Biden says a shotgun will scare off intruders

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PIRATENEWS

Friday, February 22, 2013 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

Boobytraps, even ones as simple as the old shotgun and string are all illegal.

Not if you shoot, shovel, STFU.

HERO

Friday, February 22, 2013 7:31 PM

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Originally posted by PIRATENEWS:
Not if you shoot, shovel, STFU.

Still illegal. The trap is illegal, but you would not get a murder charge. Likely Manslaughter and ten years. Unless you set the trap and somehow invited someone to set it off. In your scenario you can tack on a few more years for Obstruction of Justice and Abuse of Corpse.

Knowing you, we could probably up that to Gross Abuse of Corpse which is a felony.

If I were you I would not rely on getting away with such a thing. You need to play to your stengths and avoiding the attention of law enforcement is definately outside your zone. You already know we're watching...hell I keep the PirateNews channel on live feed in my office all the time and, just between us, you've got to give yourself a break with the..you know. You could go blind or get carpel tunnel or something. I'm saying it for your own good...if nothing else we at the International Conspiracy Against You (ICAU) care about your well being.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

GEEZER

Friday, February 22, 2013 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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you tell me whether a family should have a Civic or a minivan, I'll answer your question.

Gladly. For a regular suburban family with 2 kids a Civic would do very well. But a large family with 5 kids would likely find that a Civic was insufficient, and would better suit a minivan.

But the family I was speaking of has seven members, including Granny in a wheelchair, so neither a Civic or minivan would be suitable for them. They need a larger van with a wheelchair lift. See how undisclosed circumstances can make almost any answer wrong? But at least you tried, so...

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Now regarding home safety, and my question to you. Kindly give me an example of when shotguns/handguns would be insufficient for a typical family protecting their home.

Handguns are amazingly hard to hit anything with unless the user has considerable practice. I've seen folks trying to qualify as security guards completely and repeatedly miss lifesized silhouette targets at 15 feet. Even for experienced pistol users, anything outside 25 yards is difficult, especially in a stressful situation.

Shotguns generally have limited ammunition capacity, and also require practice - especially pump actions, which may get 'short-stroked' in stressful situations and not load a new round. They also have much more recoil than an intermediate power rifle, so are harder for women or teens to control.

Dispite Biden's claim that "You don't need an AR-15. It's harder to aim, it's harder to use..." a AR-15 type rifle is pretty instinctive to use. It provides a better sighting platform and is easier to hold on target. Lower recoil than a shotgun makes it easier to keep on target and reduces flinching. So a 'typical family' with limited time for practice could become accurate with it in a shorter period of time. And, as noted above, with the right ammunition selection, penetration of interior walls can be greatly reduced over that of either handgun or shotgun.

A rifle could suit almost any self-defense situation, and would probably be particularly suitable for a rural setting such as a farm or ranch, where one might expect to have people attacking from longer range, or over a longer period of time (hence more ammo capacity), since police response over distance would be slower.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

GEEZER

Friday, February 22, 2013 10:00 PM

BTW, at least someone gets it.

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Joe Biden's Shotgun Advice Could Land Jill Biden in Jail

Felony aggravated menacing, reckless endangering charges could result from shooting gun in air

By Steven Nelson
February 20, 2013 RSS Feed Print

Vice President Joe Biden might want to have a talk with his son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, before he makes another public statement about guns.

In a Facebook "chat" Tuesday, the vice president said that he had advised his wife, Jill, to fire a shotgun in the air from their Delaware home's porch if she was concerned for her safety.

"I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,'" Biden said.

"You don't need an AR-15—it's harder to aim," he added, "it's harder to use, and in fact you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"

However, Delaware law would likely make his suggestion illegal—unless the shots were fired in self-defense in a truly life-threatening situation.

A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.

The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. "On your property you can't just shoot someone," he said. "You have to really feel that your life is being threatened."

Defense attorney John Garey—a former Delaware deputy attorney general—agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband's advice.

"In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force," Garey said. "There's nothing based on his scenario alone" indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.

Garey said that under Biden's scenario, Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree.

"You cannot use deadly force to protect property" in Delaware, added Garey.

"It is not uncommon" for people to be charged with crimes under similar circumstances, he said. "I've seen cases where lawful citizens have used guns outside their homes and they end up arrested."

