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"Humans can CHOOSE"
We can choose what we eat, but we can't chose what we are. And even if we choose to eat plants ... or fungi ... or nutritionally selected, grown and compressed bacteria ... they are all alive, or were alive till we cooked them - and certainly until we ate them.
Such is the fate of not being a plant, and unable to get our food from the non-living sun, water, air, and minerals. We must eat living things of some type.
If we are a product of nature, then nature made us eaters all evil.
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"Humans can CHOOSE"
We can choose what we eat, but we can't chose what we are. And even if we choose to eat plants ... or fungi ... or nutritionally selected, grown and compressed bacteria ... they are all alive, or were alive till we cooked them - and certainly until we ate them.
Such is the fate of not being a plant, and unable to get our food from the non-living sun, water, air, and minerals. We must eat living things of some type.
If we are a product of nature, then nature made us eaters all evil.
You do realize this is exactly what I said?
Or do you believe I said that I think bioengineering with bacteria is evil for a lark?
We live in a horrible world where even the act of existing is evil. This is our reality. We are evil. The question we must ask ourselves is if we can rise ABOVE that.
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Quote:A concept that I've been dealing with recently.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
If we are a product of nature, then nature made us eaters all evil.
If killing is a good thing, the wars we engage in are totally cool. It's the way of things. Collateral damage is just... lunch.
Jungle boogie.
Kill that piggie! That enemy!
I wanna LIVE!!!!
Wait... sorry, I just had to kill a mosquito trying to steal my blood.
Welcome to my existential crisis.;-)
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"We live in a horrible world where even the act of existing is evil. This is our reality. We are evil."
Then nature is evil to have created such evil ...
I come from a different perspective. Nature just is. "Heaven and earth are not humane." But our evolution is to live within groups - to survive generation to generation by expending ourselves caring for the weak and helpless, to cooperate with each other because no one can live on their own from the moment of birth, and no one is exempt from the debt they owe for their very life. In the human context, good and evil make more sense.
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Then nature is evil to have created such evil ...
I come from a different perspective. Nature just is.
Yes, it is. It just is, and it is also inherently evil.
This isn't the worst of all possible worlds. It isn't all endless suffering. But it's close. And the only escape is death. Unless we create our own escape.
The only ray of light I can see is I think humans might be able to manage it. And that's why I'm pulling for humans and the other animals and the plants and all the other lifeforms. It's us against the world.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
If we are a product of nature, then nature made us eaters all evil.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
A concept that I've been dealing with recently.
If killing is a good thing, the wars we engage in are totally cool. It's the way of things. Collateral damage is just... lunch.
Jungle boogie.
Kill that piggie! That enemy!
I wanna LIVE!!!!
Wait... sorry, I just had to kill a mosquito trying to steal my blood.
Welcome to my existential crisis.;-)
Perhaps I'm insufficiently sensitive to this. I find killing an animal to eat to be in a non-intersecting dimension from killing in war. One is done from necessity, the other ... from human emotions that don't recognize solutions to problems.
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"Yes, it is. It just is, and it is also inherently evil."
Because of entropy?
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"Yes, it is. It just is, and it is also inherently evil."
Because of entropy?
It's true, the very laws of nature themselves are extremely hostile to any form of life.
Fortunately for us, laws are made to be broken. And I don't think any of us should have to put up with the universe's shit.
That's why I like science.
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Quote:All is One; violence is violence. War is killing for land or fossil fuel resources, animal life termination is killing for food resources.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I find killing an animal to eat to be in a non-intersecting dimension from killing in war.
It all boils down to violence for gas or burgers.
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Here's where I see the difference:
Suppose you have two villages on opposite sides of the river. At first all is OK - there's plenty of land to farm, plenty of game (they eat meat), plenty of fish, plenty of fruit and greens and firewood to gather. But as populations grow, resources start to look insufficient.
Now, the evolutionary answer is that the thing which corners the most resources the first is the thing that will survive. So, in the case of the two villages, the fact of dwindling resources becomes - not an impersonal problem to be solved - but a competition to win. And in the face of impending resource insecurity, oddly enough (and this is borne out looking at history and even at our current overpopulation problem) the villagers have MORE children when there are fewer resources, not fewer children. These people are responding automatically to a survival threat, with emotions they don't even know they feel.
Now let's suppose these people really were intelligent, rational, aware. They would meet together, come to some mutually agreeable division of resources, and control their populations accordingly - thus assuring resource security for all without bloodshed, into the indefinite future.
That's what I meant about war being a response to emotion which can't see solutions to problems. In that sense, war is a choice.
Just a commentary - people like to think that as a species we're intelligent b/c we have technology. I don't see that. Our technology has made us super-efficient bacteria at eating our way through the petri dish.
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