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Questions that conservatives can't answer

POSTED BY: kpo
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NIKI2

Saturday, March 23, 2013 5:46 PM

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there isn't a scientific body or institution that disputes the theory of man-made climate change.

Raptor has just agreed that there is no scientific body or institution which disputes man-made climate change. Until and unless he can provide some factual, verifiable evidence which does dispute man-made climate change, I bekueve that answers the question.

If he chooses to say "I dismiss any and all scientific bodies and institutions because I don't believe in it", that's his opinion and he's welcome to it. Everyone's welcome to their opinion, however wrong. He has merely made it very clear that it is his OPINION, with no factual evidence to back it up.

KWICKO

Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:06 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

That's adorable. You call accepting science a "religion"... but think your fact-free, idealogically driven view is grounded rationality. Much like a toddler, you are.

Except there's still some hope that a toddler will learn with time and experience; with Rappy, there can be no such hope. He has proven himself incapable of learning, unable to assimilate new ideas or new experiences.

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But thank you for verifying, once again - that you cannot give one single solitary piece of evidence backing your claims.

That's okay, no one expected a coward like you to do any better. You don't fucking care about facts or evidence... yes, yes, we know that about you already.

It's at the heart of his ideology, and explain why he votes Republican. Facts and evidence have no meaning within that party.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

HERO

Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:42 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Upon request, Auraptor can't name a scientific body or institution that disputes the theory of man-made climate change.

It is difficult to find an agency or organization that disputes the theory of global warming.

I note for the record that it is easy to find former members of organizations that support climate change theories who themselves dispute climate change. The reason is that if a person disputes climate change or seeks to further research that does not presuppose the conclusion that climate change is both happening and caused by man then said person becomes a former member.

There are numerous reports of evidence and conclusions being falisfied or 'adjusted to reflect administration policy'.

You probably will get all blubbery seeking specific examples. One such example is NASA where only former members of the organization are able to dispute the official policy.

You should probably get more specific in your inquiry since the subject breaks down into two distinct areas. First, is climate change happening? Despite the fact that storms, snow, droughts, rain, wind, and such all pre-existed modern times...the only acceptable answer is that these things are far worse now then before. The historical record disproves this, but history is not relevent to the issue since the ONLY acceptable answer predates the scientific or historical inquiry. In other words if the answer is 2 then the question MUST be what is 1+1 or 3-1 or something similar...the question of what is 2+2 is not allowed because it can't possibly equal the answer they've chosen.

The second area of inquiry, however, seems to allow slightly more leeway. This is simply, is man the cause of the climate change? The acceptable answer is yes...obviously. Only man can produce enough CO2 through industry to have caused climate change. But, prior to climate change people studied things like volcanoes, cows, the sun, prior climate change, etc. There are a lot of scientists who already published articles pointing out a lot of things can cause the temps to go up and down and man's influence is negligable at best.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

1KIKI

Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:20 AM

There are numerous reports of evidence and conclusions being falisfied or 'adjusted to reflect administration policy'. - presumably in support of AGW

While I've read of environmental problems being downplayed, re-written, and selectively released by administrators (for example, lowball estimates of the extent of the BP Macando spill released by the Obama administration, the dispersants used being labelled as non-toxic, fracking being dismissed as the probable cause of flammable water supplies after the initial scientific study said it was, suppression of scientific reports on extremely low levels of Arctic ice etc), I have never read of the administration claiming problems were BIGGER than they really were.

So, since you say there are 'numerous' falsified reports (presumably in support of AGW) surely you can quote - a dozen? half-dozen? in support of your claim.

"One such example is NASA where only former members of the organization are able to dispute the official policy."

Link? Cite? Quote? And, are they 'numerous'?

"There are a lot of scientists who already published articles pointing out a lot of things can cause the temps to go up and down and man's influence is negligable at best."

Links? Cites? Quotes? And don't forget, there have to be 'a lot' of them, as you claim.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:54 AM

Mal4Prez - there was a concurrent question at the same time which also contributed to his leaving, alas.

I had pointed out that the difference between Kosher and Halal was effectively immaterial and asked him if then he had an issue with Kosher too, or was it the *religion* of the people involved which so offended him.
And no, he never answered it, he came back for a short bit some time later and I repeated the question - at which point he bolted.

Really at this point I have only one question for "conservatives" in the modern assignment of that word.

What the fuck is WRONG with you people ?!

-F

HERO

Sunday, March 24, 2013 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
What the fuck is WRONG with you people ?!

Oh, that's an easy one.

We don't agree with you.

I know its hard to deal with, I know its frustrating, I know it makes you very upset. For you free speech, democracy, free thought are all good things so long as people say, think, and act as you see fit.

Then again, I suspect that if we all immediately came to your side you'd still be upset.

