Biden says a shotgun will scare off intruders
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Who the hell is Biden to tell American citizens what they do or don't NEED ?
'American citizens' asked him the question... When will you start reading the relevant information in threads?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by Storymark:
So, yeah, I find that a whole lot better than an assualt rifle that could punch through the walls of a house a few blocks away.
That is a very good point. The rules for shooting in self defense begin with 'hit what you are shooting at' and end with 'don't hit anything else'.
I prosecuted a road rage case where a plumber felt he was cut off by another driver. He follwed him for a bit and both got stuck at a long red light. Plumber gets out of his van confronts the other driver and then returns to his van and then turns around and charges the other car with a large pipe. The driver of the other car saw the man screaming obsenities and coming at him with a pipe and he pulls his Colt 1911 handgun (he had a licensed gun and CCW permit) and fires two rounds over his shoulder at point blank range. He misses both times (so close plumber had powder burns on his arm). The rounds strike a vehicle passing by in the other lane headed the opposite direction (boy was that lady surprised and upset).
Good news was nobody hurt. I charged the plumber with Agg Assault, a felony. I charged shooter with Discharge In City Limits, a misdemeanor, (and could have charged with Improper Handling of a Firearm in a Motor Vehicle, a felony) and Criminal Damaging (for the bullet holes).
The moral of the story is this. He shoots plumber and kills him...its self defense, we give him a medal, parade, etc. He misses, we charge him with a crime and self defense does not absolve him of injury he recklessly or negligently causes others...he kills the passing motorist...Negligent Homicide is a crime in Ohio.
Also, he kills the passing motorist, plumber gets the Felony Murder charge. So I guess the other moral is...'pipe down'?
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Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Who the hell is Biden to tell American citizens what they do or don't NEED ?
'American citizens' asked him the question... When will you start reading the relevant information in threads?
It's not personal. It's just war.
I don't have to, knowing full well this VP and this administration want nothing less than to take guns away from the citizens, and it starts w/ this phony ban on " assault " rifles.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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For Biden -
How about that being up to the people, and not the govt, to decide ?
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
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Originally posted by GEEZER:
Hmm. So in your mind firing a couple of rounds of 00 buckshot - 30 pellets with about the same weight (ETA) each as an individual .223 round - at random into the night as a first response in the hope of scaring off an intruder is safer for your family and neighbors than firing .223 rounds at an identified target, or asking the intruder to leave rather than get shot.
I'm pretty sure your off on your weight, but you are definately off on velocity, shape, and composition of the bullets.
Shotguns have a short effective range. Buckshot rounds will no penetrate windows or siding and if they do they'll have spent their energy and likely cause no further damage.
.223 rounds are designed to penetrate and keep going. The range is long, the velocity higher, and they can penetrate walls, siding, glass, etc (and often multiple layers) and still keep going with a lethal amount of energy.
Imagine a cannon. Grapeshot was like a shotgun blast, effective at short range only against attacking infantry, but useless in a long range artillery duel. At long range they'd switch to rifled, solid shot. Then somebody got the idea of shaping bullets into something other then round balls and making them from things other then lead....and things got ugly very quickly.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Certainly it's safer than using an AR-15 with metal-jacketed rounds to try to "defend" your home in an urban environment.
Hmm. So in your mind firing a couple of rounds of 00 buckshot - 30 pellets with about the same weight (ETA) each as an individual .223 round - at random into the night as a first response in the hope of scaring off an intruder is safer for your family and neighbors than firing .223 rounds at an identified target, or asking the intruder to leave rather than get shot.
Please never come around me with a gun, Mike. Your concept of gun safety is suspect, to say the least.
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Cute how you deliberately ignore the difference in velocity and force impact between the two.
Your concept of physics (and honesty) is suspect, to say the least.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Who the hell is Biden to tell American citizens what they do or don't NEED ?
'American citizens' asked him the question... When will you start reading the relevant information in threads?
It's not personal. It's just war.
I don't have to, knowing full well this VP and this administration want nothing less than to take guns away from the citizens, and it starts w/ this phony ban on " assault " rifles.
Oh, look, he's playing psychic again. Adorable.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?
It's not personal. It's just war.
How about that being up to the people, and not the govt, to decide ?
Once again, reading skills, son. He asked Geezer his opinion, not the Government.
I know, they both start with G, and when your reading comprehension skills are so (very, very) low, that can be confusing. But they are different entities, honest.
Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.
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"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by kpo:
Tactical quibbles aside Geezer, do you maintain that 'military-style assault weapons' are essential to home defence?
It's not personal. It's just war.
How about that being up to the people, and not the govt, to decide ?
How about Geezer and I discussing it, since neither of us are in government?
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Oh I see Story covered it.
LOL, perhaps you want to rephrase this AU:
"...this VP and this administration want nothing less than to take guns away from the citizens..."
I can't quote you in the predictions thread when you say the opposite of what you mean.
It's not personal. It's just war.
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