Guns, Guns, Guns.
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And next month anybody with 20 grand and a hankerin for the latest gizmoz who haz never fired a gun in their life will be able to hit the bullz eye at that distance on their 1st shot.
fàng pì. That's like that argument that video games are turning kids into killers. No matter how much you see guns used on television or how detailed the Call of Duty games get, most people who've never fired a gun are unaware of a number of things they have to compensate for - many of 'em will have a hard time even finding the safety unless they actually HAD prior experience with a gun.
And even if your example about hitting one big guy at 1000 yards first time shooting a gun with anything but hard to obtain exorbitantly expensive or military gear were possible... even if a first timer got one shot off - ONE - that made the target... all forty nine other people would scatter and you'd be hard pressed to find a first time shooter who can accurately hit moving targets even with a scope. And that's considering they'd have to aim each time because they wouldn't yet know how to compensate for the kick back to line up a shot one after the other.
In short, no way, no matter what some high fallutin' businessman looking for a buck tries to flimflam you with.
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Hello,
I suspect the fellow attributes nearly supernatural qualities to the technology, not realizing that even very sophisticated technology benefits from a person well skilled in its use.
--Anthony
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Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Quote:Ask everyone to laugh hysterically while maintaining a straight face. Insane people cannot do this at will. The people who aren't insane but cannot do it would be easily identified with a few questions.
Originally posted by Geezer:
So to me the treatment option, even if sometimes involuntary, seems a less bad solution.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
There is nothing magical about an AR-15. It is functionally identical to any semiautomatic rifle. So I am left to conclude that your issue is either with A) appearance, B) magazine capacity, or C) the semiautomatic action itself.
Which is it?
Saying an AR-15 is functionally identical to any semiautomatic rifle is like saying a .50 caliber bold actions sniper rifle is the functionally identical to a .22 bolt action.
The overall design, with would include its magazine capacity, of an AR-15 or a semi-auto AK is to make it better in combat. They are light weight, low recoil, compact design weapons that have quickly targeting multiple individuals in mind. There is a reason that militaries use rifles with these design feathers in combat.
It does not take much to see the difference in these two weapons...
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This is a Ruger Mini-14, caliber .223. It is a popular hunting and sports
rifle. It has a 5 round magazine and a wooden stock:
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This is a Ruger Mini-14, caliber .223. It is a popular hunting and sports
rifle. It has a 5 round magazine and a synthetic stock. This one is shown
with attachable scope rings so that the hunter or sportsman can employ a
telescopic sight.
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This is a Ruger Mini-14, caliber .223. It is a popular hunting and sports
rifle. It has a 20-30 round magazine, wooden stock, and telescopic
sight. It has a flash suppressor.
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This is a Ruger Mini-14, caliber .223. It is a popular hunting and sports
rifle. It has a 20 round magazine and a synthetic folding stock.
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This is a Ruger Mini-14, caliber .223. It is a popular hunting and sports
rifle. It has a 100 round drum magazine.
http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4603737628672978&pid=1.7
You may notice that all of these examples start with the words, "This is a
Ruger Mini-14."
A semiautomatic hunting and sports rifle reconfigured by various owners.
In practice, matches every capability of an AR-15 rifle. (Possibly more
reliable, depending on who you ask.)
--Anthony
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Okay, and....
Do you need a 20 round mag for hunting, no. You also don't need it for home protection. You also don't need a folding stock or a pistol grip to hunt. The exceptions might be for someone that is disabled a pistal grip might be needed.
See all that can go into regulations very easily.
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This is a real gun....
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Okay, and....
Do you need a 20 round mag for hunting, no. You also don't need it for home protection. You also don't need a folding stock or a pistol grip to hunt. The exceptions might be for someone that is disabled a pistal grip might be needed.
See all that can go into regulations very easily.
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Hello,
All of that DID go into regulations. The Assault Weapons ban, as previously mentioned, did not ban assault weapons. It regulated magazine size, style of stock, and attached accessories. It also banned some weapons that had a scary appearance or bad reputation, but which would not otherwise have been prohibited. Not being a retroactive ban, it didn't actually remove any of this stuff from circulation. It simply prevented additional such items from being manufactured or imported.
