Gender and Violence and Blame
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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 20:14
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TONY- Funny thing is, I never said that the same programming couldn't be produced and consumed via internet, so basically you're upset because you want your product delivered via cable? Is that the "freedom" that you're insisting on? Cable (and broadcast) media?
Hello,
And if so, so what? Why on Earth should anyone let you decide how they wish to receive their programming?
I can ban television and cable from my life any time I want by pressing a switch. Why should I surrender my ability to choose because you want it that way?
And of course every single thing you decide to subtract, you will tell me it shouldn't be important to me anyway. Well, I'm sorry. I decide what I want and what's important. If I don't want television, I'll decide when to flip the switch.
I'm not interested in you banning anything on my behalf. I'm not interested in giving you my remote control and letting you choose how I'm allowed to consume my entertainment.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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There are societies today in which violence just doesn't occur
Hello,
Call me cynical, but there is bound to be some level of aberration in any sampling of sufficient size. A society where nobody is ever violent seems rather unlikely.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:Hey Frem,
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
While I have no explicit beef with the notion of a matriarchal society, it does concern me that once again that seems a method of changing which hand holds the leash, rather than cutting it entire, and thus as an Anarchist I must reject it as a solution.
I think the term "matriarchal" is itself corrupted by a patriarchal bias. More responsible sources I've read use words like "matrilinial" or "pre/post-patriarchal" or "partnership culture."
Patriarchy, as has been alluded to in the discussion of marriage above, comes bundled with a whole raft of concepts that are simply foreign to a pre-patriarchal consciousness. The concept of "ownership" is a patriarchal invention, wholly unnecessary outside its sphere of influence. The Native American matrilinial bias against ownership and against heirarchy, against the concept of linear time itself, persist even today in Native communities. Even after the Catholic Church's cultural genocide, these pre-patriarchal biases persist in their humor and their family structure.
So, pre/post-patriarchal, partnership culture is a cultural context without a "leash." Now watch the patriarchal bias rush in and call what I'm saying impossible.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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TONY
Quote:You asked me what I thought should be done and then when I told you you suddenly became wildly defensive. I offered you my opinion; I can't imagine why a simple opinion should be so threatening.
And if so, so what? Why on Earth should anyone let you decide how they wish to receive their programming?
I can ban television and cable from my life any time I want by pressing a switch. Why should I surrender my ability to choose because you want it that way?
And of course every single thing you decide to subtract, you will tell me it shouldn't be important to me anyway. Well, I'm sorry. I decide what I want and what's important. If I don't want television, I'll decide when to flip the switch.
I'm not interested in you banning anything on my behalf. I'm not interested in giving you my remote control and letting you choose how I'm allowed to consume my entertainment.
It seems like "cable TV" is essential to your definition of freedom, like "guns". What's next on your essential list? Beer?
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I agree with Frem's basic premise, self defense is penalized by our legal system. Sure you have the right ... on paper, but when it actually happens its almost not worth trying, after years of legal red tape and confusion, you start wishing that bad guy had just ended it for you, because you're worn out. Not to mention that they interrogate you and try to get you to change your story, which is actually quite easy, it doesn't even necessarily take waterboarding etc.
Signe, I saw some amazing shows last night on PBS, learnt about Icelandic volcanoes and ancient India, and I only pressed one little button. I think if you're taking away regular TV you have to come over every time I want to find something good to watch and help me get it all set up. That will change your mind I reckon.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
TONYQuote:You asked me what I thought should be done and then when I told you you suddenly became wildly defensive. I offered you my opinion; I can't imagine why a simple opinion should be so threatening.
And if so, so what? Why on Earth should anyone let you decide how they wish to receive their programming?
I can ban television and cable from my life any time I want by pressing a switch. Why should I surrender my ability to choose because you want it that way?
And of course every single thing you decide to subtract, you will tell me it shouldn't be important to me anyway. Well, I'm sorry. I decide what I want and what's important. If I don't want television, I'll decide when to flip the switch.
I'm not interested in you banning anything on my behalf. I'm not interested in giving you my remote control and letting you choose how I'm allowed to consume my entertainment.
It seems like "cable TV" is essential to your definition of freedom, like "guns". What's next on your essential list? Beer?
Hello Signy,
Forgive me for saying so, but sometimes I feel that you are utterly incapable of envisioning freedom from any vantage but your own.
