Biden says a shotgun will scare off intruders
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UPDATED: Thursday, May 7, 2026 16:24
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Even Hero is disputing Geezer. Priceless.
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Originally posted by GEEZER:
Yep. 00 buckshot is lethal out to about 100 yds as opposed to a .223 which is good to maybe 600.
The effective range is about 25 yards. Its still lethal to 100, but the odds of hitting a target are greatly diminished and the odds of a kill are very small since your shot pattern is about eight feet.
One pellet is not going to kill you. It can...but then again you could also be hit by an meteor and a lightning strike at exactly the same time.
Also, if the shot hits siding, windows, etc its either going to stop or be slowed so much its no longer lethal.
H
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Storybook, you go ahead and stand down range from a shot gun blast, and then tell us whether it was " lethal " or " effective ". And be sure to go into great detail how much it was one or t'other.
I believe both Hero and Geezer said the same thing. Pay attention.
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LOL! Yes... Hero saying it's as likely to happen as being hit by a meteor is totally the same thing! Again with the reading skills, boy.
I think you just made my point. Thank you!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sure Storybook. Just ignore the fact that DEMOCRATS gave us a meaningless, useless gun ban, back in the 90's, and also ignore the fact that it's DEMOCRATS , in the state of WA, who want to enter into the homes of honest American citizens and " check " to see if guns are being stored properly, safely.
Safely by whose standards ? And what BUSINESS is it of the got to check up on law abiding citizens in the first place like that , with forced entry into their homes, under penalty of a year in prison?
Care to dance around that issue ?
Was this in response to something in particular, or just more ranting? You're language skills are so poor (what business is it of got, indeed??), its impossible to tell.
Yes, it was , simpleton. It was in response to your NON response of my prior post.
Your reply - Thank you for that bit of wisdom, Captain Obvious.
Note, that's why I used the word "playing" genius.
You skipped right over the substance of my post, which seems to be a common theme for certain folks on this board.
That means you, in case you missed it.
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Son, one must have substance before it is skipped. And you are, as always, severely lacking.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Son, one must have substance before it is skipped. And you are, as always, severely lacking.
... says the one who clearly isn't burdened with an overabundance of schoolin'.
Might be better for you to just admit you're in over your head here, than to keep faking it.
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Originally posted by kpo:
Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?
It depends on what you are defending against.
Guns are like other tools. You want to knock a tiny hole in your wall, you use a hammer and nail. But if your project involves tearing the wall out...then using the hammer and nail isn't going to get it done quick enough or in an effective way.
The best approach to home defense is a balanced approach. In confined spaces at short range against one or two attackers...NOTHING beats a shotgun. The downside is limited range and limited ammunition capacity. A good example is Walking Tall starring The Rock. In two scenes we see the advantage and disadvantage of shotguns. At the house his dad kills a dude at close range with a shotgun. At the police station The Rock is armed with a shotgun and completely unable to defend the station against an attack with an assault weapon.
My solution is this. I have a small handgun for concealed carry, a shotgun and larger 9mm semi-auto (15rd clip) for home defense, a .357 Magnum revolver cause it belonged to my dad and also because its damned reliable and will pretty much knock down anybody, and lastly I'm getting a Sig M400 as my JIC (Just in Case) weapon.
So while you may not forsee a need an assault weapon for everyday home defense, you NEVER want to be in a situation where your thinking, 'I REALLY need an assault rifle right now...I wish I had one'. Cause that would be bad.
H
Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012
See? That's why I'm putting all my spare money into booby traps and truck bombs. I never want to be in a situation to think "Gee, if only I'd have lined the entryway with Claymores!"
I'll be installing a Minuteman missile silo in the back yard, too. Y'know, just in case of... tyranny!
And yes, you really do sound that stupid, "Hero".
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Originally posted by GEEZER:
Yep. 00 buckshot is lethal out to about 100 yds as opposed to a .223 which is good to maybe 600.
The effective range is about 25 yards. Its still lethal to 100, but the odds of hitting a target are greatly diminished and the odds of a kill are very small since your shot pattern is about eight feet.
Accuracy isn't much of an issue if you're firing off warning shots at random. And if you nail a neighbor, or a neighbor's house, or a neighbor's car, or a neighbor's pet, with one 54 grain pellet of that load you fired at random, you're still in trouble whether you kill someone or not.
Once again, the point is that firing anything off into the neighborhood as a warning shot isn't a good idea at all.
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In many cases, a short, easy to handle, moderately powerful semi-automatic rifle can be useful for home defense
'Can be useful.' Hmm. A more interesting question is, would you, as a knowledgeable gun-owner, in good conscience, advise a typical family concerned about home safety that a combination of shotguns/handguns really would not be enough to protect themselves in their home?
Depends on the circumstances. Depends on where the home is. Depends on who is doing the shooting and their skill level with each type of weapon.
Would you recommend that a family get a Civic or a minivan? Depends on their circumstances.
Under no circumstance would I advise anyone to fire off any gun at random in hopes of scaring off an intruder.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yes, firing a shotgun - even one with buckshot - into the air is preferable to firing a weapon that will penetrate your exterior walls on its way to penetrating your neighbor's exterior walls. I've explained this to you more than once, and you seem to still be too stupid to fathom it.
Perhaps because it's not true?
Interesting test of various .223, pistol, and shotgun loads against drywall here. http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html Seems that most .223 tends to fragment after one or two walls of drywall, whereas handgun ammo above .380 and 00 buck generally cruise through three with no trouble.
Here's another interesting test against a mockup exterior wall..."This piece of wall was sheeted with ½" wafer board, covered with a 2nd piece of ½" wafer board to simulate siding. This wall was built using a 2x4 frame and finished on the inside with ½" sheet rock. The interior [of the wall] was lined with fiberglass insulation."
http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&a
mp;id=15%3A223-penetration-testing&catid=13%3Atechnical-info&Itemid=26
Both .40S&W and a 12 gauge slug had much more penetrating power than a .223 round.
It really is funny to watch you just make stuff up, or parrot the "high-powered assault weapons" crap in your attempt to cover up the fact that Biden's advice to fire a shotgun off the balcony at nothing in particular is dangerous to innocent bystanders, probably illegal in most jurisdictions, and pretty stupid tactically. Gotta protect your idol, I guess.
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