Christian Movement Says Husbands NEED To Keep Their Wives In Line

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GEEZER

Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:53 AM

Google "domestic dicipline" and you'll find that this is not just a Christian movement. Plenty of secular DD, it appears from the web. Sounds more like mild consensual BDSM play than anything else.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

NIKI2

Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:51 PM

Magons, I couldn't read that stuff, sorry. Still had too bad a taste in my mouth from the first stuff. But, 'yes' to everything you said.

And Mal4, if you really think that's not a woman writing that, hooo, boy, do you not know what's going on! If you don't think there are lots and LOTS of "Christian" women who think this is a great idea, you don't know beans. "The Church" has ALWAYS been about keeping women in their place, so it's a natural transgression, but as Geezer mentions, it's simply S&M with a religious veil pulled over it, and there are lots of women into THAT. Also lots of women get sucked into that mentality without having their religion used to put it in place and sanction it; to do so is egregious beyond belief.

The difference IS the religion, and it's a biggie. Geezer waving it off as nothing is sickening, that this is INSTITUTIONALIZED S&M, with only the man having control, and SANCTIONED by the Church, which is sickening. To pretend this is something other than what it is, simple bullying, even if accepted by the ignorant woman, displays a mentality that should make him ashamed, which of course it doesn't. Any more than, obviously, it offends Rap. Apparently they're still part of that rape culture we need to fix, given their tacit approval.

And yes, of course, since we don't rail about it every hour on the hour, we all "approve" of Shariah abuse of women, and as long as SOMEONE else is doing it, or anything right-wing "Christians" do, is fine by Rap.

In reality, it's just plain sickening; if people want to play at S&M, that's their business; to make it a part of a RELIGION, thereby putting the woman in a position where it's far harder for her to complain or seek help, is beyond unconscionable. Like women haven't suffered and fought long and hard enough to gain the right to determine their own fate, and so much of it against the very religion being used as an excuse for this atrocity!

One of the remarks by experts is that it's a way for "Christians" to legitimize S&M, since "Christians" tend to be more "conservative" (if you will) in their approach to sexuality. That's bullshit, too; if they need an excuse to experiment, let them find another one. This one is disgusting. Be up front about it, don't put a woman in the position of being coerced by her religion (any more than they already ARE), or in a position where, if she chooses NOT to (even after the fact), she faces potential disapproval or otherwise from figures of authority.

PENGUIN

Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:40 PM

Religion is about control.

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

KPO

Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:12 PM

Pretty horrible, I hope Wulfenstar doesn't come across this movement.

On Auraptor's jokey, casual sexism: it's interesting, I can remember a time not too long ago when I would have found it funny. I think sometimes you need to be at the wrong end of bigotry before you can develop a real revulsion to it.

It's not personal. It's just war.

NIKI2

Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:15 PM

Good. I'm glad you don't find it funny anymore; if we could educate everyone, men and women alike, to not find this shit funny, we'd go a long ways toward making this a better world for ALL of us.

I've got news for you; if you'd been on the butt end of this kind of crap from birth, you NEVER would have found it funny.

KPO

Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:16 PM

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if you'd been on the butt end of this kind of crap from birth, you NEVER would have found it funny.

No doubt.

It's not personal. It's just war.

NIKI2

Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:19 PM

Sorry, cross-posting. I'll put it here: What changed for you? I've never noted whether you were male or female, but if you're female, you've been lucky. I have too, actually; I THINK it's because of my size (and maybe how my size effects my mentality or something), but I've suffered far less patronizing, belittling and sexism than I've seen other women around me. I see/hear it and am offended on their behalf, and usually speak up if they don't (tho' around here it's rare enough now and most women WILL speak up, so I don't see OR hear it hardly at all anymore).

ETA: Except here on FFF.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:33 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
This is just institutionalised abuse, make no mistake about it. What they are advocating is violence against women.

And that is *EXACTLY* how I feel, to a nicety, when they advocate it in regards to children - now you see my point ?

On top of that, I did absolutely tell y'all this kinda thing was coming, cause all that crap about personhood and womens control over their own bodies and all that rot is in fact a lashing out at the fact that women HAVE rights, most particularly the one the Conservatives really, REALLY want to strip from them... the right to Vote.

I described the plan-in-concept a couple times in detail here as I recall, and this is just more of the same, attempting to shove women back into a chattel status, soon followed by minorities, in hopes of returning to a good-ole-days (that never were) where such people "knew their place".

Believe me, a lifetime spent trying to elevate youth OUT of that abusive legal, social and moral sinkhole of our society makes one very keen on spotting attempts to shove people back in, and particularly rabid about not allowing it to happen.

In essence, this is the same Dobson-Ezzo Black Pedagogy bullshit applied to a husband-wife relationship instead of a parent-child one, while shading the differents between those two in the bargain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisonous_pedagogy

THE SAME GODDAMN THING.
Now do you understand my outrage, my hatred of the people behind this ?

-Frem

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
On Auraptor's jokey, casual sexism: it's interesting, I can remember a time not too long ago when I would have found it funny. I think sometimes you need to be at the wrong end of bigotry before you can develop a real revulsion to it.

That, or having to clean up after the damage it does, again, and again, and again....

I think anyone who ever did find such nastiness amusing oughta be forced to watch the inevitable death spiral of someone damaged past helping by this shit, and if they still find humor in it, executed on the spot.

-F

KPO

Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:56 PM

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Sorry, cross-posting. I'll put it here: What changed for you? I've never noted whether you were male or female, but if you're female, you've been lucky.

I'm not female but I am black. Like you I've been lucky and not faced much bigotry/discrimination directly, but just with a growing awareness of racism in society (thanks a lot to the internet) at some point something snapped... Now it's personal; I no longer have any tolerance for these attitudes towards discriminated minorities be it female, gay, Muslim, whatever.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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