Biden says a shotgun will scare off intruders
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UPDATED: Thursday, May 7, 2026 16:24
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Originally posted by Hero:
Shotguns have a short effective range.
Yep. 00 buckshot is lethal out to about 100 yds as opposed to a .223 which is good to maybe 600.
However, in my neighborhood, there's probably 12 or 15 houses within 100 yds of my house. There are people in those houses and in cars and in yards and on sidewalks. So two rounds of 00 buck fired off into the night is still a lot of dangerous lead flying around the neighborhood.
The point being - if a shotgun, or an AR-15, is used in the dangerous manner V.P. Biden suggests, it puts more folks at risk than aimed fire at an intruder from an AR-15, or a shotgun.
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Sure Storybook. Just ignore the fact that DEMOCRATS gave us a meaningless, useless gun ban, back in the 90's, and also ignore the fact that it's DEMOCRATS , in the state of WA, who want to enter into the homes of honest American citizens and " check " to see if guns are being stored properly, safely.
Safely by whose standards ? And what BUSINESS is it of the got to check up on law abiding citizens in the first place like that , with forced entry into their homes, under penalty of a year in prison?
Care to dance around that issue ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Come now, we all now that paralleling concepts (like analogies and metaphors, and well, most rhetorical devices used in discussion) hurts poor rappys head. It always sets off a little tantrum.
No, it just shows how some can't deal w/ the actual issues, and instead must fall back on ( in their mind ) a tried and true whipping post, of the Iraq War. This has zero to do w/ that issue, and to try to draw irrelevant, false analogies to it gets us no where.
Deal w/ the facts on THIS issue, and try not to get stuck on stupid. If ya can.
PS - Oh, and storybook - Geezer completely nailed it in his response to kpo's post. For some reason, it pissed you off so much , as you know it was dead on, that you cowardly took to insulting him and his service.
Bravo Geezer.
( And no, one doesn't need to be a mind reader to figure out your petty widdle mind, Storybook )
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Your AR-15 tends to shoot THROUGH people with that .223 round, which is entirely what it was designed to do, since a grievously injured enemy is much more desirable for a war weapon than a dead enemy.
For someone who claims to have been in the military, you know fuck-all about tactics or weapons.
If I had an AR-15 I was using for home defense, it would be loaded with frangible ammuntion, which doesn't overpenetrate. Ever hear of it? Did you even realize that you don't have to shoot ball ammo out of a rifle?
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Originally posted by GEEZER:Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Shotguns have a short effective range.
Yep. 00 buckshot is lethal out to about 100 yds
Says, just you, basically. All the sources I find list an effective range of 30-40 yards, if not less.
But please, keep lecturing others about gun safety while getting everything wrong. As per usual.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
PS - Oh, and storybook - Geezer completely nailed it in his response to kpo's post. For some reason, it pissed you off so much , as you know it was dead on, that you cowardly took to insulting him and his service.
Bravo Geezer.
Only those as dumb-fuck moronic as the two of you would consider completely avoiding the question to be "nailing" it.
And once again, you mistake laughing at you for being pissed. You never cease to amuse.
And Im not insulting his service - Im flat out saying I think he's lying about it.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sure Storybook. Just ignore the fact that DEMOCRATS gave us a meaningless, useless gun ban, back in the 90's, and also ignore the fact that it's DEMOCRATS , in the state of WA, who want to enter into the homes of honest American citizens and " check " to see if guns are being stored properly, safely.
Safely by whose standards ? And what BUSINESS is it of the got to check up on law abiding citizens in the first place like that , with forced entry into their homes, under penalty of a year in prison?
Care to dance around that issue ?
Was this in response to something in particular, or just more ranting? You're language skills are so poor (what business is it of got, indeed??), its impossible to tell.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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Originally posted by GEEZER:Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?
Are Corvettes essential to drive to work?
Are Porterhouse steaks essential to eating?
Are Rolexes essential for knowing what time it is?
Very few things are absolutely 'essential'. Do you want to do without all the things that aren't?
But Biden was responding to the question that removing 'military-style assault weapons' from citizens would make them more vulnerable, and hence that these guns are essential (or at least important) to citizens protecting themselves. But you don't seem to see these weapons that way; perhaps you even agree with Biden that citizens can adequately protect their homes with just shotguns and handguns?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by GEEZER:
Yep. 00 buckshot is lethal out to about 100 yds as opposed to a .223 which is good to maybe 600.
The effective range is about 25 yards. Its still lethal to 100, but the odds of hitting a target are greatly diminished and the odds of a kill are very small since your shot pattern is about eight feet.
One pellet is not going to kill you. It can...but then again you could also be hit by an meteor and a lightning strike at exactly the same time.
Also, if the shot hits siding, windows, etc its either going to stop or be slowed so much its no longer lethal.
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In many cases, a short, easy to handle, moderately powerful semi-automatic rifle can be useful for home defense
'Can be useful.' Hmm. A more interesting question is, would you, as a knowledgeable gun-owner, in good conscience, advise a typical family concerned about home safety that a combination of shotguns/handguns really would not be enough to protect themselves in their home?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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