Stealth Health - for Siggy!
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UPDATED: Thursday, September 19, 2024 18:05
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Personally, I consume a single celled protein combined with synthetic aminos, vitamins, and minerals. Everything the body needs.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Unless you can find a way to convince people that the problems are of our own making and so the solutions are in our hands as well!
Noticed this just now, COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY in agreement. Though you and I might disagree on the solutions, we can at least acknowledge the problems and try to find solutions.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Yes, it is. It just is, and it is also inherently evil.
This isn't the worst of all possible worlds. It isn't all endless suffering. But it's close. And the only escape is death. Unless we create our own escape.
Ha, your biblical roots are showing.
One of the problems that the church in Victorian times had regarding Darwin's theory of evolution was not that it contradicted the biblical story of creation, which Victorian Anglicans never took literally, but that it contracticted their beliefs of the pastoral beauty of 'God's wondrous creation' ie nature. Evolutionary theory demonstrates the harshness of nature, the frantic, brutal, competitive race for survival that exists all around us and that we are part of. To the Victorians, it all suddenly seemed evil.
But then that's the Bible for ya, all black and white thinking. Pick a side, good, pure, virginal and holy or bad, impure, base and demonic. It's fundamentally flawed thinking, and a one way trip to self loathing.
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I was never taught bible. My parents are atheists, as am I.
My grandparents tried to take me to Mormon church once, but I was promptly removed. You talk of black and white, but there is no white, and there is no black.
The universe is a uniformly inhospitable place, prone to general assholery and very likely situated itself within a highly destructive extra-dimensional black hole.
The euphemisms are infinite, and so is the shit. Raining down. Timelessly. Endlessly.
We are the deep-worms of all the worlds and all possible realities, groping in the dark, feasting on the ruin and waste of things long dead. We are made of death, and death is nothingness.
It's a more cheerful philosophy than you would think. There is freedom in this, in knowing everything is evil and terrible. You can reject most social constructs, as they are pointless, much as my explanation that eating meat is evil - while true - is pointless. This is the moral flexibility I mentioned.
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"I think that disproportionately you'd find that malnutrition tends to exist among the poorer segments of those populations, who can't afford the full variety of foods that their culture might offer."
Eh ... not really.
The problems in the Mideast for example come from a diet heavy in unleavened bread. And that's b/c hardy wheat is what grows there, even when not much else will. The problem with unleavened bread is that is contains a lot of phytates - which bind minerals (and most especially divalent cations) - which keeps them from being absorbed. And minerals which are most marginal in the diet, in this particular case zinc, fall below adequate levels in the diet, leading to stunted growth and poor development of sex systems. It's quite an endemic problem, not b/c the people are particularly poor, but b/c they're living in an environemnt which doesn't supply them with an adequate diet.
The same is true for people who live anywhere far from the ocean and its iodine-laden air. That includes mountain chains and inland areas - huge swathes of the globe. Compared to other animals, people require a large amount of iodine. If they don't get it, babies are born with congenital cretinism (brain development is an energy-intensive process, without the iodine to create the thyroxin, the oomph just isn't there when it's needed most), adults develop goiter, and other health problems. It's not a matter of being poor. It's just that large percentages of the population suffer from iodine deficiency b/c it's lacking in the environment in which they live.
I could go on at length about how these various dietary deficiencies are endemic in populations around the globe. But that wouldn't convince you, b/c frankly, you've got a bug about it that defies ANY amount of data or reason.
So, what I hope to do is ask you to consider this as calmly as you can:
You say you like to study science. But then you say people are exempt from the limits of nature - rules are meant to be broken!
Would you say that about gravity? That somehow gravity doesn't apply to us just BECAUSE we're people? Not that we can't develop machines that fly, but that we are exempt from gravity completely? Is that true?
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"For example, take a Mediterranean style diet."
"I could go on, but the point is made."
And your point is that dietary deficiencies don't exist? That we don't need a minimum of essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, minerals and vitamins? Is that your point?
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Would you say that about gravity? That somehow gravity doesn't apply to us just BECAUSE we're people? Not that we can't develop machines that fly, but that we are exempt from gravity completely? Is that true?
We haven't broken the rules yet. We're just working on it.
I have every confidence that we might someday, though probably not in my lifetime.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"For example, take a Mediterranean style diet."
"I could go on, but the point is made."
And your point is that dietary deficiencies don't exist? That we don't need a minimum of essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, minerals and vitamins? Is that your point?
My point is that people overthink this stuff. If you maintain a healthy and stable weight and you eat a variety of foods, which may or may not include much or any meat, you shouldn't have to worry about vitamin deficiencies because you should already be getting what you need. Especially in modern times. Yes there are exceptions, there are always exceptions, like with allergies and apparently regional considerations, but nutrition isn't really that hard. Because if it was, the human species couldn't have survived this long. We'd be like pandas, eating bamboo even though our digestive tract is not well designed for that, and going extinct.
The food and nutrition industry takes advantage of the confusion they create to cause problems or to market snake oil.
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I could go on at length about how these various dietary deficiencies are endemic in populations around the globe. But that wouldn't convince you, b/c frankly, you've got a bug about it that defies ANY amount of data or reason.
Wow. So jumping to call me "unscientific" after you only once posted new information I hadn't encountered before. I have a "bug" about it because I disagreed with you one time.
Gosh it couldn't be that maybe I'm less informed than you, but might still have a point. No, it has to be that I'm a MORON who doesn't understand or appreciate science, and is iffy on the concept of gravity.
This is why I dislike arguing with any of you. Maybe you'd prefer my good friend Strawman instead of Bytemite?
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I THINK I know what you're referring to, but there are a couple of different things that seem to be scrambled into one question, so ...
B12 is a very, very trace vitamin. And it takes a lot to extract it from even good sources. The stomach produces a two compounds, intrinsic factor and a compound called haptocorrin. Haptocorrin binds to B12 in situ and protects the B12 from being digested with protein digestive enzymes and HCl found in the stomach. As the food travels into the duodenum, the increased pH allows the haptocorrin to be digested. Then the intrinsic factor combines with B12. The complex travels further into the ileum where special cells engulf the complex, break it apart internally, combine it with transcobalamin, then release it to the bloodstream. (Intelligent design my ass.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_factor
Even if you take a VERY large oral dose of B12, if your absorption system is compromised anywhere, you'll absorb only a very, very small fraction - a thousandth or less. So there's a significant barrier to absorbing B12 unless your system is all in good working order.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Here's a question. Vitamin B-12 tends to bio-accumulate in animals. If we need to eat animals or take B-12 supplements to combat vitamin B-12 deficiency and cognitive decline, then how come even large oral doses of vitamin B-12 supplements results in limited uptake through the blood brain barrier?
And if that is the case, why should I be concerned about eating animals for the vitamin B-12 if a more concentrated dose doesn't have very good returns either?
If someone could explain that to me, then maybe I might concede that eating animals really is important from a dietary standpoint. And give some credit to the studies that say B-12 supplements have helped alzheimer's and dementia patients.
And then still not eat animals. :P
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I still don't understand how eating animals makes any difference in vitamin B-12 in that case.
And what I read is that the absorption is still not much to speak of even if your system is working. My understanding is that Alzheimer's and dementia patients have normal amounts of vitamin B-12 in their serum, but the blood brain barrier doesn't allow much uptake into the brain.
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