So, we're not talking about assault weapons. We are talking about banning various attachments and options on regular semiautomatic rifles.
So far, you list:
A) Banning pistol grips, which make shooting much more comfortable.
B) Banning folding stocks, which make rifles easier to stow.
C) Banning large magazines. (Shall we say a 10 bullet limit?)
Presumably you do not intend to outlaw semiautomatic weapons outright.
Are your new regulations proposed to be retroactive or will existing articles be grandfathered in?
Do you imagine any exceptions for Americans who can prove that they have completed a proficiency and safety course related to the weapons, or do you see such weapons as unnecessary, period?
--Anthony
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Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is a real gun....
Hello,
One of my favorite fantasy weapons from sci-fi. :-)
--Anthony
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Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
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“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz
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Wow. I go away for a day and look what happens! I, too, see a whole lot of talking past one another and of getting sidetracked, and misunderstanding, and taking things wrongly, etc., etc. It's sad this has devolved into something which has caused such animosity between people who normally like one another. Not too surprising, I guess, given the entire nation has been hit hard by Sandy Hook, while the gun lovers are afraid of what the result might be. By the way, gun purchases have spiked massively since Friday, and sales of the gun the shooter used are through the roof--to the point where many gun shops can't keep them in stock. Of course, Walmart hasn't yet run out...still shocks me that GUNS are sold at Walmart!
So I'm catching up, waaaaay into the discussion. Bear with me
I was going to clarify that Anthony's statement about voting laws, as I saw it, was a way of saying "THEY SAID it wasn't disenfranchising anyone"--his way of comparing it to gun laws and saying "THEY SAY they won't take away our guns". But Kiki's remarks brought me up short: Yes, there IS no comparison. The idea that anyone SAYS they won't do this or that, then they do it, is somewhat of a valid point. But comparing voter ID laws to gun restrictions is a totally false comparison, I agree.Quote:
He's setting up a false equivalency as a premise. It's a non-starter.
Exactly.
Mal4 has stated the same thing I've been trying to say all along:Quote:
it seems clear to me that Anthony is terribly afraid of losing his basic rights - which really are in no danger - that any kind of discussion of gun control, much less a *compromise* is impossible.
I would remove the word "basic", myself; it has seemed to me many times that Anthony fears losing ANY of his "rights", even the tiniest one, and that any discussion of restriction of rights takes him immediately to a "10", and he will find reasons, rationalizations, comparisons forever to keep making the same point over and over: "Nobody should be allowed to take away ANY of my rights." I understand some of this comes from his background, but the absolutism defeated me long ago, and I think any effort to get through to him on such things is doomed to failure. He will argue forever. He has said in the past, if anyone remember, that he thinks citizens should have the rights to tanks, and about anything else--tho' here he seems to have modified that stance. The ONLY point I've seen him willing to give on is that he's willing to have his gun ownership restricted--to exactly the same as the police's rights are restricted. That's another discussion I won't get into. I'm surprised to see you agree to outlaw magazines exceeding 10 rounds, Anthony; I may be mistaken in that it wasn't you but was others here who felt otherwise and debated the usefulness of high-quantity clips/magazines/whatever.
That Anthony believed his comparison was valid:Quote:
it wasn't a 'joke' so much as a way of comparing two situations by placing the other person in my shoes.
should be telling. There is no such comparison. I don't know why he can't see that, but all I can figure is it comes back to the same thing: Quote:
what I see when someone talks about whittling away my rights with a few common sense restrictions.
Voting RIGHTS equate to gun RIGHTS to him. It's about rights; he can't see beyond that and he can't see the horrible LACK of comparison.
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assault rifles currently have restrictions that make them both difficult and time consuming to obtain while being cost prohibitive.
causes me to ask: What do you mean by "assault rifle"? That's what many call the AR-15 used in Sandy Hook, as well as the movie-theater shooting, and is what I believe most people consider an "assault rifle". Ma
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