Christian Movement Says Husbands NEED To Keep Their Wives In Line
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:57
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Frem: Did you harbor some belief that anyone here did NOT see your point or share your outrage about children (tho' there are some of us who aren't as easily given to hating PEOPLE as much as what they DO)?!?
And did you somehow think you were telling us something many of us didn't already know and weren't already saying about the situation with the right and women?? I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't feel precisely the same as you do about children, and it's only some righties here who have been claiming there WASN'T a war on women and women's rights. You are no prophet, sir, and that you revel in hatred is nothing about which to feel superior.
KPO, I honor you for your honesty and your growth. But that we should all grow in our recognition of the need to speak up against such things, and be as courageously honest. I noted at one point that you write from across the Pond, but that's all I knew about you previously.
Brenda: I'VE MISSED YOU! Haven't heard your voice for a while, and wondered if we/I had offended...I'm still watching my Due South, and still enjoying it, by the way ;o). As voices from outside our narrow little world are important to me, aside from the fact that I just plain LIKE yours, I missed you doubly.
We are a society suffering from problems down here which particularly shame me; I hope we can grow beyond them in time. I like to harbor the hope that, where both sexism and racism are concerned, America is going through one of those growth phases where people act out before they move forward. Hey, I'm allowed to dream!
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Originally posted by Niki2:
The difference IS the religion, and it's a biggie. Geezer waving it off as nothing is sickening, that this is INSTITUTIONALIZED S&M, with only the man having control, and SANCTIONED by the Church, which is sickening.
CDD is SANCTIONED by the church? What church? Name one recognized Christian denomination that sanctions this. The fact that they quote scripture to their ends doesn't mean any actual church supports their actions.
This is a few thousand mostly anonymous folks who, per the Daily Beast and Huffpost articles, communicate online and discuss their particular interest. The only difference I can see between them and any other fetishist is that they cloak their kink of choice in religious overtones.
And like any other BDSM play, once it ceases to be consensual, it's abuse.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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And like any other BDSM play, once it ceases to be consensual, it's abuse.
It seems to me the danger with this movement is that women may be manipulated into consenting because they're taught it's their religious duty to submit.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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And like any other BDSM play, once it ceases to be consensual, it's abuse.
It seems to me the danger with this movement is that women may be manipulated into consenting because they're taught it's their religious duty to submit.
It's not personal. It's just war.
I would guess that some women, or men, are manipulated into submission in any such relationship, whether due to religion, perceived roles, or their personal quirks. That's a risk in any relationship, be it religious or secular - dating, marriage, kinky sex, or whatever.
I'm not saying that bad results can't occur from a CDD relationship - any more or less than any other relationship - but characterizing it as something that's sanctioned by anything but a fringe element of Christianity is bogus.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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The idea of the submissive wife, as per Ephesians 5:22, 24, 33. “Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. . . . As the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. . . . The wife must see to it that she respects her husband.” The submission of the wife to the Christian husband is clear. It should be the same submission as that given to the Lord Himself." is increasingly being discussed amongst Christians of many denominations, as the power of fundamentalists, those who follow the Bible literally increases in America and Australia.
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SALT LAKE CITY — A wife should "submit herself graciously" to her husband, the Southern Baptist Convention declared Tuesday, throwing the weight of the nation's second-largest religious organization behind a controversial belief of Christian conservatives.
Representatives of the 16 million-member denomination voted overwhelmingly to add four paragraphs about the nature of the family to the "Baptist Faith and Message," the central statement of the denomination's beliefs, which had not been amended for 35 years.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-06-10/news/9806100212_1_baptis
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Sacred Scripture clearly teaches that God gives men and women different roles in the Church, the family, and society. Men are intended by God to be teachers and leaders in the Church, the family, and society. Women should not have any kind of teaching role over adult men. Women should not have any kind of leadership role over adult men.
Women may teach and lead children, both boys and girls (even into the teenage years). God gave women the ability to become pregnant, to carry and give birth to children. In this way, God gave women also the primary role in teaching and leading children.
