the same can't seem to be said for the Tories. THAT relationship- along with a special relationship to Israel- seems to belong to Labor, Blair in particular.
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Oh, and BTW I will be happy to provide cites that you will all accept as credible (WSJ, Reuters, Foreign Policy etc) for the background facts. These are simply musings on my part. Sometimes it's helpful to know where you've been to know where you're going.
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Well it starts even earlier than that, cause the first strike on the WTC towers was in 1993 via Ramzi Youssef acting on the orders of Khalid Shiek Mohammed, and the fact that they were given the bomb to do it *BY* the FBI via one Emad Salem, who as I understand was also instrumental in getting the blasted thing wired properly, and who was himself suspicious enough of his FBI handlers to record certain conversations in which they ordered him NOT to sabotage the bomb, which was subsequently detonated with substantial property damage and loss of life.
And of course they tried to pin it on Emad Salem who spilled his guts to the US Dept of Justice (traditionally the turf-war enemy of the FBI) who then stuffed him down the WITPRO rabbithole.
The DSS acting in concert with the Pakistani ISI rounded up KSM in 1995, along with a boatload of actionable intel and documents, and he loved to rant and rave, so we got the whole Bojinka package on a properly served warrant and by the book, hands off interrogation - we HAD THE GOODS.
And then we dismissed that interrogation out of hand, fired all the translators working on the documents, and sent ole KSM to the waterboard till he told us what we wanted to hear, yeah that worked out really well didn't it.
There's also the fact that we more or less created the damn Mujahedeen and by way of that, Osama Bin Laden, by financing them and arming them to sandbag the Soviets, even *WHILE* still seething over Iran kicking out the Shah (who we propped up after murdering the secular and reasonable Mossedeigh in 1953) and propping up, arming and financing one Saddam Hussein in response to that.
So on one end it's kind of like the old lady who swallowed a fly, if at any step of this we had maybe LEFT WELL THE HELL ENOUGH ALONE, things wouldn't have turned out so badly, but we didn't.
Then there's the Saudi end, in that the Saudis were more or less paying Danegeld to some of these creeps to do that crap elsewhere, while still keeping them on the strings just a little as a counter to our stupider acts of meddling - which by itself would not have been enough but since the people of the region see them as the ONLY valid bulwark against our constant aggression and manipulation they begrudgingly tolerate them even as they grind their teeth about how awful the bastards are - without the external threat that justifies needing them, these assholes would have been lynched by their own people years ago.
And lets not forget Kuwait, who really was cross-drilling, and how the primary financier, bagman and more or less ringleader of 9-11 was Kuwaiti and happens to be rotting in a supermax prison right here while we otherwise try to point the finger at the politically convenient menace of the week, yes ?
Of course, a small nod to SecDef Gates here, who I highly suspect knew something was up and moved assets into place to minimize casualties and damage without being obvious enough about it to tip off his supposed superiors - which is why resources were so conveniently already on site and the section of the Pentagon struck was conveniently empty.
And as mentioned above, credible cites exist for every bit of this.
Finally, all of this, all of it, and the only contribution our so-called protectors had was to initiate, enable, or ignore it, despite billions pissed away... and for what, agencies who themselves are a greater threat to american prosperity and freedom than any terrorist could hope to be ?
I want my money back.
-F
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So, in other words- we fund and abet jihadists.
I hope rappy and others who see radical islamism as "the" boogeyman are reading this, because rather than assuming that these people are just fanatical nut-jobs, it's ALWAYS useful to follow the money, honey.
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