The Hitler Conundrum

POSTED BY: RionaEire
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RIONAEIRE

Monday, March 4, 2013 5:05 AM

I appreciate the _reasonable responses here. There were _some. I can understand how this individual wouldn't like St. Patrick and would have feelings of anomocity to him. He was just way too melodramatic, I mean that is a statement that is waiting for a fight right there. I didn't give him one though, if that's how he feels I need to respect that as his experience and beliefs and feelings. But he's definitely a drama queen in my book, supported by the fact that I asked my friend (who is culturally Jewish and pagan in beliefs) what she thought of the incident. She said that she understood where he was coming from, but its in bad taste to compare anyone to Hitler, ever. That is what I figured she'd say, since she's a somewhat rational person. But since she's blunt and says whatever she thinks I knew she'd be honest with me.

Regarding Genghis Khan, I don't know what it is that I crush on, since he did some horrible things that I totally don't condone. There's just something. Like I said I'm more infatuated with his blood brother Jamuqa, but people don't know who that is, so Genghis will do. And no, reading his atrocities did not give me the crush on him.

At least Temujin is an equal oppertunity murderer/pillager, anyone would do, he didn't have a group of people that were his least favorite, beyond the expected tribe and clan rivalries that came with the poisoning of his father during his little boyhood etc.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

SIGNYM

Monday, March 4, 2013 7:47 AM

Riona, it sounds to me like he did exactly what he was hoping for... he got you to think about who you identify with in a new way. He was wiser and more effective than you give him credit for.

RIONAEIRE

Monday, March 4, 2013 8:09 AM

But guess who's still going to have a fabulous day anyway on March 17th? My cursory searches online for "St. Patrick" and "genocide" yielded mainly fringe websites, I'll look on wikipedia sometime and see what it says, but that's as far as it will go I reckon.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

BYTEMITE

Monday, March 4, 2013 2:32 PM

Wikipedia basically has a one line speculation about St. Patrick and the connection with the Druids. So it's not completely unheard of even on wikipedia, and some historians buy into it, but the interpretation still has a measure of uncertainty.

Unfortunately I'm not sure the Irish were really keeping records much prior to Christianity, they mostly taught history through folktales and such. So we'll probably never know.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 4, 2013 5:48 PM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Regarding Genghis Khan, I don't know what it is that I crush on, since he did some horrible things that I totally don't condone. There's just something. Like I said I'm more infatuated with his blood brother Jamuqa, but people don't know who that is, so Genghis will do. And no, reading his atrocities did not give me the crush on him.

Likely, it was his virility, or at least what was written about him in the history books.

There comes an apex of masculinity that only a chosen few achieve that women, particularly women predisposed to be strongly drawn to that type, can't look away from. Even though they are aware of the potentially horrible things he's done, they find it not-so-difficult to overlook those possible character flaws because they're left spellbound by what he has accomplished by sheer will (and also of the security and comfort life would bring to be by the side of such a man).

Also likely, there were "tomes" written about the atrocities of Genghis Khan that portrayed him at the time, much like we portray Hitler today. They're probably out there for anyone to peruse today, since hardly anybody reads anything and it doesn't matter, true or not.

Actually Riona, you're better off than a lot of folk....

Obviously, you're not defending Hitler, which I'm sure many women to this day still do in secret. You're also not defending GWB or Obama either, which I know for a fact that many Americans still do.

So.... you've got a "thing" for one of the potentially most evil men who has ever walked the earth???? (if we believe everything our history books taught us)....

I've probably been involved with at least five women in my life that would get under his skin and into his head and make him run for the hills. Have I looked evil in the eyes that has committed Genocide and fell in love? Not yet.... Are any one of those sinfully compelling women incapable of it? I can't deny it....

Who's to say that GK wasn't just a puppet for some "Cleopatra" of his time anyhow?

We can't even get a straight answer about what really happened in 1945.

I'm sure that the "Life and Times of GK" are wildly left up to interpretation....

Moral of the story here.... Druids... or at least your lame co-worker, really need to get a life.....

BYTEMITE

Monday, March 4, 2013 6:17 PM

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There comes an apex of masculinity that only a chosen few achieve that women, particularly women predisposed to be strongly drawn to that type, can't look away from. Even though they are aware of the potentially horrible things he's done, they find it not-so-difficult to overlook those possible character flaws because they're left spellbound by what he has accomplished by sheer will (and also of the security and comfort life would bring to be by the side of such a man).

Or the women aren't really in a position to say no.

I can see it now - their eyes meet across the burning thatch of collapsed houses, him tall on his pitch black horse, holding a bow nocked with an arrow aimed right between her eyes. She screams in terror. It must be love.

JONGSSTRAW

Monday, March 4, 2013 6:55 PM

Genghis Khan was a great 1965 movie with an impressive international cast.

Cast

Stephen Boyd ... Jamuga
Omar Sharif ... Temujin-Genghis Khan
James Mason ... Kam Ling
Eli Wallach ... The Shah of Khwarezm
* Françoise Dorléac ... Bortei
Telly Savalas ... Shan
Robert Morley ... The Emperor of China
Woody Strode ... Sengal

* Francoise Dorleac was the younger sister of Catherine Deneuve. She was on her way to having a big career in films, but she was killed in a car crash shortly after filming Genghis Khan. Catherine Deneuve went on to become a big movie star, and was named the most beautiful woman in world.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 4, 2013 7:56 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Or the women aren't really in a position to say no.

I can see it now - their eyes meet across the burning thatch of collapsed houses, him tall on his pitch black horse, holding a bow nocked with an arrow aimed right between her eyes. She screams in terror. It must be love.

To her own admission, Riona has a crush on the guy.

No flaming arrow to her head. In fact, he's been dead many a fortnight before this thread was created....

Don't be so quick to judge.....

If you knew the cold-hearted (and very alive) woman I was truly in love with, you'd think GK was a saint for being dead before he made Riona crush on him.....

BYTEMITE

Monday, March 4, 2013 8:20 PM

I wasn't judging her, she's explained to me why, and it really had nothing to do with feeling like she'd want to be "in his power" so to speak.

It's more about she approved of how he treated his family members and organized his empire after the raiding, which brought peace to quite a large swath of land. The guy was a dangerous marauder responsible for a lot of rape and war, but apparently even guys like that can have a nicer side.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, March 4, 2013 8:36 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I wasn't judging her, she's explained to me why, and it really had nothing to do with feeling like she'd want to be "in his power" so to speak.

It's more about she approved of how he treated his family members and organized his empire after the raiding, which brought peace to quite a large swath of land. The guy was a dangerous marauder responsible for a lot of rape and war, but apparently even guys like that can have a nicer side.

Did it really have nothing to do with that Byte? Did it not? Unless you're deep in her head and fantasies, you could never say one way or another.

Of course, any attraction had everything to do with all the "good" in him, as far as treating his family and empire. Not speaking at all for Riona here, but just saying that this is the mentality that any woman who stays with an abusive and/or alcoholic husband in this age and reasons to her friends after the 15th time she's pretended to be clumsy and fall down the stairs.

Many women would love to be as lucky as Riona is. To be free to crush on who she wants, when she wants..... to fufill a fantasy without any of the negative physicality Khan surely gave to his lovers, no long term commitment, no worry about exposing their children to any of it.

When she "comes back" to reality, it's still not to a boring and mundane life filled with a boring husband and boring kids and the monotony of it all.

I'm thinking that you are closer to knowing what I'm talking about than any other woman on the board, Byte.

As tight-lipped as you are, we may never even have the slightest peek inside of your head, but I can guaranty that it would be a fun ride.

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