Women may teach and lead other women. An older and wiser woman may be a leader and teacher over other women, especially if they are younger or less knowledgeable than she. But it is not right for a young woman to take a role teaching or leading much older women, (unless those older women are mentally-disabled).
The teaching that men and women are meant to have different roles clearly indicates that changes are needed in our society today.
Women should not be political leaders. In politics, a woman should not be President or Vice President or Senator or Representative or Governor or a State legislator. A woman should not have any elected or appointed political position with authority over men, because it is contrary to the teaching of Scripture. A woman should not be Judge in any court of law, because courts have authority over men.
In general, women should not be law enforcement officers, though some exceptions to this rule can be made when a female is specifically needed for certain tasks (e.g. undercover law enforcement work or work involving women prisoners or involving children). Women should not be soldiers. Women should not be military officers with authority over male soldiers.
"Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." (Ephesians 5:22)
Here again is a Scripture passage often rejected or misinterpreted because of the influence of secular society. The teaching of Christ is that the husband is the head of the family. The wife is the heart of the family. The husband has authority over the family and over his wife. This is not the worldly authority of giving orders and dominating someone. Rather, it is an image of the loving authority of Christ over His Church.
"Wives, be obedient to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them." (Colossians 3:18)
This passage is often rejected by Christians, because they are following the ideas of their culture rather than the ideas of Christ. Women sometimes say that marriage is a "50-50 pNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It is entirely justifiable that Niki posts her concerns around any aspect of any religion that causes her concern, particularly given how fundamentalism and extremism can creep into the mainstream.
Maybe. But when she conflates the actions of a few thousand CDD adherents with Christianity at large, she's not attacking a problem, she's attacking a large and diverse group of people who'd probably agree with her that CDD is wrong.
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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A movement - as was pointed out before in this thread - that has origins in the teachings of x-tianity and a majority history that extends up to mere decades ago.
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Originally posted by kpo:
Pretty horrible, I hope Wulfenstar doesn't come across this movement.
On Auraptor's jokey, casual sexism: it's interesting, I can remember a time not too long ago when I would have found it funny. I think sometimes you need to be at the wrong end of bigotry before you can develop a real revulsion to it.
It's not personal. It's just war.
Only I offered up no sexism in this thread, casual or otherwise.
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Pretty sure Twilight and the 50 Shades series are what popularized this stuff among tween to thirty year old women.
Adding Christianity overtones is a new twist. But it was those pieces of tripe that created renewed appeal for these concepts among women and allowed this to become a movement. If it had only been men who wanted this, it would have remained a ridiculous underground thing like The Game. It only becomes a movement if the romantic overtures are successful.
Fundie groups and men who play the victim card in relationships have been waiting for this opportunity, true, but as much blame for this falls on the women who still find some appeal in the outdated notions of chivalry and the male as a "protective guardian."
Unfortunately the women are the ones who will suffer for this, when the romantic ideal gives way to the misogynistic reality. However, despite falling for such an obvious con, I think most of these women actually will be smart enough to get the hell out of dodge when it all goes down. I hate Twilight and 50 Shades, but I must recognize their value as a teaching mechanism for utterly naive people.
Side note: all romantic relationships subvert the identity and better judgement. I don't really understand why people believe them to be such a positive experience, or why they're so over emphasized by pop-culture and modern society. I can only assume it's because the establishment wants people to waste their time with meaningless "dating" and personal problems instead of rising up against more serious issues.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Pretty sure Twilight and the 50 Shades series are what popularized this stuff among tween to thirty year old women.
Adding Christianity overtones is a new twist. But it was those pieces of tripe that created renewed appeal for these concepts among women and allowed this to become a movement.
It may have increased the popularity of late, but its been around. I have a highly religious contingent in my family - one side Baptist, the other catholic - and they've lived by this "women obey the husband" notion - to a fault - my entire life. Hell, my Aunt is currently in prison for doing what her husband (also in prison) told her to do.
A cousin of mine got married last week - the entire ceremony was about her responsibility to obey him, and his responsibility to make the correct choices for her.
Creeped me the fuck out.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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