After all, we're the ones that actually make the world work. If we were on your side, your side would be our side, we'd own it, profit from it, and run it and you'd still be on the outside wondering what the hell just happened. Why do you think folks like AlGore are SO rich and have made so much money from their late-in-life conversions to the far left. AlGore used to be pro timber, pro coal, and pro tobacco moderate southern Democrat. Do you know how much money he's made since Jan 20, 2001 as the worlds most vocal radical environmentalist or from the sale of his TV network to The Jihadi News Network? How about a certain billionaire who's made tens of millions off the delay of the Keystone pipeline because he happens to own railroads in western Canada? Or working man millionaire Michael Moore who's fortune was made exploiting unions, school shootings, and healthcare reform? Or guys who use the title Reverand and advocate for the poor black community but whose personal wealth is hardly the definition of piety?

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

OLDGUY

Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:05 PM

wow....in all the time I've lurked about on this fansite... I had not poked into this section..but it's a dreary rainy quiet morning so...

you guys are a hoot! both sides...and argue til the end of time is the inevitable outcome when two immovable forces meet...

and why global climate change is always the topic amazes me..or evolution?
I consider myself a man of faith...but I can acknowledge data that supports that the earth, the sun, etc.have cycles...and had them long before my big chevy 3500 was chugging around.. I just can't give myself enough credit for causing the end of the planet as we know it..yes, I've worked and traveled in China and other grand cities and been startled by the smog.
and I can understand some indicators that might lead to folks thinking evolution vs adaptation..but I'm comfortable with the concept of a God who has created and put things in to motion..not just plopped a giraffe down permanently.
I'm also comfy that my God created the "rules" that can cause electrons to orbit neutrons..or whatever fundamentals of subatomics that allowed and supported the wonderful variety of life...whether it evolves or adapts or both..doesn't discount my God...the more science we learn the more we simply can appreciate how immense our God is...more than just the Sunday school stories men have used to try and explain what they could see at the time.
but here's a question I'd like to ask this group of broad opinions...could a Firefly series (anti-Fed) or a Boston Legal series be made and aired today under the current "liberal/progressive" leadership..not just the prez, but the huge upswell of indignant folks who seem to have no tolerance for disagreement? when I go back and watch shows like Boston Legal..which often covered topics in a way that I didn't agree with, and often did...I have to smile when I see how completely appropriate the shows would still be under the current leadership in our country...close mindedness, financial misconduct, sexual hypocrisy...bottom line I'm surprised that on a site of folks that "get" Firefly..that we are this far apart..fighting over dumb stuff..."use up all the air !"

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:19 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Storybook, I know I have offended your high holy religion of AGW, but guess what ?

I don't fucking care!

That's adorable. You call accepting science a "religion"... but think your fact-free, idealogically driven view is grounded rationality. Much like a toddler, you are.

But thank you for verifying, once again - that you cannot give one single solitary piece of evidence backing your claims.

That's okay, no one expected a coward like you to do any better. You don't fucking care about facts or evidence... yes, yes, we know that about you already.

AGW isn't science, it's bullshit. And it's believers are every bit the cultists that buy into religion,ergo, calling it a religion is valid.

The con game that is global warming, and AlGore is your high priest.

Much like the End Timers and Y2K nuts pointed to bogus reports that earthquakes were occurring more frequently, as foretold by the bible, the AGW nut jobs actually believe that storms are getting worse and happen more often as well.

They aren't.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

HERO

Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
AGW isn't science, it's bullshit. And it's believers are every bit the cultists that buy into religion,ergo, calling it a religion is valid.

The con game that is global warming, and AlGore is your high priest.

Don't get too far ahead of yourself.

Climate change is a legitimate science. The historical record, both recent and long term, show that over time the climate changes through natural cycles of warming and cooling. We need to study this in order to minimize or prepare for what can be dramatic effects.

On the other side, climate change is NOT the cause of every storm, draught, tornado, hurricane, flood, or wildfire as if the Earth were some vengefull god punishing us for our sin of industrial development.

We need to divorce politics from the science and that means allowing research into every side of this argument. We need to get out of the business of picking a winner before the research is done. We can't allow a hysteria to drive us onto a particular policy track that by shere coincidence or deliberate design happens to favor a social and economic outcome that was discreditied and discarded prior to this new scientific debate, especially when so many of those who failed to advocate their prior positions find themselves the driving force behind so much of this new research.

If you want climate change science to be taken seriously by the right, dvorce yourself from the money and political leadership of the left. Otherwise its alwayse going to look like your ultimate goal is to relitigate socialism.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:56 PM

I said AGW was bullshit, but that's not the same as acknowledging that the climate DOES change.

But this is what the Left do, hijack and distort words so that the real meaning gets lost in a maze of confusion and twisting of facts.

There were tropical plants where the poles are now. Glaciers once covered all of NYC. The climate of the planet does change, over stretches of time. Time so deep, so vast, that humans have a hard time of grasping it. Much like the concept of distances in the Cosmos. Space is really big, and time...

We, humans, all of us, live in the " now ". The Macarena is SOOO mid 90's, as if that's some ancient relic to times lost and forgotten. But to the earth, 200,000 years isn't even a wink of an eye. Humans weren't even around 3 million years ago, and yet we'd need to go back ANOTHER 63+ million years to get a glimpse of the last dinosaurs to rule the planet. ( They were around for 160 million years themselves, too. )

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall