Sandy Hook 'truthers' harass Newtown man, conspiracy theories go viral
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UPDATED: Sunday, August 25, 2024 14:37
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Crazy 20 year old kills 20 kindergarteners and 6 adults and we're ruling out things he might have done because they make "no sense?"
Good point. On the other hand, crazy doesn't mean stupid, as Nick pointed out.
I was going to ask what about the discrepancy between him supposedly having left the gun in the back seat of his mother's car, and some kind of gun being taken out of the trunk, but thank you, Nick, for clearing THAT one up.
Thank you, Arlo, for the "definition" of nut jobs. PN to a T! That's a keeper.
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QFE
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
The M.E. would not determine the specific gun used. That would be ballistics experts.
Bushmaster is a Firearms company. They make an AR-15. Regardless of who makes it, it is still an AR-15.
Rap? Questions answered. Rap? Are you in ignore mode again?
sincerely, 1933
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Dr. Martin Luther King assassinated by US govt: King Family civil trial verdict
http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-martin-luther-king-assassinated-by-
us-govt-king-family-civil-trial-verdict
House Assassinations Committee in Congress officially reported that JFK and MLK were murdered by 'conspiracy' with 2 shooters in Dealey Plaza
http://www.google.com/search?q=house+assassination+committee+fauntroy+
conspiracy
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"Information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic audience. Psyops messages will often be replayed by the news media for much larger audiences, including the American public. Strategy should be based on the premise that the Department of Defense will 'fight the net' as it would an enemy weapons system."
-U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld Kosher Knight of the Brtitish Empire, Information Operations Roadmap, SECRET/NOFORN, 30 Oct 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm
"There's going to be a Marxist revolution in Amerika. We need to be organized and grow the movement."
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, member of the Young Marxist Club at Occidental College
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html
"If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us."
-President George HW Bush Knight of the British Empire, CIA agent in Dealey Plaza when JFK was shot
"Half of writing history is hiding the Truth."
-Capt Malcolm Reynolds
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"... as did the admittedly suspicious timing of it after an earlier mass shooting attempt FAILED, due to said "Assault Rifle" malfunctioning, an armed civvie present, and a security response that for once did the job completely right."
Care to name names?
"Anyhows, the endless barrage of lies is in fact the source of these things ..."
Yanno, even when someone like Matt Taibbi or Yanis Varoufakis expose the facts about particular events/ issues, people don't care to know.
There have been many studies, one reported most recently, that the facts have very little to do with beliefs. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130124092300.htm False Beliefs Persist, Even After Instant Online Corrections
Whacko crazy groups with whacko crazy ideas persist b/c they support a set of assumptions/ beliefs that people are loathe to give up (aside from organically schizophrenic people).
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Oh goody! Another PN scroll fest!
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"But that The Powers That Be are CAPABLE of such atrocities ?
Oh hell yes."
But only b/c we let them.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Whacko crazy groups with whacko crazy ideas persist b/c they support a set of assumptions/ beliefs that people are loathe to give up (aside from organically schizophrenic people).
You mean like how folks think 'assault rifles' are so dangerous when you're much more likely to be murdered with knives, hands and feet, or blunt objects?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/faceboo
k-posts/facebook-post-says-more-people-were-murdered-knive/
"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."
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Care to name names?
On Tuesday December 11 2012, circa 3pm PST at the Clackamas Town Center, a mall in Portland Oregon, one Jacob Tyler Roberts, age 22 - entered the place with a semi automatic AR15, load bearing vest and several spare magazines.
He got off several shots, killing Steven Mathew Forsyth, age 45, and Cindy Ann Yuille, age 54, and wounding Kristina Shevchenko, age 15.
The weapon then jammed, and he was confronted at this time by CCW holder Nick Meli, age 22, who drew his weapon but did not fire because he didn't have a clear shot, causing Roberts to flee down a corrider and then shortly end himself with a self-inflicted gunshot.
The Clackamas Town Center security had a proper drill in place and executed it quite well, moving in immediately and securing sections while evacuating people, which itself would have made things much more difficult for an active shooter, as opposed to the usual policy of corralling the victims and bunkering down as the slaughter proceeds unhindered.
They deserve some hefty credit for that, even if it was not an immediate factor.
As does Nick Meli, who made the proper call instead of just blazing away, as those in favor of pre-emptively punishing CCW holders insist would never happen.
Anyhows, that the Newtown tragedy came right on the heels of this did provoke some suspicion, especially in combination with the "known" factor of both the ATF and FBI all but creating plots out of thin air for their own reasons, it's not a great leap of logic for some to suspect that they keep a couple under wraps to go "live" when they need public outrage to advance their agendas.
In this case I do not believe that, although I do feel there may have been some copycatting aspect involved in large part due to the endless media circus these things provoke.
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"But that The Powers That Be are CAPABLE of such atrocities ?
Oh hell yes."
But only b/c we let them.
And I am all for putting a STOP to that, myself - worth remembering I was at one time more or less on their payroll, and the break with them came in regards to being asked how willing I was to participate in such atrocities, first via the now-infamous Twentynine Palms survey and later via unwillingness to back the friggin Contras.
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd/29palms-mcmanus.htm
They like to pretend that was an isolated incident, but I can tell you for a fact it wasn't - in summer 1988 at the US Army Quartermaster School in Ft Lee, VA, I was handed a very similar survey by my Sergeant and instructed to fill out and return it - I was kind of offended about it, and when I came to the question about whether I'd fire on americans who refused to hand over their weapons I crossed it out with a big X and wrote in the margin that if given this order I would then immediately arrest and detain the officer in question, removing him from command and rendering him to the civil authorities for trial at the first opportunity, in accordance with the UCMJ (military justice code).
That evening the Sergeant returned with the commanding officer of the unit in tow and they very bluntly informed me that any hope of a military career for me was absolutely over and that I would never, ever be promoted again - followed by offering a straight up no consequences immediate discharge, just pack my shit and walk away, without question or penalty.
Having at the time nowhere left to go, and a burning hatred for all humanity I desperately wanted to drown in blood (which Lindyear took advantage of, later), I told them where to stick it, but that threat of no promotion ever was no empty one, I remained a mere E-3 right up till I *did* tell them to jam it and walked.
And of course affiliation with Lindyear and that whole mess put me square in the grapevine for some of the nastier stuff which goes on within our forces.
Now the fact of the above, that's ironclad, personally witnessed, as for the rest though...
What I *heard* and somewhat suspected, that the
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"But given the things that HAVE been done, that ARE being done, it bothers me that so many peoples default reaction is "But they would never do that!""
I see it more as 'eh, so what?' We started so many wars destroyed so many freely elected slightly socialist governments, set up the US PATRIOT act for god's sake ... and the reaction has been ... muted. Or worse, supportive.
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Generic comment on the confusion of what happened and which guns ... there were too many reporters breathlessly reporting rumors as facts b/c that's the business model they follow - they HAVE to get high ratings to make more money on commercial air time - which means they have to be quick and sensational to grab audience attention. Veracity isn't high on the priority list.
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