Joss Whedon's; The Watcher????
POSTED BY: TheSomnambulist
UPDATED: Monday, October 4, 2004 16:36
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CYBERSNARK - maybe, but I see that as falling back into well trodden territory.
See, we have years of those characters and things. Don't drive it into the ground.
1st rule of theatre - always leave 'em wanting more. 
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Quote:Hm? Jonathan Creek? Link please.
Originally posted by CosmicFugitive:
... like a darker version of Jonathan Creek - only ALOT better. That's how I'd envision it.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
To The Somnambulist - Well, if people as sagacious as you are involved, I'd be more in favour of it.
Why thank you...
I don't know how sagacious I am especially as I had to go and look the word sagacious up in the dictionary! Doh!
But you know there's a hell of a lot of history here in England which is condusive for a Watcher style show. There's plenty of fuel for narratives on that front...
More to the point though, just once it would be nice, for us here in the uk anyway, to have a show set in Britain which isn't about a middle aged, divorced, misanthropic poilce detective who's given two hours and six ad breaks to fathom out who the killer is!
C'mon Joss get your butt over to England!
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Ghoulman
Here's a JC link:
http://www.jonathancreek.net
Not a fan of the show myself, but I see where comparisons can be drawn.
It was though after the events firmly routed in reality. Also there was little character development as the show ran.
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^^^ thanks for the link!
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
More to the point though, just once it would be nice, for us here in the uk anyway, to have a show set in Britain which isn't about a middle aged, divorced, misanthropic poilce detective who's given two hours and six ad breaks to fathom out who the killer is!
C'mon Joss get your butt over to England!
ROTFL!!! That's a Helen Mirren crack isn't it?
And I see your point about England and it's history - if any show gives me that richness I'll be there with bells on.
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Ghoulman
She's one but there are and have been a slew of them.
Prime Suspect as you've already mentioned but there is also:
Jack Frost (I know)
Morse ( Mercifully that's finished now)
Midsommer Murders (With the old bloke who starred in Bergerac - A cop show set on the Island of Jersey!!!)
Taggart(I think this is still going even though the central character died about ten years ago!!)
Silent Witness ( Pathologist or summit can't remember never watch it - but dull as..)
Rosemary and Thyme ( two well past it retired women busy bodying beyond belief and interfering in others' lives kinda like miss Marple! But two of them!!!)
There are more actually but I've now realised I don't even remember the names - but they all have this morbid fascination of presenting grisly and gruesome seemingly unexplainable deaths - and every show is basically about one upmanship with rival shows on how to present England as grim grey and humourless.
Non of these I would mind if they didn't all feel like they're the same concept.
Ok rant over.
:)
Cheers Ghoulman nice chatting with you.
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
... OK, can someone start a thread that kills this mining of Joss' universe? Especially by Joss himself.
Well Ghoulman, I think you are underestimating Joss,
if he felt he had enough stories for a series in England about Giles, then I think we can bet that he has some really interesting things to tell us!
Similarly Joss said he had another whole season's worth (at least, maybe two years worth) of stories to tell on Ats before it was cancelled...
so just because you (or I) can't think of what still needs to be told is no reason to assume that Joss is similarly lacking in imagination.
Joss is really a young man (just 40) and he has a lot of stories he hasn't had the chance to tell, for Firefly and for the Buffyverse...and personally I hope he has a chance to tell them all!
And Somnambulist, Joss made the distinction that Fox productions (not Fox television) was interested in making the TV movies, I'm not sure who will be interested in buying them and airing them....
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Young man of 40. I LOVE you! I feel young and plucky.
^^^ I think you're exactly right EMBERS. One reason I'm such a huge fan of Joss Whedon is that he does exactly what one should NOT do (at least I wouldn't use such tired old genre trappings like Joss does) and yet makes it dramatic and interesting.
I'm just scared he will finally bore me I think. I want my hero to go off, drop these genre trappings, and take the red pill! 
I could go on.
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Originally posted by TheSomnambulist:
... SNIP!
Non of these I would mind if they didn't all feel like they're the same concept.
Ok rant over.
:)
Cheers Ghoulman nice chatting with you.
lol! Nice rant! You're the best. I think what you are talking about are what are refered to here as "proceedure shows", though there is that ole English tradition of the mystery. Personally, I like the Brother Cadefael stories.
Yea, we here have all those American shows that just go around wondering who killed who. Worse, they have LAW& ORDER which has that and then a court case so fantisized you might think you were watching a 1950s propoganda piece.
What ever happened to realism? Remember "and Justice For All", that sort of thing? Well, it's not the sort of thing that reassures people who are deeply afraid of the world they have created. They need to know the "system" works... and that's what TV is for.
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And Somnambulist, Joss made the distinction that Fox productions (not Fox television) was interested in making the TV movies, I'm not sure who will be interested in buying them and airing them....
Oh right... So fox Productions see the worth in the project. OK. I'll keep my eyes peeled.
Man I hope they go for it, because like you I'm very confident Joss has an idea of where he would like to take that character, and as we know Joss is often a couple of years ahead of himself, as he proved with Dawn being mentioned at the end of Season three of Buffy, and not until season 5 have her make an appearance.
So it's not out of the realms of posibility that he hasn't already worked out a season ark for Giles'
Well Embers thanks again. Here's hoping eh? :)
Cheers
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Yea, we here have all those American shows that just go around wondering who killed who. Worse, they have LAW& ORDER which has that and then a court case so fantisized you might think you were watching a 1950s propoganda piece.
What ever happened to realism? Remember "and Justice For All", that sort of thing? Well, it's not the sort of thing that reassures people who are deeply afraid of the world they have created. They need to know the "system" works... and that's what TV is for.
Oh yeah... Whatever happended to Magnum PI
Now that was a show. He, he!!
But I hear you about the law and order shows! Who'd have thought a TV show about a bunch of unethical lawyers would captivate TV audiences!!! Incredible...
Cheers
TheSomnambulist
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