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Sandy Hook 'truthers' harass Newtown man, conspiracy theories go viral

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Monday, January 21, 2013 4:50 PM

Good one, Sig!

Oh, I have no DOUBT there are those convinced he's gonna try and do away with the Second Amendment, no doubt whatsoever. Some have even said it on TV, like on FauxNews, and it's a common fear motivator by the NRA.

Frem, you're not saying you actually BELIEVE this conspiracy theory, are you? That would just be too much to swallow, it would depress me greatly!



Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Monday, January 21, 2013 7:53 PM


Feh, there *IS* no great-grand-conspiracy, that's where all these folks like PN get it all wrong, along with being confused by their own mental issues.

As I have said, what there is... is a thousand little petty ones all jumbled in with office politics, ass covering, blamestorming and fingerpointing, all tripping over each other and sabotaging each other and half the time the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing anyway, and thanks be for that, or they'd run us over in no time flat.

But like crabs marching in lockstep across a beach cause their cognition is so limited they all react the same way to identical stimulus, those in power APPEAR to act in concert, not because they are but rather that the drives they share unite them, avarice, ambition, feelings of superiority, and by weight of numbers amplified by the immense amount of power placed in their hands by damn fools willing to obey their orders, all too often despite their absolute incompetence they manage to accomplish their goals anyway in the socio-political form of a brute force attack.

That the bastards of this world, too many of which are in positions of power, are CAPABLE of atrocities beyond imagining is not in doubt, worth remembering I came pretty close to being sucked into helping commit them at one time, and happen to be more familar than I'd like about the mindset that creates them - what I think is no longer as possible, and certainly not as easy, is for them to get away with it unchallenged, not only has public consciousness expanded and skepticism become more common, there's just too many lines of communication for them to keep real secrets from folk hell bent on knowing - the truth, or at least enough of it, ALWAYS comes out, somebody ALWAYS talks, even and especially if they ain't supposed to, not to mention suppressing information once it's gotten loose is IMPOSSIBLE.

Cases in point: The additional devices recovered from within the federal building in Oklahoma, and the radio traffic logs they missed in their purge, or Scoop Jacksons plot to stage a coup in all but name - which was later adapted by the Neocons, who had those files retroactively classified to cover their ass... but you cannot take BACK information once someone has it, and despite all efforts to the contrary the internet remains a bastion of information freedom.

So instead of suiciding a couple people and burning some paper, in this era once info "gets loose", it can travel the WORLD in seconds, become archived in a thousand places in less than half an hour - how do they stop that ?
They can't.
This has provided a serious check against such things, in my opinion, cause now the internet has become the all-seeing-eye of Sauron to them, so the depth of depravity to which they'll stoop has waned a little, moving them to try doing this stuff in the open behind layers of legal justifications (Gitmo, Torture, Drone strikes) and we shouldn't tolerate that any more than we would have when it was done in secret.

But given the things that HAVE been done, that ARE being done, it bothers me that so many peoples default reaction is "But they would never do that!" even when the evidence is clear that they have, they are - the same *kind* of denial rightwingnuts suffer from, giant psychological blind spots, which are ruthlessly exploited by the powers-that-be.
I think that is in it's own way as much a problem as PN's ranting, moreso because it's not so OBVIOUSLY detrimental.

It didn't take a massive conspiracy to start some serious bullshit over the tragedy at Sandy Hook, all it took was one lie - a lie that the media doubled down on initially cause it got them attention, viewers, money, by yanking the knee-jerk chain - a lie not told with an agenda beyond greed and sensationalism, but a lie all the same.
That lie being that Lanza used an "Assault Rifle" in his act of madness, when it fact it remained on the back seat of the vehicle, originally tossed out for no bette

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:09 AM



FEMA School Shooting Drill L-366 near Sandy Hook at same time as the alleged shootings, CrisisActors.org performs realistic mass shootings in schools and shopping malls
http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CAC9C6C9CD83
CDC9C7

http://www.ctemscouncils.org/downloads/FEMAL366.pdf



Social Security Death Index says Adam Lanza died one day before alleged shootings at Sandy hook
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/ssdi-death-index-sandy-ho
ok-shooter-adam-lanza-died-one-day-before-school-massacre-2-2541900.html




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Active Shooter Crisis Actors Target Mall Shootings via Visionbox


Active Shooter Crisis Actors Target Mall Shootings via Visionbox

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The actors regularly rehearse scenarios involving the Incident Command System and crisis communications, and appear in interactive training films produced in both 2D and stereoscopic 3D.