Yes, beer. I don't drink beer. Vile stuff. And it is essential to my view of freedom. Because I think people should have the right to drink beer. And smoke, too. I am not into telling people what they should be allowed to do with themselves. That's for them to decide. Taking away those choices is the opposite of freedom.
So yeah, your opinion is Terrible, and it makes me alarmed to think that there are people in the world who might have such an opinion, and might try to shape the world based on it. I will generally recoil and speak my disgust whenever people express such an opinion, and in so doing, I shall be expressing my opinion that their opinion stinks.
--Anthony
Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:TONY I said nothing about banning your favorite cable TV shows, did I? (Or banning beer, for that matter.) In fact, I said just the opposite, more than once. So why are you so afraid of losing centralized media?
So yeah, your opinion is Terrible, and it makes me alarmed to think that there are people in the world who might have such an opinion, and might try to shape the world based on it. I will generally recoil and speak my disgust whenever people express such an opinion, and in so doing, I shall be expressing my opinion that their opinion stinks.
The ability to speak your mind freely to all of your fellow netizens and to hear them do the same, to put whatever product you want "out there" whether it be classes, music, or even paid programing like your favorite cable shows somehow just doesn't match up to your "right" to get cable programming?
The only "right" that you seem to recognize is your "right" to buy corporate product, which seems to be more in the front of your brain than your right to work, your right to think freely, your ability to communicate widely and without fetters, your right to privacy, and your right to decide (along with your fellow citizens) the future of your society in broad scope.
And, if I may be so bold, I think a lot of people feel this way. That's because we live in an economy where we are presented with a million irrelevant choices, but the inability to affect anything real. As I have said before in other threads.... toilet paper: single ply, or two? Quilted or plain? With "wet strength" or regular? 12-pack, or 4-pack? Recycled or virgin?
Dolphins or Steelers? Lakers or Spurs?
Light, dark, or regular?
ESPN, SYFY, or HBOZ?
WoW or Grand Theft Auto?
Detective show, or reality show, or classic movie?
Guns or mixed martial arts?
A million totally effectless choices and no way at all to reduce unemployment except by "hoping" that TPTB will be "generous", no way to deflate the monster that has become Homeland Security/ NSA/ Google/ Microsoft/ Apple/ AT&T/ Verizon. (Yes, they do work together.), no way to require actual cybersecurity but having to put up with constant government intrusion, no way to reverse environmental damage, no way to improve our schools, or reduce violence.
So here we are: Constantly courted by advertisers... thousands of wares laid out for our consideration from around the world ... this necklace or that toothbrush or the Presidential candidate over there? ... and (if you have money) the ability to shape "the market" in a million irrelevant ways AS CONSUMERS ... but by god, nothing else. No right to privacy from either corporations or the government, no right to demonstrate on the street and - more importantly- no ability to get the message out to the media anywhere near as frequently as Budweiser gets out its beer commercials. Football teams and toilet paper and cable TV shows and factory-farmed food seems to be our realm.
It's the narrative that we are told over and over again.... look here, these are your choices.... and it's so damn rewarding... until it becomes our tiny world view and we literally cannot see anything else. It's a comfy little prison, isn't it? So, yeah.... here's your remote. Enjoy.
That reminds me of Wallace Shawn in My Dinner With Andre... But I LIKE my cold cup of coffee in the morning!
http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/1178-my-dinner-with-andre-long-
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Call me cynical, but there is bound to be some level of aberration in any sampling of sufficient size. A society where nobody is ever violent seems rather unlikely.
BTW- as far as those matriarchal societies and violence. I did see a show on one of them (the one in western China). Their punishment for transgression is banishment.
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Well, I hope this means that y'all are thinking, and not just royally pissed.
This thread created an epiphany for me, and they don't come along every day. Not even every year. Thank you all for that.
So, back to the topic at hand...?
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Worth re-quoting here in case you missed it, Siggy.
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...those messages only work of folks pre-conditioned to accept them, which is why I consider a strong sense of self, personhood, and critical thinking dire important to bring to our children as soon as they can possibly adapt them - which is, itself, a form of self-defense.
A large part of that myriad of irrelevant choices is because people become trapped by the little boxes in which our society operates, incapable of seeing outside the boundries of the game because they're never even aware those boundries are there.