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/20/joe-biden-shotgun-advic
e-could-land-jill-biden-in-jail

Also here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/joe-biden-shotgun_n_2735779.h
tml?utm_hp_ref=politics

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

KWICKO

Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

See? That's why I'm putting all my spare money into booby traps and truck bombs. I never want to be in a situation to think "Gee, if only I'd have lined the entryway with Claymores!"

I'll be installing a Minuteman missile silo in the back yard, too. Y'know, just in case of... tyranny!

And yes, you really do sound that stupid, "Hero".
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Boobytraps, even ones as simple as the old shotgun and string are all illegal.

The Second Amendment says nothing about that. How can they be illegal?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

KPO

Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:44 PM

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But the family I was speaking of has seven members, including Granny in a wheelchair, so neither a Civic or minivan would be suitable for them. They need a larger van with a wheelchair lift. See how undisclosed circumstances can make almost any answer wrong?

Perhaps you didn't understand but I was asking you to create the circumstances yourself. Any circumstances where a homeowner would be significantly disadvantaged if they didn't have the option of a gun like the AR-15 to protect themselves in their home.

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A rifle could suit almost any self-defense situation, and would probably be particularly suitable for a rural setting such as a farm or ranch, where one might expect to have people attacking from longer range,

I think here we really come down to it - where guns like the AR-15 really come into their own: outside. Forget about Biden's tactical advice for a second. The argument that a shotgun is sufficient (and indeed well-suited) to protect yourself inside your home is, it seems to me, a sound one.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KPO

Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:46 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
BTW, at least someone gets it.

Quote:
Joe Biden's Shotgun Advice Could Land Jill Biden in Jail

Felony aggravated menacing, reckless endangering charges could result from shooting gun in air

By Steven Nelson
February 20, 2013 RSS Feed Print

Vice President Joe Biden might want to have a talk with his son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, before he makes another public statement about guns.

In a Facebook "chat" Tuesday, the vice president said that he had advised his wife, Jill, to fire a shotgun in the air from their Delaware home's porch if she was concerned for her safety.

"I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,'" Biden said.

"You don't need an AR-15—it's harder to aim," he added, "it's harder to use, and in fact you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"

However, Delaware law would likely make his suggestion illegal—unless the shots were fired in self-defense in a truly life-threatening situation.

A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.

The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. "On your property you can't just shoot someone," he said. "You have to really feel that your life is being threatened."

Defense attorney John Garey—a former Delaware deputy attorney general—agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband's advice.

"In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force," Garey said. "There's nothing based on his scenario alone" indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.

Garey said that under Biden's scenario, Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree.

"You cannot use deadly force to protect property" in Delaware, added Garey.

"It is not uncommon" for people to be charged with crimes under similar circumstances, he said. "I've seen cases where lawful citizens have used guns outside their homes and they end up arrested."

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/20/joe-biden-shotgun-advic
e-could-land-jill-biden-in-jail

Also here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/joe-biden-shotgun_n_2735779.h
tml?utm_hp_ref=politics

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

This article seems to equate firing 'in the air' with using 'deadly force'. Seems like a strange conflation to me.

It's not personal. It's just war.

GEEZER

Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:30 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
I think here we really come down to it - where guns like the AR-15 really come into their own: outside. Forget about Biden's tactical advice for a second. The argument that a shotgun is sufficient (and indeed well-suited) to protect yourself inside your home is, it seems to me, a sound one.

This despite the drawbacks of a shotgun in recoil, limited ammunition capacity, possibility of failure in a stress situation, and overpenetration of interior walls?

If I didn't know better, I'd suspect that you're trying to suggest that since no one 'really' needs an AR-15 type weapon for self-defense, because a shotgun - in your opinion as final arbiter of what's suitable - is sufficient, it's perfectly reasonable for the government to restrict sale or ownership of them.

But different people are more comfortable with different weapons - people with different physical abilities, and different amounts of time to practice. One size, or one weapon, does not fit all. Saying the shotgun is always the solution is like saying every family only needs a Civic.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

GEEZER

Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:40 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
This article seems to equate firing 'in the air' with using 'deadly force'. Seems like a strange conflation to me.

"Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house."

In the air? Biden doesn't say that.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

HERO

Sunday, February 24, 2013 2:45 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The Second Amendment says nothing about that. How can they be illegal?
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There's case law on the subject.

Technically you can set all the traps you want, but if anyone is injured or killed your criminally and civilly libel.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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