Producers Jennifer McCray Rincon and John Simmons formed the group to demonstrate emerging security technologies, help first responders visualize life-saving procedures, and assist trainers in delivering superior hands-on crisis response training.

For example, with a large shopping center, the producers review all security camera views and design dramatic scenes specifically for existing camera angles, robotic camera sweeps, and manually-controlled camera moves.

The producers then work with the trainers to create a "prompt book" for the actors so that key scenario developments can be triggered throughout the mall shooting simulation, and caught on tape.

The actors can play the part of the shooters, mall employees, shoppers in the mall, shoppers who continue to arrive at the mall, media reporters and others rushing to the mall, and persons in motor vehicles around the mall.

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6 Completely Legal Ways The Cops Can Screw You (includes lots of lying)
www.cracked.com/article_18620_6-completely-legal-ways-cops-can-screw-y
ou.html


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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:45 AM


Shooter drill at Rose Pre School in Sandy Hook faked by CNN as live at Sandy Hook Elementary

The shite is gettign very deep now, thanks to NSA Google's spysats. CT governor confessed on TV to Obama paying him millions of dollars to run the Sandy Hook gun-grab payop codenamed PROJECT LONGEVITY, that the actual "shooting" was a drill at a nearby school according to live video on CNN professing to be the "Sandy Hook shooting":
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2013/01/20/update-sandy-hook-smoking-gun-
revealed-factions-of-government-law-enforcement-and-mainstream-media-including-anderson-cooper-engaged-in-treason-against-the-united-states-and-its-citizens
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Sandy Hook elementary (note painted lines on crosswalk)


Rose Pre School in Sandy Hook (note painted lines on crosswalk)

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Unfortunately that's too close to home for any kinda comfort - what started it in this case was them very deliberately lying to create the impression that Lanza used an "Assault Rifle", when in truth it was left in the back seat of the vehicle, and this without a doubt provoked the conspiracy theorists, as did the admittedly suspicious timing of it after an earlier mass shooting attempt FAILED, due to said "Assault Rifle" malfunctioning, an armed civvie present, and a security response that for once did the job completely right.



Also interesting that the video I've seen of cops finding a long gun in the trunk of a car does NOT show a Bushmaster. The officer clearing the weapon is pulling a charging handle on the right side of the receiver, where it'd be on an AK clone, whereas the charging handle on a Bushmaster, or any M-16 clone is at the back of the receiver.




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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

Also interesting that the video I've seen of cops finding a long gun in the trunk of a car does NOT show a Bushmaster. The officer clearing the weapon is pulling a charging handle on the right side of the receiver, where it'd be on an AK clone, whereas the charging handle on a Bushmaster, or any M-16 clone is at the back of the receiver.




So, there was more than 1 " assault weapon " ? Or are we being told that there was just the one, and some how it was used in the school, magically appeared in the trunk, after the shooter was killed, and that some how it's not the gun we were all told it was in the first place ?




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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:15 PM

Raptor makes a good point; if it was taken out of the trunk, how did it get there if the shooter was using it, then died? His ghost walked it back to the trunk?

What I heard was that he had two guns WITH him, an assault rifle and something else...dunno what tha video about pulling something out of a trunk has to do with that.

And I'd like to hear an explanation of how so many children could have been shot MULTIPLE TIMES in the time allotted if it wasn't a semi-auto...one of the children was shot eleven times...20 children shot multiple times in the short time he was shooting? On top, of course, of how many adults he shot as well...?

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:38 PM

The medical examiner identifies the injuries from a "long rifle". The AR is the only thing the shooter had that fits that. Second the shear number of rounds suggests the rifle and it's larger capacity mag. Third, it make no sense that the shooter would take the AR-15 to the school and than not use it.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:01 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
...it make no sense that the shooter would take the AR-15 to the school and than not use it.

Crazy 20 year old kills 20 kindergarteners and 6 adults and we're ruling out things he might have done because they make "no sense?"

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Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:32 PM

The shooter had the wherewithal to destroy his computer and do other things in preparing for this shooting, including taking that AR-15 with him. So he may have been crazy, but he was not that crazy.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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