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Biden says a shotgun will scare off intruders

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HERO

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:31 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?

It depends on what you are defending against.

Guns are like other tools. You want to knock a tiny hole in your wall, you use a hammer and nail. But if your project involves tearing the wall out...then using the hammer and nail isn't going to get it done quick enough or in an effective way.

The best approach to home defense is a balanced approach. In confined spaces at short range against one or two attackers...NOTHING beats a shotgun. The downside is limited range and limited ammunition capacity. A good example is Walking Tall starring The Rock. In two scenes we see the advantage and disadvantage of shotguns. At the house his dad kills a dude at close range with a shotgun. At the police station The Rock is armed with a shotgun and completely unable to defend the station against an attack with an assault weapon.

My solution is this. I have a small handgun for concealed carry, a shotgun and larger 9mm semi-auto (15rd clip) for home defense, a .357 Magnum revolver cause it belonged to my dad and also because its damned reliable and will pretty much knock down anybody, and lastly I'm getting a Sig M400 as my JIC (Just in Case) weapon.

So while you may not forsee a need an assault weapon for everyday home defense, you NEVER want to be in a situation where your thinking, 'I REALLY need an assault rifle right now...I wish I had one'. Cause that would be bad.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:37 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Oh, look, he's playing psychic again. Adorable.

There are no such things as real psychics. It's called not being fooled by who Democrats are, and what they do.

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GEEZER

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:46 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?

Are Corvettes essential to drive to work?

Are Porterhouse steaks essential to eating?

Are Rolexes essential for knowing what time it is?

Very few things are absolutely 'essential'. Do you want to do without all the things that aren't?

In many cases, a short, easy to handle, moderately powerful semi-automatic rifle can be useful for home defense and other sorts of self-defense. That's why police and folks like the Secret Service carry them to protect folks like Joe Biden. You think Joe will ask the Secret Service to replace them with double barreled shotguns?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:56 PM

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Originally posted by GEEZER:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Certainly it's safer than using an AR-15 with metal-jacketed rounds to try to "defend" your home in an urban environment.

Hmm. So in your mind firing a couple of rounds of 00 buckshot - 30 pellets with about the same weight (ETA) each as an individual .223 round - at random into the night as a first response in the hope of scaring off an intruder is safer for your family and neighbors than firing .223 rounds at an identified target, or asking the intruder to leave rather than get shot.

Please never come around me with a gun, Mike. Your concept of gun safety is suspect, to say the least.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

And I'll thank you never to come around me with a gun, either, you old fool. Your AR-15 tends to shoot THROUGH people with that .223 round, which is entirely what it was designed to do, since a grievously injured enemy is much more desirable for a war weapon than a dead enemy.

For someone who claims to have been in the military, you know fuck-all about tactics or weapons.

Yes, firing a shotgun - even one with buckshot - into the air is preferable to firing a weapon that will penetrate your exterior walls on its way to penetrating your neighbor's exterior walls. I've explained this to you more than once, and you seem to still be too stupid to fathom it. I expect this kind of idiocy from Rappy or "Hero", who claim to have zero knowledge of guns, weaponry, or tactics, but I had hoped you were smarter than they are. Clearly I was mistaken in that hope.

When you fire a shotgun into the air, you have created a small storm of smaller-than-pea-sized "hail" that will rain harmlessly down. Can you please show me any verified accounts of any innocent bystanders being killed by errant shotgun pellets raining down on them from above after such a gun has been fired into the air? I'll wait.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:01 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
So, yeah, I find that a whole lot better than an assualt rifle that could punch through the walls of a house a few blocks away.

That is a very good point. The rules for shooting in self defense begin with 'hit what you are shooting at' and end with 'don't hit anything else'.