Which results in them playing the card sharpers game, with his deck, at his table, by his rules - and adding more shells to the shell game doesn't change the fact that the pebble isn't under any of em.
This is one reason I've been skeptical of conventional protesting due to it having become nothing more than a systematic self-destruction, we need to engage other methods if we are to strike at the kneecaps of the powers that be - the web blackout over SOPA/PIPA was a good example of alternative method, and quite effective, although that just means the bastards will try to sneak it onto other bills one provision at a time, you just watch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA
But if there's one thing I learned in my campaign against the Hellcamps, and abuse of youth in general, it's that from a wider aspect nobody much CARES about morals or human rights violations, so when you have a shot...
AIM FOR THE MONEY.
Note once again how those two bastard Judges in PA were tried ONLY on financial charges, no one cared about the lives they destroyed, the damage they caused, the issue that got them crushed was someone not getting their cut!
That's also how we trashed WWASPS, in the end, waging economic warfare on their intake centers (Pathway), cutting them off from Government subsidies (still workin on this with Teen Challenge), and bleeding them white in the courts via the lawsuits of former victims.
This has borne some fruit on another level too, given my passionate hatred for the alphabet-soup crowd and their protection-racket nature, especially since they're a greater threat to us than anything they supposedly protect us against, long and long have I wanted to take a financial chainsaw to them, and we've delivered the first hit already - eight BILLION in budget cuts, yeah, Billion, with a B!
And boy howdy are they pissed about it, right now some of em are climbing the walls in a rabid-foaming how-dare-they frenzy, and if they get stupid about it we'll play the same game we did on a local level here with the Police, and turn that right around as an excuse for MORE cuts.
Not that this is likely to impact them financially in any realistic way since they bulk up their budgets trafficking in drugs and weapons all around the world, but the concept here is very important.
1. Strike at the money.
2. Subvert from within.
On the second, I was re-watching the original 1980's miniseries V, and V: The Final Battle, and one thing I noted was how effective the conscience of those within the system can be - without folks willing to carry out their orders, would-be tyrants are ineffective.
Well, there's this one cop, Randy Talbot, who looks the other way and keeps his mouth shut *several* times, thus aiding the Resistance by inaction, allowing them to smuggle the Maxwells out of town safely, and letting Ruby escape (he actually stifles a laugh, blink and you'll miss it) after she firebombs a Visitor shuttle - and that is of course only the stuff we see cause he's a minor character, but that kind of inaction is well worth appealing to... you won't influence the leaders and would-be tyrants, they're sociopaths, but the poor bastards working for them are a definately exploitable group.
And that's all I'll say to it at the moment.
-Frem
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Hey Signy,
I'm all kinds of confused by your argument with Anthony in this thread. I just can't believe that you really don't understand his objection to your idea of censoring all television media.
To me, it's like this: let's say Anthony's got a daughter and she's dating a drug addict. It's bad for everybody. And you come along and murder the drug addict boyfriend and wonder why Anthony isn't greatful. Because murder is wrong, Signy. Even if it eliminates a bad influence in our lives, murder is not an acceptable solution.
Same with censorship. Even if everything you're censoring is "bad," the concept alone is offensive. Fighting oppression with counter-oppression. But I already talked to you about this fighting fire with fire concept and you had nothing to say about that but to question one word in my post. Envy. You implied that it wasn't about envy but about all the people dying because of oppression. Well, I see envy here as well--once again, you envy TPTB their power and you want it for yourself. Specifically, you envy their power to oppress and you want to oppress them right back. Where I see the whole notion of winning through oppression as fucked. Yes, people are dying from oppression, but I fail to see how shutting down all the tvs is gonna solve that.
And the grand irony in this is that broadcast televion as we know it IS DYING. In another generation--hell, another 10 years--no one will be watching that shit. But then what? We already have corportate commercials attatched to every movie we see in the theaters. So, you gonna shut down the theaters as well? I think they tried that in 16th Century England and it didn't work out so well.
In your desire to purge society (Purge? Where have we heard that word before?) of bad tv you WILL end up oppressing folks that didn't do anything to anyone. There will be collateral damage. That's how oppression works. And that's why folks of good conscience avoid it.
I'm sorry if I've totally misunderstood what you're advocating but in that case I totally musunderstand what you're advocating!
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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