Stealth Health - for Siggy!
POSTED BY: FREMDFIRMA
UPDATED: Thursday, September 19, 2024 18:05
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Quote:Like Pris said, "Then we're stupid & we'll die."
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Just a commentary - people like to think that as a species we're intelligent b/c we have technology. I don't see that. Our technology has made us super-efficient bacteria at eating our way through the petri dish.
Bummer.
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Unless you can find a way to convince people that the problems are of our own making and so the solutions are in our hands as well!
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Well, you certainly have an interesting discussion going on.
Sorry to by such a buzzkill, but I find myself stuck back at...
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But more than that... Humans can CHOOSE. Cats can't.
Uh, no we can't. We don't have the knowledge to choose. What do we know? As KIKI pointed out- many posts ago- until recently, the role of omega-3 in human diet wasn't recognized. There was a famous study of beta-carotene supplementation to reduce cancers because people with high beta-carotene had lower cancer rates. Not 18 months later, they had to stop the study because people getting the supplements had HIGHER rates of cancer. Ten years later, they quietly figured out that it was ALPHA carotene that was the protective agent. OOPS! Vitamin E... OOOPS! Causes prostate cancer. Soy phyto-estrogens... OOOPS, doesn't protect against cancer, may cause it. Fish oil... might not be good for guys. FISH on the other hand... even full of mercury and all the other bad stuff... is still good for you.
Personally, I can't do vegan. I seem to need a high amount of protein otherwise my blood sugar goes crazy, and I'm allergic to wheat, rye, and barely.
Point is that you can't get experts to even agree how many calories people should be eating; how much protein, fats, and carbs and what kind. Having seen so many "miracle foods" and "vital supplements" and "age-defying diets" come (and go) the only thing we CAN choose is (1) a wide variety of foods (2) which includes meat and fish (containing vitamine B12, a necessity) (3) naturally produced.
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I've always considered the constant overturning and debate in dietary science to be indicative that people are over-thinking all this WAY too much.
I'm sure Omega 3s and fish are ESSENTIAL... Especially considering how people who lived no where near an ocean in the past ages probably ate so much goddamned fish.
Although, my apologies Sig if you really are allergic to grains. Crohn's and similar are rough.
Still, barring allergies... It's just food. It's only as important as the bare minimum amount required to keep you moving. Different cultures eat a wide variety of it, most of it is edible and can sustain them long enough to reach twenty or so years of adulthood, and longer if they're lucky. And EVERYTHING causes cancer. I really think we obsess about what we're eating and I think THAT might be what's unhealthy.
So, weird diets with no animal products? Go for it. Because humans CAN choose. (So can cats and birds, for that matter, if the scientific studies about non-carnivorous and non-insectivorous diets are anything to judge by) And if someone gets cancer they probably already had a genetic predisposition and would've gotten it anyway no matter what they ate.
And if someone only wants to eat meat all the time, you know, whatever, more power to them. Killing animals (or even plants) for food is just a drop in the bucket compared to all the other evils out there, even if I kind of want to object to it here. Because yes, it is pretty much morally wrong, which is an obvious and self-evident conclusion requiring minimal logical legwork once you blow past all the justifications (another very good indication of moral wrongness - having to automatically defend it on ethical grounds or hand wave it as "necessary and therefore neutral." The term "necessary EVIL" exists for a reason).
You'll have to forgive me, though, for living my life in accordance as I best see fit. You can take your Omega 3s, and Vitamin B-12s, and I'll be just fine, thanks, because there's enough pop culture pseudoscience from the nutritionists and dietary specialists and FDA and big industry food companies that I feel I can safely ignore any of their NEW SPECTACULAR FINDINGS that they might want to fuss about.
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"Different cultures eat a wide variety of it..."
And suffer accordingly. Rickets in Ethiopia and Eritrea. Malacia in India and Pakistan. Blindness in Africa. Stunted grow and lack of sexual development in the Mideast. Congenital cretinism in inland Africa, the Andes, the Himalayas, the Alps, central US and across the plains of Russia and China ... and so on. I have whole books documenting this. Just FYI.
OR - we could have a game ... call it GUESS THAT NUTRIENT! I think you'd be surprised at some of them. :-)
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I think that disproportionately you'd find that malnutrition tends to exist among the poorer segments of those populations, who can't afford the full variety of foods that their culture might offer. Not that the culinary offerings of the culture itself are particularly lacking.
We can also make similar conclusions about American culinary culture and malnutrition/ obesity (an overabundance of deficient or unbalanced cheap "fast food").
And if we take poverty level considerations out of it, we find that a wide range of diets actually seem to be acceptable in terms of human health.
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Look at who's healthy, and eat sort of like them. That's rocket-scientist advice.;-)
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Look at who's healthy, and eat sort of like them. That's rocket-scientist advice.;-)
Well... Yes and no. There may well be other factors at work.
For example, take a Mediterranean style diet. Pastas and wine and olive oil. For a while there was some widespread belief that such a diet promoted longevity. Was it the pasta? No, no, grains are too easy to convert to sugars and then fats. Was it anti-oxidant qualities in tomato sauce? The wine and its resveratrol? God forbid, the olive oil?
It must be the wine! Of course, it's not as healthy as thought for people who are already healthy, particularly women. Which brings into question whether there's really a long term effect.
And olive oil is not as bad for you as was once thought... Until the next study overturns that.
The mediterranean diet mostly was just looking at people who seem healthy and their diets and making some unfounded assumptions and playing around with statistics. As it turns out, in the Mediterranean people used to work out more in the fields and have a more agriculturally centered life-style - more exercise. But urbanization has reduced exercise and also caused a dietary fallback on a lot of meat and cheeses.
Then there's eastern diets. Look how long they all live! Is it the rice? No, same problem as the pasta...
I could go on, but the point is made.
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Here's a question. Vitamin B-12 tends to bio-accumulate in animals. If we need to eat animals or take B-12 supplements to combat vitamin B-12 deficiency and cognitive decline, then how come even large oral doses of vitamin B-12 supplements results in limited uptake through the blood brain barrier?
And if that is the case, why should I be concerned about eating animals for the vitamin B-12 if a more concentrated dose doesn't have very good returns either?
If someone could explain that to me, then maybe I might concede that eating animals really is important from a dietary standpoint. And give some credit to the studies that say B-12 supplements have helped alzheimer's and dementia patients.
And then still not eat animals. :P
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
[It's true, the very laws of nature themselves are extremely hostile to any form of life.
Fortunately for us, laws are made to be broken. And I don't think any of us should have to put up with the universe's shit.
That's why I like science.
*laughing*
Because, SCIENCE!
Yes.
-F
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