I prosecuted a road rage case where a plumber felt he was cut off by another driver. He follwed him for a bit and both got stuck at a long red light. Plumber gets out of his van confronts the other driver and then returns to his van and then turns around and charges the other car with a large pipe. The driver of the other car saw the man screaming obsenities and coming at him with a pipe and he pulls his Colt 1911 handgun (he had a licensed gun and CCW permit) and fires two rounds over his shoulder at point blank range. He misses both times (so close plumber had powder burns on his arm). The rounds strike a vehicle passing by in the other lane headed the opposite direction (boy was that lady surprised and upset).

Good news was nobody hurt. I charged the plumber with Agg Assault, a felony. I charged shooter with Discharge In City Limits, a misdemeanor, (and could have charged with Improper Handling of a Firearm in a Motor Vehicle, a felony) and Criminal Damaging (for the bullet holes).

The moral of the story is this. He shoots plumber and kills him...its self defense, we give him a medal, parade, etc. He misses, we charge him with a crime and self defense does not absolve him of injury he recklessly or negligently causes others...he kills the passing motorist...Negligent Homicide is a crime in Ohio.

Also, he kills the passing motorist, plumber gets the Felony Murder charge. So I guess the other moral is...'pipe down'?

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

He should have had a Barrett 25mm semi-auto for "self defense", then. That way he could have shot through the plumber, through the plumber's van, through the motorist behind him, through their car, and through the car behind her.

And you'd have called it "self defense... give him a medal, a parade, etc."

That is exactly what you're proposing when you say you want assault rifles for "home protection".

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

KWICKO

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:04 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Certainly it's safer than using an AR-15 with metal-jacketed rounds to try to "defend" your home in an urban environment.

Who the hell is Biden to tell American citizens what they do or don't NEED ?

Isn't that kinda up for them to decide ?

And who the hell do you think America is to tell Iraqis what they do or don't NEED, or to tell Iran what weapons it does or doesn't NEED?

If you say that we have that right because of the damage their weapons might do to others, then welcome to the real discussion. Your right to defend yourself ends at your property line, and it ends with weapons that will create a threat to your neighbors.

Your "freedom" to swing your fist ends at my nose.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

And who the hell do you think America is to tell Iraqis what they do or don't NEED, or to tell Iran what weapons it does or doesn't NEED?

Completely non - responsive to the issue being discussed.

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If you say that we have that right because of the damage their weapons might do to others, then welcome to the real discussion. Your right to defend yourself ends at your property line, and it ends with weapons that will create a threat to your neighbors.

Your "freedom" to swing your fist ends at my nose.

More of the same, I see.

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:11 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Storymark:

Oh, look, he's playing psychic again. Adorable.

There are no such things as real psychics.

Thank you for that bit of wisdom, Captain Obvious.

Note, that's why I used the word "playing" genius.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:12 PM

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Originally posted by GEEZER:
Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?

Are Corvettes essential to drive to work?

Are Porterhouse steaks essential to eating?

Are Rolexes essential for knowing what time it is?

Very few things are absolutely 'essential'. Do you want to do without all the things that aren't?

In many cases, a short, easy to handle, moderately powerful semi-automatic rifle can be useful for home defense and other sorts of self-defense. That's why police and folks like the Secret Service carry them to protect folks like Joe Biden. You think Joe will ask the Secret Service to replace them with double barreled shotguns?

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

Nice dodge.

Dumb and cowardly.

You really should change your avatar - as you continually disgrace the uniform.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

STORYMARK

Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:19 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Certainly it's safer than using an AR-15 with metal-jacketed rounds to try to "defend" your home in an urban environment.

Who the hell is Biden to tell American citizens what they do or don't NEED ?

Isn't that kinda up for them to decide ?

And who the hell do you think America is to tell Iraqis what they do or don't NEED, or to tell Iran what weapons it does or doesn't NEED?

If you say that we have that right because of the damage their weapons might do to others, then welcome to the real discussion. Your right to defend yourself ends at your property line, and it ends with weapons that will create a threat to your neighbors.

Your "freedom" to swing your fist ends at my nose.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

Come now, we all now that paralleling concepts (like analogies and metaphors, and well, most rhetorical devices used in discussion) hurts poor rappys head. It always sets off a little tantrum.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"