Gender and Violence and Blame
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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 20:14
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HKC- I'm all kinds of confused about your confusion. I am not at all talking about censoring television media, I'm talking about the medium itself, not the content. I simply want to move the content to a medium that is less easily controlled from a central point. Decentralized distribution. Also, I wrote about keeping the internet free so that it could not be controlled in the future.
Seems a simple concept. Get it?
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Wull, I guess the question is: how ya gonna do that without censorship and oppression? How ya gonna outlaw tv without outlawing tv? And, by the way, the content IS moving to a medium that is less easily controlled! What you desire to happen IS PRECISELY what's happening!
Anthony has, as far as I can tell, objected not to your goals but to your methods (trouble arises, because to an Anarchist/libertarian the methods of oppression are generally understood to BE the goals of oppression--the pretext for the oppression being secondary, changeable). This is always the problem, it seems. How are we gonna reach a better world? By the same means that landed us here in the first place? By blaming and violating an enemy? By treating the bad guys the way they've treated us? That's just a vicious cycle, Signy.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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First of all... the internet.
It CAN be controlled. In fact, it IS controlled and governments and corporations are moving forward to control it even further. The internet needs to be placed squarely in the legal realm of a vital public service.
Oh crap, I'm out of time.
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To my understanding--correct me if I'm wrong--internet control is always limited by political boundaries, by government's control of physical hardware, and political boundaries mean very little to wifi. If government takes control of your device, get a new device--you can prolly buy one over the internet! 
As long as we avoid one world government, there will always be a free internet. And no government, even the one world variety, can control technology when technology is getting cheaper and more available my the minute.
Signy, your thinking on this really seems to be trapped in the 20th Century. The Age of Dictators is over. Big Brother may still have a whole lot of fight left in him, but he's lost the war.
Sorry you ran out of time. Thanks for continuing the conversation when you can.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:Tell that to the victims of drone attacks.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
The Age of Dictators is over. Big Brother may still have a whole lot of fight left in him, but he's lost the war.
Sorry HK, but I see things getting a bit worse before they get substantively better...
Oh crap. My computer tells me this thread's been red flagged.
SEE!!!?!?!??
Re-routing to tertiary diverting IP
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Chris. You and Signy with your "Stop thinking because people are dying!" argument changes nothing. I never said that because dictatorship is a moribund social institution all war and all oppression will end. I was saying that no one is gonna do away with the internet!
And, okay, so people are dying from drone attacks. What's your solution? That's what pisses me off about the "people are dying!" argument. People are always dying. What does that have to do with the ACTUAL DISCUSSION at hand?
Cynicism is the easiest, most disempowered worldview, man. It helps no one. Try a little optimism, try to find meaning and progress in the world and help it along and you might live a little longer.
I'm sorry, Chris, it's just this whole "PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!" thing is so facile and so condescending and so completely designed to shut down the conversation.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Frem long post, can't say I understood it all, but I am having a crack at replying anyway. Scusi if I misrepresent your argument.
I was in near violent disagreement with you, until this bit -
"Bear in mind here than when I use the words self-defense and resistance I am not limiting that to any particular option (unlike some pinheads which oughta know better) but rather encompassing an entire RANGE of them, from a simple words like "No!" to negotiation, psychological manipulation, exploitation of perceived authority, running like hell (always a good option), anything and everything which could possibly throw a monkeywrench in the plans of an aggressor - and yes sadly that does in extremis include the option of blowing a hole in them, but it's a damned poor solution to most problems due to a combination of both the vilification and the outright stupidity of some who resort to it. "
I guess then you and I agree on the kinds of actions that can be taken, but I don't know if I see your conspiracy to respress. More I see a mindset that includes a lot of people here on these boards - that you meet violence with more violence, that we should all be poised ready and alert for danger, hand on the trigger.
I'd hope that for most of us in our lives we don't have that many instances of being under threat. I can only assume that some of us live in places that are more dangerous than other.
I believe almost the exact opposite to you. Rather than being prevented from defending ourselves, we are programmed to live in fear. fear is a great distractor, especially if we point the finger at the *other* as being the cause of our fear.
It's the Muslims, Soviets, Socialists, Black People, Yellow People, illegal immigrants........
Our fear makes us stupid, do stupid things. Get involved in stupid wars and commit acts of atrocity in the name of freedom. It makes us cling to outdated ideas - ie that personally owning a gun will somehow make a government accountable????? It makes us jingoistic and narrow minded.
I have seen politicans and corpotations use fear. it's the main tool of admen, preying, playing up our fear of failure, of death, being unlovable.
I think we can defend ourselves okay. I just think we live like prey herds on a prairie, all primed up and ready for a bigcat strike, when really we are nobodies prey.
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It's the Muslims, Soviets, Socialists, Black People, Yellow People, illegal immigrants........
Our fear makes us stupid, do stupid things. Get involved in stupid wars and commit acts of atrocity in the name of freedom. It makes us cling to outdated ideas - ie that personally owning a gun will somehow make a government accountable????? It makes us jingoistic and narrow minded.
You might notice that those here you are addressing, who are against gun control, are also very against fearmongering, nationalistic stupidity, and equally brainless wars.
Your jingoism applies to some of them. Not all of them.
Fingerpointing fearmongering is bad. Fear itself lets you know something is wrong, deep down in that place few of us venture in our waking hours. It's not paranoia - if you're right.
If you do not have reason to fear, then you may well feel fortune that you live in a comforting and free society. Some of us do not have that option.
You do not tell us what we should feel. Just as I do not tell you.
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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:Quote:
It's the Muslims, Soviets, Socialists, Black People, Yellow People, illegal immigrants........
Our fear makes us stupid, do stupid things. Get involved in stupid wars and commit acts of atrocity in the name of freedom. It makes us cling to outdated ideas - ie that personally owning a gun will somehow make a government accountable????? It makes us jingoistic and narrow minded.
You might notice that those here you are addressing, who are against gun control, are also very against fearmongering, nationalistic stupidity, and equally brainless wars.
Your jingoism applies to some of them. Not all of them.
Fingerpointing fearmongering is bad. Fear itself lets you know something is wrong, deep down in that place few of us venture in our waking hours. It's not paranoia - if you're right.
If you do not have reason to fear, then you may well feel fortune that you live in a comforting and free society. Some of us do not have that option.
You do not tell us what we should feel. Just as I do not tell you.
I used the term 'we', you'll find. Not fingerpointing, but discussing what I see as being a prevalent tactic of government and corporations (and organisations such as the NRA) to distract us from the real issues.
I can give you an example from where I live. Boat people. Much as you have issues with illegal immigrants, we have them with boat people arriving from various warpits of the world.
The amount of fear generated by politicans, one in particular that will mean nothing to anyone here, to distract from a whole range of more relevant issues. They've equated these boats as being an invasion force, of the people smugglers as being the worst human beings in the whole world. When frankly, its a non issue. The world is in part a crappy place, people will try to flee. Some people will pose as asylum seekers and not be genuine. But it makes little difference to me whether they arrive or not, and they will as long as the world is full of inequality. But I can;t tell you how much media space, how much parliament space is taken up with this subject.
So I think we have to question our fear to see whether it is based in any likely reality. Because while we live in fear our brains don't funtion to their full cognitive level and there are those who choose to take advantage of that.
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And I am trying to politely hint that while false fears created by propaganda exist, there are also other fears with a more solid basis.
Don't be so quick to dismiss fear. It's part of being human. We wouldn't have survived nearly this long as a species without it.
Unless, as part of this lesson you are attempting to teach us, you are prepared to abandon fears about global warming. Perhaps you believe our species might survive without that fear?
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